Non Footy Chat Thread

[oldmancraigy]

I'll convince you now OMC.

If there was a god, we wouldn't have lost the preliminary final against the dogs in 98.

Well we know for sure that Paul Carige isn't divine!!! :lol:

 

[oldmancraigy]

As Stephen Hawking said: the concept of God is incompatible with science.

A Christian will often rationalize this situation by saying, Just look at the billions of people who believe in Jesus Christ." This strength-in-numbers rationalization may feel comforting, but it is meaningless. The fact that millions of people worship a god is meaningless.

It was once the case that most people believed the world to be flat. Widespread belief did not change the fact that the world is a sphere. The scientific and observational evidence that we have available today is undeniable -- the world is a sphere.

All scientific evidence shows that God is imaginary. So does all historical evidence. This leads any rational person to conclude that Christian beliefs are pure mythology. Christianity is just like every other mythology that mankind has dreamed up through the ages.

'all'!! :lol:
As for Hawkings, a LOT of scientists disagree with his assertion (his basic thesis is quite odd anyway)

I don't think we'll get anywhere trading messages on a forum (and boring the heck out of everyone else) - if you wanna chat about it, more than happy to do so someplace, shoot me a PM. You might be surprised that there are excellent answers to the questions you are asking.

Apologies if you feel hassled, not meaning to offend (or whatever)!

 

[Gronk]

'all'!! :lol:
As for Hawkings, a LOT of scientists disagree with his assertion (his basic thesis is quite odd anyway)

I don't think we'll get anywhere trading messages on a forum (and boring the heck out of everyone else) - if you wanna chat about it, more than happy to do so someplace, shoot me a PM. You might be surprised that there are excellent answers to the questions you are asking.

Apologies if you feel hassled, not meaning to offend (or whatever)!

No, I'm good.

As Brian Greene (famous American theoretical physicist and string theorist) once said ..

The universe is incredibly wondrous, incredibly beautiful, and it fills me with a sense that there is some underlying explanation that we have yet to fully understand. If someone wants to place the word 'God' on those collections of words, it's OK with me.

It's OK with me too, just don't expect others to agree and be miffed if they don't. :-$

 

[oldmancraigy]

Don't worry Gronk - I'm not miffed!

But wasn't Brian Austin Green that kid on Beverly Hills 90210??

 

[Gronk]

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[yy_cheng]

Well we know for sure that Paul Carige isn't divine!!! :lol:

Well his followers saw him 3 days after that incident

 

[Haynzy]

You are entitled to believe in anything you want.

You said "Ancient Historians (not just the Christian ones) are firmly in the camp that a Jewish pesant called Jesus lived, that he was considered a teacher and healer, that he was crucified, that his followers claimed that he rose from the dead and that they believed him to be the messiah."

Sorry, there is no proof that the above is anything other than a cool story. There are other notable persons of history like Julias Ceasar or Cleopatra that have multiple and indisputable evidence of their existence. None of it vague or contradictory, like the many many versions of the existence of a dude called Jesus. What proof do you rely on ? I suggest to you that the use of the word "proof" would not stand up to the legitimate scrutiny expected of historians or a court. Do you really think that the "facts" would stand up in court ? That Jesus's existence could be proved beyond reasonable doubt by the evidence you offer ?

You're right there is no proof in the sense that there is of Ceaser, Cleopatra exactly for the reason Parra 47 gave.
As far as Historians are concerned, there is consensus that Jesus lived, that he was considered a teacher and healer, that he was crucified, that his followers claimed that he rose from the dead and that they believed him to be the messiah.

Believe whatever you want mate, it doesn't faze me.
I'm not at all miffed, but if you're going to mock Christians, at least get your facts right, it's not like we don't give you enough fodder.

 

[Gronk]

You're right there is no proof in the sense that there is of Ceaser, Cleopatra exactly for the reason Parra 47 gave.
As far as Historians are concerned, there is consensus that Jesus lived, that he was considered a teacher and healer, that he was crucified, that his followers claimed that he rose from the dead and that they believed him to be the messiah.

Believe whatever you want mate, it doesn't faze me.
I'm not at all miffed, but if you're going to mock Christians, at least get your facts right, it's not like we don't give you enough fodder.

I think the mocking went both ways in the past few days. Sorry if I offended.

You keep saying that there is consensus that Jesus lived. A guy called Jesus may have. In fact I know a guy called Jesus ("pronounced - hey soos") it's a common name in South America. He may have even been crucified (your guy not mine). After all they still do that crazy shit in Saudi Arabia .

I was watching River Monsters yesterday and the fisherdude nearly got stoned to death in the Congo because a fisherman died the same day that he arrived. They were about to kill him in his sleep because they said he was responsible for black magic. I have no doubt that many many people have lost their lives in this manner throughout history based on false facts. Salem Witch Trials in Massachusetts ? Fables, even facts, have been written and recounted about these types of instances over time. No doubt.

Rose from the dead is where you lose me. Facts ? Which historians agree this to be fact ? Isn't the resurrection from the old testament ? You know the book full of "2000+ year old legends" as Emjaycee suggests. Reliable ? Or do we cherry pick certain things from the OT and discard others when they don't suit ? Are you sure that this part of the fable was not dressed up as "fact" ? After all the church seem to have a very weird concept of "facts".

 

[Haynzy]

No offence mate, I've got pretty thick skin.

Consensus is among Ancient Historians, the guys who are considered the experts of that era.

Rose from the dead is what the followers believed. There are plenty of Historians who are also Christians so believe that Jesus rose from the dead. If you are really interested, John Dickson is an Australian Ancient Historian who heads up the Centre For Public Christianity based at Macquarie Uni. He's currently lecturing at Oxford (I think) but his Facebook is pretty entertaining.

 

[Gronk]

No offence mate, I've got pretty thick skin.

Consensus is among Ancient Historians, the guys who are considered the experts of that era.

Rose from the dead is what the followers believed. There are plenty of Historians who are also Christians so believe that Jesus rose from the dead. If you are really interested, John Dickson is an Australian Ancient Historian who heads up the Centre For Public Christianity based at Macquarie Uni. He's currently lecturing at Oxford (I think) but his Facebook is pretty entertaining.

Gotcha. With respect I'd prefer some "facts" from an independent scientist or historian with an agonistic position, rather than someone with a preconceived notion that these fabled events are facts.

 

[Suitman]

No offence mate, I've got pretty thick skin.

Consensus is among Ancient Historians, the guys who are considered the experts of that era.

Rose from the dead is what the followers believed. There are plenty of Historians who are also Christians so believe that Jesus rose from the dead. If you are really interested, John Dickson is an Australian Ancient Historian who heads up the Centre For Public Christianity based at Macquarie Uni. He's currently lecturing at Oxford (I think) but his Facebook is pretty entertaining.

The original "John Dickson" that came to Australia is a relo of mine.
Google it.

Suity

 

[Haynzy]

Gotcha. With respect I'd prefer some "facts" from an independent scientist or historian with an agonistic position, rather than someone with a preconceived notion that these fabled events are facts.

Ancient Historians are independent, it's just that they are experts in deciphering the available data.
Not all of them are Christians but some are, just as some biologists are Christians and some physicists are too.

 

[Haynzy]

The original "John Dickson" that came to Australia is a relo of mine.
Google it.

Suity

First Fleet?

 

[Suitman]

First Fleet?

Yep.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Gotcha. With respect I'd prefer some "facts" from an independent scientist or historian with an agonistic position, rather than someone with a preconceived notion that these fabled events are facts.

I know that bloke personally, and he HAD a preconceived notion that none of it was true. He went and checked the history for himself and was convinced otherwise, and is a well published author and also PhD in history.

For what it is worth.

edit: I'm not quite old enough to know Suitys ancestor personally though...

 

[Suitman]

I know that bloke personally, and he HAD a preconceived notion that none of it was true. He went and checked the history for himself and was convinced otherwise, and is a well published author and also PhD in history.

For what it is worth.

edit: I'm not quite old enough to know Suitys ancestor personally though...

Is parra pete?

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I think it can only be defeated from within. The Arab states need to have the balls to lead a worldwide coalition to defeat these criminals.

Like who? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? Egypt?

You mean the Sunni states that are taking advantage of the Sunni (Daesh) uprising to attack the minorities they have a qualm with (Houthi, Alawite, Kurds etc)?

Yet again you show that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Or do you mean the Shia? (Do you even know who they are? Or the difference without having to go and read my previous posts or googling it before replying?)

Do you mean Iran? Is that who you mean? Or the Syrian government?

Which Arab states are going to do this, Gronk? Exactly which states. Be specific in your answer as to who and how.

 

[Twizzle]

 

[Avenger]

Are you serious Twiz comparing the two? Does it have to be explained to you or are you deliberately being mischievous ?

 

[bartman]

I agree with Twiz's pic.

Please explain otherwise?