Non Footy Chat Thread

[Someone]

holly holm ends rouseys record. wow. didnt see it but cant wait to watch the KO on the news.

 

[strider]

holly holm ends rouseys record. wow. didnt see it but cant wait to watch the KO on the news.

was reading a live blog about it ... there is a short video of the KO on here

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/l...e/news-story/624764c8e048ed7222faf3d583e04224

 

[strider]

the same vid on instagram https://instagram.com/p/-GCs7qkv59/

 

[oldmancraigy]

Mate your religion is full of hate as well. It may well be Islams turn ATM, but your religion has a horrific track record.

Read the Quran ? Read the bible



Try your bible..

Estimated number of merkins killed by God in the Bible ? 24,994,828 -- LINK

Some notable gems are..

Worst thing, and perhaps the stupidest thing, I have ever seen you post.
Some 85% of all aid agencies derive from the Christians. The radical Christians don't toot their horn when you push in on them in traffic, they help the poor and care for the weak and sick. Sure, they want to tell you about Jesus, but exactly how many of them run around with guns in France shooting 100s and shouting 'Jesus is Lord' while doing so?

Sure, there are maniacs who claim to be Christian and say God told them to shoot someone (or whatever), but 99% of those cases claim some voice in their head. They do not point to the Bible as their justification, and nor is that regarded by any major strand as a valid way of reading the text.

Sadly the Quran is read via the principle of abrogation, and of the 2 major strands of Islam, 1 claims the holy war way as theirs. Worth noting neither strand embrace western values, and both strands push for sharia law.

I honestly thought you were more intelligent than lambasting Christians as a way of defending Islam? It needs no defence. It is what it is, and I don't like it, nor would ever follow it. As HJ says, many Muslims in Oz are so in name only, and I have many friends who are as Muslim as you are Christian Gronk. I also have friends who are full on about it, and friends who no longer have a country to live in due to acts of Islamic people. Those last group would be mortified at the rhetoric of some here - i wish it was as simple as saying 'lets all just get along', but one group nods at that sentiment while laughing at us behind their hands.

 

[The Phelan Folly]

It'll be interesting if the Nato mutual defence pact kicks in. Putin is also pissed off right now, which makes it even more interesting. Things are gunna get uglier.

 

[Bigfella]

Worst thing, and perhaps the stupidest thing, I have ever seen you post.
Some 85% of all aid agencies derive from the Christians. The radical Christians don't toot their horn when you push in on them in traffic, they help the poor and care for the weak and sick. Sure, they want to tell you about Jesus, but exactly how many of them run around with guns in France shooting 100s and shouting 'Jesus is Lord' while doing so?

Sure, there are maniacs who claim to be Christian and say God told them to shoot someone (or whatever), but 99% of those cases claim some voice in their head. They do not point to the Bible as their justification, and nor is that regarded by any major strand as a valid way of reading the text.

Sadly the Quran is read via the principle of abrogation, and of the 2 major strands of Islam, 1 claims the holy war way as theirs. Worth noting neither strand embrace western values, and both strands push for sharia law.

I honestly thought you were more intelligent than lambasting Christians as a way of defending Islam? It needs no defence. It is what it is, and I don't like it, nor would ever follow it. As HJ says, many Muslims in Oz are so in name only, and I have many friends who are as Muslim as you are Christian Gronk. I also have friends who are full on about it, and friends who no longer have a country to live in due to acts of Islamic people. Those last group would be mortified at the rhetoric of some here - i wish it was as simple as saying 'lets all just get along', but one group nods at that sentiment while laughing at us behind their hands.

But that "one group" is not Islam at large.

It is a criminal organisation. A renegade nation state but one without physical

The religious aspect is a tool they use.

This is not Christianity at war with Islam, or the west at war with the East.

It's the rest of the world against a highly organised and sophisticated cult organisation bent on destruction and chaos.

If we turn it into everyone against Islam we will neglect the real threat, distract ourselves from the real enemy, alienate potential allies and make more people susceptible to their indoctrination.

 

[oldmancraigy]

But that "one group" is not Islam at large.

It is a criminal organisation. A renegade nation state but one without physical

The religious aspect is a tool they use.

This is not Christianity at war with Islam, or the west at war with the East.

It's the rest of the world against a highly organised and sophisticated cult organisation bent on destruction and chaos.

If we turn it into everyone against Islam we will neglect the real threat, distract ourselves from the real enemy, alienate potential allies and make more people susceptible to their indoctrination.

I don't thinmkI am saying amy of that stuff?

Just trying to point out what an (intellectually) bad example he was using..... apply his argument to the Jews and it at least is in some kind of context.

 

[Gronk]

Worst thing, and perhaps the stupidest thing, I have ever seen you post.
Some 85% of all aid agencies derive from the Christians. The radical Christians don't toot their horn when you push in on them in traffic, they help the poor and care for the weak and sick. Sure, they want to tell you about Jesus, but exactly how many of them run around with guns in France shooting 100s and shouting 'Jesus is Lord' while doing so?

Sure, there are maniacs who claim to be Christian and say God told them to shoot someone (or whatever), but 99% of those cases claim some voice in their head. They do not point to the Bible as their justification, and nor is that regarded by any major strand as a valid way of reading the text.

Sadly the Quran is read via the principle of abrogation, and of the 2 major strands of Islam, 1 claims the holy war way as theirs. Worth noting neither strand embrace western values, and both strands push for sharia law.

I honestly thought you were more intelligent than lambasting Christians as a way of defending Islam? It needs no defence. It is what it is, and I don't like it, nor would ever follow it. As HJ says, many Muslims in Oz are so in name only, and I have many friends who are as Muslim as you are Christian Gronk. I also have friends who are full on about it, and friends who no longer have a country to live in due to acts of Islamic people. Those last group would be mortified at the rhetoric of some here - i wish it was as simple as saying 'lets all just get along', but one group nods at that sentiment while laughing at us behind their hands.

I posted instances of death and hate from the bible in response to HJ's my religion is better than yours post.

Im not Christian BTW I am an atheist and think that all religions are hideous organizations who do far more harm than good.

You say that the content of my post was stupid and question my intelligence, yet we're talking about your imaginary friend....

 

[Gronk]

So it didn't happen ? Fiction ?

Gee what a surprise that a religion makes up fear hate and guilt.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I don't have a religion, Gronk. I'm not a Christian.

However, as has been pointed out, Christianity is derived from the New Testament, which is marshmallows and sugar-pops compared to Islam, and the vast majority of charity work comes from Christianity. Christianity is not, in any way, shape or form, a religion of hate.

The point I was making is that the Islam we see in OUR world, full of nice, tolerant people, is false Islam, that has sold away parts of its religion in favour of a peaceful life in a liberal western democracy. Now, for the record, that's my preferred type of Islam, but it's not the Islam that constitutes most of the religion, or at least not the heart of it.

What happened in Paris will not be the last of it. Not even close. It is the future, now, and your self-righteous guilting of anyone who isn't a bleeding heart won't change that. It's people like you who actually make the western world weak and susceptible to such acts.

 

[Gronk]

What a surprise. The xenophobic conservative strikes again.

 

[emjaycee]

What a surprise. The xenophobic conservative strikes again.

Interested in hearing how you think the future looks Gronk.

HJ has outlined his views on the radicalism of Islam and how he believes the modern moslem that has moved into western societies are really very moderate in their Islamic ways and how he believes the fundamentalist moslems will continue their terrorising behaviour in the name of Sharia law and Allah.

You have thrown up 2000+ year old legends of a retributive deity that formed the basis for a moderate, modern Christianity that recognised the violent ways of its earlier teachings were not cool and introduced a more gentle and less-violent doctrine and then called HJ a xenophobe.

What do you think will end the ISIS conflict - victory and Sharia Law dominance throughout the world or will the 'west' prevail?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Please explain.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Interested in hearing how you think the future looks Gronk.

HJ has outlined his views on the radicalism of Islam and how he believes the modern "moslem" that has moved into western societies are really very moderate in their Islamic ways and how he believes the fundamentalist moslems will continue their terrorising behaviour in the name of Sharia law and Allah.

You have thrown up 2000+ year old legends of a retributive deity that formed the basis for a moderate, modern Christianity that recognised the violent ways of its earlier teachings were not cool and introduced a more gentle and less-violent doctrine and then called HJ a xenophobe.

What do you think will end the ISIS conflict - victory and Sharia Law dominance throughout the world or will the 'west' prevail?

Oh and you have also called people Xenophobics,

And he also questioned the intelligence of people who believe in God (ie, 99%+ of humans over the entire course of history), claiming to know himself (for certain) that there is no God.
Never have I seen a convincing proof or case made that God does not exist! If he wants to talk about imaginary friends then he ought to consider his own position...

Gronk: let's get a beer and chat about it after a game next year? Convince me with the rational proof that there is no God.... (might be a side issue to discussions going on here)

 

[Gary Gutful]

I'll convince you now OMC.

If there was a god, we wouldn't have lost the preliminary final against the dogs in 98.

 

[Gronk]

And he also questioned the intelligence of people who believe in God (ie, 99%+ of humans over the entire course of history), claiming to know himself (for certain) that there is no God.
Never have I seen a convincing proof or case made that God does not exist! If he wants to talk about imaginary friends then he ought to consider his own position...

Gronk: let's get a beer and chat about it after a game next year? Convince me with the rational proof that there is no God.... (might be a side issue to discussions going on here)

As Stephen Hawking said: the concept of God is incompatible with science.

A Christian will often rationalize this situation by saying, Just look at the billions of people who believe in Jesus Christ." This strength-in-numbers rationalization may feel comforting, but it is meaningless. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.

It was once the case that most people believed the world to be flat. Widespread belief did not change the fact that the world is a sphere. The scientific and observational evidence that we have available today is undeniable -- the world is a sphere.

All scientific evidence shows that God is imaginary. So does all historical evidence. This leads any rational person to conclude that Christian beliefs are pure mythology. Christianity is just like every other mythology that mankind has dreamed up through the ages.

 

[Gronk]

Interested in hearing how you think the future looks Gronk.

No idea mate. One thing I do know is that "god" won't be stepping in and saving us.

HJ has outlined his views on the radicalism of Islam and how he believes the modern "moslem" that has moved into western societies are really very moderate in their Islamic ways and how he believes the fundamentalist moslems will continue their terrorising behaviour in the name of Sharia law and Allah.

Right wing Muslims are no different to right wing Christians, Catholics , white supremacists etc. The problem with ISIS right now is not unlike other regimes in history. They do not represent Islam or the modern interpretations of the Quran, just as much as Westboro Baptist Church represent mainstream christians.

You have thrown up 2000+ year old legends of a retributive deity that formed the basis for a moderate, modern Christianity that recognised the violent ways of its earlier teachings were not cool and introduced a more gentle and less-violent doctrine and then called HJ a xenophobe.

If you read my post in context, the carnage in the bible post was in response to HJs claim that the Quran promoted hate. I called bullshit as there are literally billions of muslims living a peaceful life and to suggest otherwise is indeed xenophobic.

What do you think will end the ISIS conflict - victory and Sharia Law dominance throughout the world or will the 'west' prevail?

I think it can only be defeated from within. The Arab states need to have the balls to lead a worldwide coalition to defeat these criminals.

 

[Haynzy]

All scientific evidence shows that God is imaginary. So does all historical evidence. This leads any rational person to conclude that Christian beliefs are pure mythology. Christianity is just like every other mythology that mankind has dreamed up through the ages.

No it doesn't. All scientific evidence shows, is that God is not something that you can prove or disprove scientifically, as anyone of faith would also believe.

Ancient Historians (not just the Christian ones) are firmly in the camp that a Jewish pesant called Jesus lived, that he was considered a teacher and healer, that he was crucified, that his followers claimed that he rose from the dead and that they believed him to be the messiah.
Whether you choose to believe what his followers wrote is up to you, but to claim that "...all historical evidence shows God to be imaginary.l" is ridiculous.

Don't pull out Richard Carrier as he is considered a rogue historian and is out of kilter with all of the scholarship in this area.

I love science and believe that evolution is a fact etc.
I also believe that science cannot and will not be able to prove or disprove God.
I also will never try to ram my faith down anyone else's throat and believe that what you believe is totally up to you.
I live my life with Jesus Christ as the example. I follow his teachings as written by his followers and find that the central message of loving others and God with all that I do is a great way to live.

 

[Gronk]

No it doesn't. All scientific evidence shows, is that God is not something that you can prove or disprove scientifically, as anyone of faith would also believe.

Ancient Historians (not just the Christian ones) are firmly in the camp that a Jewish pesant called Jesus lived, that he was considered a teacher and healer, that he was crucified, that his followers claimed that he rose from the dead and that they believed him to be the messiah.
Whether you choose to believe what his followers wrote is up to you, but to claim that "...all historical evidence shows God to be imaginary.l" is ridiculous.

Don't pull out Richard Carrier as he is considered a rogue historian and is out of kilter with all of the scholarship in this area.

I love science and believe that evolution is a fact etc.
I also believe that science cannot and will not be able to prove or disprove God.
I also will never try to ram my faith down anyone else's throat and believe that what you believe is totally up to you.
I live my life with Jesus Christ as the example. I follow his teachings as written by his followers and find that the central message of loving others and God with all that I do is a great way to live.

You are entitled to believe in anything you want.

You said "Ancient Historians (not just the Christian ones) are firmly in the camp that a Jewish pesant called Jesus lived, that he was considered a teacher and healer, that he was crucified, that his followers claimed that he rose from the dead and that they believed him to be the messiah."

Sorry, there is no proof that the above is anything other than a cool story. There are other notable persons of history like Julias Ceasar or Cleopatra that have multiple and indisputable evidence of their existence. None of it vague or contradictory, like the many many versions of the existence of a dude called Jesus. What proof do you rely on ? I suggest to you that the use of the word "proof" would not stand up to the legitimate scrutiny expected of historians or a court. Do you really think that the "facts" would stand up in court ? That Jesus's existence could be proved beyond reasonable doubt by the evidence you offer ?

 

[Parra47]

Bit unfair to compare ceasar and Cleopatra who were leaders of some of the most powerful empires of their time and obviously very well known and written about in that time, to a carpenter with a handful of for the most part peasant followers.
Obviously Cleopatra and ceasar will be better recorded.
None of us will know the truth until our time comes.
Having said that I've had some experiences that clearly show me there is life after death. How it works I don't know, but I know it does.
Each to their own in this life.