Non Footy Chat Thread

[Avenger]

no - it means the christian faith in general is going - well that was all a bit f**ked up, we won't stick with that anymore, lets go down this path instead

I'm no religious person - probably an atheist if anything, but I think its pretty clear the "christian" religions are fairly progressive compared to alot of other religions - it takes a while but they are constantly changing their ways

Well said, Strides.

 

[strider]

I think what most people are saying is that, of the many many thousands of refugees coming out of the middle east, there are probably a few hundred who will play a part in reeking havoc elsewhere - either directly themselves or by influencing others - others who are going to be in a bit of state emotionally and might be fairly easily influenced

so basically there's a risk there .... in the short to medium term these few hundred will lead to many hundred or a few thousound deaths wherever they end up .... are you prepared to take the risk? - I think many/most say they are, but the day when it kills people close to them they might reconsider

agree that the west (mainly the USA) has/is cause of all sorts of shit around the world - and all that is doing is breeding hatred of the west ..... should stop that, but the world is still very much dependent on oil and I don't see the west stepping away any time soon

 

[Gary Gutful]

To those arguing that assimilation shouldn't have occurred, do you think the world would be a safer place if all western countries had historically taken that view?

If so, why?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Even Western atheism is crypto-Christianity. Western values didn't emerge in a vacuum; they came from Christianity. Individualism and personal freedom are Western values, distinct from Eastern atheist values.

 

[strider]

To those arguing that assimilation shouldn't have occurred, do you think the world would be a safer place if all western countries had historically taken that view?

If so, why?

I actually think that word "assimilation" is the difference between say 40-50+ years ago and current day .... well in terms of australia anyway

people say those coming now will just settle into australia the same as back then - it just takes time ... I don't agree

australia's immigration back then was based on "assimilation" .... people came here willingly accepting they will change their ways a fair bit - ffs, people were even taking on aussie names in an attempt to fit in - it shows their willingness to want to fit in for their life to progress in australia .... that doesn't mean they dropped everything they ever believed

but things seem vastly different now .... maybe through sheer numbers? ..... laid back australia is going bye bye - i think alot of the reasons we used to call ourselves "lucky" are fading

 

[yy_cheng]

I still blame ghenghis dying and all his sons attacking other regions all rushed home

 

[yy_cheng]

I miss read this

23 I am fading away like SANDOW at the end of the day; I am shaken off like a locust

 

[bartman]

Rather unfortunate that Mr Holoway got it wrong there as the Scotish press and the ABC this morning both reported that 2 of the 7 terrorists were actually refugees from Syria that were recruited by ISIS French nationalists. They had only been in the country less than 2 months.

Wrong? The point stands... the intake of refugees is not the primary issue here.

The point should be rather obvious to most, being the fact that these 2 were not people that they were fleeing from.

But the chaos and vulnerability in the countries where ISIL is flourishing, is what causes the succeptibility for people to take extreme measures - or in this case, be recruited to do so by Frnech nationals?

Again, the issue is not with France taking in refugees, or with people from any particular religion in general. (As simplistic as some would like it to be.)

The issue is more the chaos and conditions in the countries people are trying to seek refuge from - and our (the West's) continuing conribution to that chaos and conditions, via our military presence and action. Remembrance day indeed.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I actually think that word "assimilation" is the difference between say 40-50+ years ago and current day .... well in terms of australia anyway

people say those coming now will just settle into australia the same as back then - it just takes time ... I don't agree

australia's immigration back then was based on "assimilation" .... people came here willingly accepting they will change their ways a fair bit - ffs, people were even taking on aussie names in an attempt to fit in - it shows their willingness to want to fit in for their life to progress in australia .... that doesn't mean they dropped everything they ever believed

but things seem vastly different now .... maybe through sheer numbers? ..... laid back australia is going bye bye - i think alot of the reasons we used to call ourselves "lucky" are fading

So is that a yes or a no?

 

[bartman]

So what's your point?

This clearly wasn't organised by refugees.

This is a major international organisation.

They are recruiting from every ethnic group in all countries.

They aren't representative of all of Islam.

The type of thinking that people like hj and ram and Pauline Hanson are demonstrating in response to this is incredibly dangerous. It's also extremely ignorant and based on a series of dangerous generalisations.

If that takes over the real damage will be done.

I think these actions may end up being massively counterproductive to IS. It's tipped too far from shock value and publicity and become too indiscriminate and it is producing enormous solidarity in response. That will be their undoing - not divisiveness, blame, bigotry, and politicising. That will be our undoing.

Fantastic post BF, well said.

 

[strider]

So is that a yes or a no?

i don't remember the question :lol:

i think my point is - no matter how warm n fuzzy it all might be to think we are all the same, there are ingrained differences that can always bubble to the surface for some .... mixing is fine, as long as people are flexible about it - you go somewhere else, you need to fit in to a fair extent .... that isn't how people are doing it these days

 

[Avenger]

Before this happened I was planning to visit France and Italy in July, August next year with the family. Now I'm not so sure, especially France. France has had 5 terrorist related incidents during this year alone. My wife is now pushing me to just do New York and Hawaii. (I know the US is in their sights too and we shouldn't change our life just because of their shit). What would you guys do?

I'm thinking of just doing Italy. Portofino, Cinque Terre, Tuscany, Lake Como, Rome and maybe Greece.

Thoughts?

 

[bartman]

Just live your life Avenger, don't live in fear.

When your number's up, your number's up. Could be a four car pile-up on the M4, or a shop awning/balcony collapse as you walk under it.

That aside, France next year will probably be one of the safest destinations following all this. Include it with Italy, rather than regret leaving it out. Although swapping Greece into the trip is a pretty cool compromise.

 

[Gary Gutful]

i don't remember the question :lol:

i think my point is - no matter how warm n fuzzy it all might be to think we are all the same, there are ingrained differences that can always bubble to the surface for some .... mixing is fine, as long as people are flexible about it - you go somewhere else, you need to fit in to a fair extent .... that isn't how people are doing it these days

No worries. I get the point that people are making about the challenges with mixing and to be fair you weren't one of the people I was thinking of when I asked the question.

A few people on here have argued that sending Muslims back to their own country is the way to address the issues we are facing. I would like someone who shares that view to explain to me how that would help.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Just live your life Avenger, don't live in fear.

When your number's up, your number's up. Could be a four car pile-up on the M4, or a shop awning/balcony collapse as you walk under it.

That aside, France next year will probably be one of the safest destinations following all this. Include it with Italy, rather than regret leaving it out. Although swapping Greece into the trip is a pretty cool compromise.

Well said.

 

[Twizzle]

To those arguing that assimilation shouldn't have occurred, do you think the world would be a safer place if all western countries had historically taken that view?

If so, why?

well there are the noisy minority on social media although I don't agree with them but in reality this makes it very hard for counties to asses refugees, actually I would say impossible

sometimes shit happens and there is f**k all you can do about it

lucky for the Yanks Donald Trump has the answer, if all the hostages had hand guns this never would have happened

 

[Twizzle]

good move this

Muslims all over the world condemn terrorism, express solidarity with French

http://tribune.com.pk/story/991351/...emn-terrorism-express-solidarity-with-french/

 

[bartman]

Hear hear Twizz.

Another indication that individuals responsible for terroism are extremists and not representative of the religion as a whole.

 

[bartman]

 

[Bigfella]

f**k me pau is really going to blow up now you are posting her photo on here