Non Footy Chat Thread

[Gronk]

The state sanctioned murder in Indonesia of our drug mules was certainly devastating. Three Aussie merkins died by hanging in Malaysia last decade. One in Singapore as well. Another is on death row right now in Vietnam.

I wonder how much political noise will be aimed at the USA and their position on capital punishment ? Bugger all I'd say. Surely they should lead by example and then the first world can truly put pressure on the remaining countries ?

BTW, how cringe-worthy is the media circus ratings grabbing lead by trashy programs like Kochie and Karl's this AM ?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

So they finally shot the Bali 9 ringleaders.

Can we f**king get over it, now?

It will be dragged out for a few more weeks yet. The media loves it.

What I don't get is why every man and his dog seems totally convinced that the 2 of them were rehabilitated? Because they "found God" and tried their hand at painting? I wonder if the general public are so quick to throw the "rehabilitated" tag at merkins that have spent 10 years in Aussie jails for drug crimes?

No bastard deserves to die from Capital Punishment IMO, but heaps of countries still have it, including the good old US of A and there isn't so much of a peep said about that.

 

[Twizzle]

The media circus has been an embarrassment.

 

[Snoochies]

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...and-rugby-league/story-fnii5s3x-1227325728323

Interesting to get some insight

 

[Incorrect]

It will be dragged out for a few more weeks yet. The media loves it.

What I don't get is why every man and his dog seems totally convinced that the 2 of them were rehabilitated? Because they "found God" and tried their hand at painting? I wonder if the general public are so quick to throw the "rehabilitated" tag at merkins that have spent 10 years in Aussie jails for drug crimes?

No bastard deserves to die from Capital Punishment IMO, but heaps of countries still have it, including the good old US of A and there isn't so much of a peep said about that.

I'm guessing the main distinction between death penalties in the US and what happened to these 2 mules in Indonesia is that the US execute for crimes such as 1st degree murder, mass murder etc, not generally for importation/exportation of drugs.

Regardless, and whether you agree with it or not, those are the laws of the land in Indonesia. I've known since I was 10 years old when Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia that if you are silly enough to go smuggling drugs in or out of countries like Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Mayalsia et al, and are to get caught, there's a good chance you'll meet your maker on that governments terms, not your own.

Also - haven't these blokes been on death row pretty much the whole time they've been in jail over there? How long has it been - 10 years? Where was all the pressure from celeb's and other bleeding hearts to have the decision overturned in the 9 years preceding the last 6 months or so? There may have been diplomatic discussions periodically between our government's over that time, who knows, but certainly I don't recall Geoffrey Rush or Brendan Cowell pressuring John Howard, Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard to "show some balls and get over there" like they did this week to Tony Abbott. Cynical though I may be, it seems like it became a populist movment in the last 6 months. The phrase "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted" comes to mind....

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I'm guessing the main distinction between death penalties in the US and what happened to these 2 mules in Indonesia is that the US execute for crimes such as 1st degree murder, mass murder etc, not generally for importation/exportation of drugs.

Regardless, and whether you agree with it or not, those are the laws of the land in Indonesia. I've known since I was 10 years old when Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia that if you are silly enough to go smuggling drugs in or out of countries like Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Mayalsia et al, and are to get caught, there's a good chance you'll meet your maker on that governments terms, not your own.

Also - haven't these blokes been on death row pretty much the whole time they've been in jail over there? How long has it been - 10 years? Where was all the pressure from celeb's and other bleeding hearts to have the decision overturned in the 9 years preceding the last 6 months or so? There may have been diplomatic discussions periodically between our government's over that time, who knows, but certainly I don't recall Geoffrey Rush or Brendan Cowell pressuring John Howard, Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard to "show some balls and get over there" like they did this week to Tony Abbott. Cynical though I may be, it seems like it became a populist movment in the last 6 months. The phrase "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted" comes to mind....

They didn't really expect them to be executed until the last few months when there was a new President with a hardline approach. Previously the death penalty hung around but not expected.

Seriously while our two were guilty as, a few of those executed yesterday did have strong cases to be let off, one was mentally f**ked up and I glad the woman's execution was put on hold, surely she has a strong case for clemency.

 

[yy_cheng]

Did they ever dob in the people further up the drug train?

 

[Gronk]

Did they ever dob in the people further up the drug train?

Don't think so.

The Feds tipped off the Indo boarder cops however, which resulted in their arrest on Indo soil (rather than waiting on them to arrive here and arresting them).

Ironically, if you ever followed that case of the Yank who was accused of murdering his new wife whilst diving in QLD. He served time here for criminal negligence (or something). When released he was arrested in Texas (?) and charged with murder. When the Texas cops asked the QLD cops for the file on him, they refused because Texas has a death penalty.

If only the Feds had the conscience of the QLD cops.....

 

[phantom eel]

I don't blame the AFP at all for these executions - they couldn't stop them leaving our country just on suspicion or hearsay.

These guys did what they did on Indonesian soil, and like Incorrect said, they knew full well the consequences of getting caught. They took the risk, and they alone are responsible for their own demises.

The fact that they apparently never ratted on the people above them in their drug supply chain speaks volumes about their supposed "rehabilitation" and "remorse". R.I.P.

 

[Noise]

I don't blame the AFP at all for these executions - they couldn't stop them leaving our country just on suspicion or hearsay.

These guys did what they did on Indonesian soil, and like Incorrect said, they knew full well the consequences of getting caught. They took the risk, and they alone are responsible for their own demises.

The fact that they apparently never ratted on the people above them in their drug supply chain speaks volumes about their supposed "rehabilitation" and "remorse". R.I.P.

Surely you Can you be charged or at least withheld for a conspiracy to commit a crime?

 

[Eelementary]

What a joke that people are up in arms about the execution of those scumbags.

They broke the law in Indonesia, knowing what the penalties were. Whether or not execution was warranted is completely irrelevant - they broke the law in Indonesia, and Indonesian law says if found guilty, they get executed.

They knew what would happen if they were caught and found guilty, and did it anyway. Merkins carrying on about human rights or how barbaric execution is are laughable tbh.

The merkins deserved to die.

 

[Eelementary]

I'm guessing the main distinction between death penalties in the US and what happened to these 2 mules in Indonesia is that the US execute for crimes such as 1st degree murder, mass murder etc, not generally for importation/exportation of drugs.

Regardless, and whether you agree with it or not, those are the laws of the land in Indonesia. I've known since I was 10 years old when Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia that if you are silly enough to go smuggling drugs in or out of countries like Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Mayalsia et al, and are to get caught, there's a good chance you'll meet your maker on that governments terms, not your own.

Also - haven't these blokes been on death row pretty much the whole time they've been in jail over there? How long has it been - 10 years? Where was all the pressure from celeb's and other bleeding hearts to have the decision overturned in the 9 years preceding the last 6 months or so? There may have been diplomatic discussions periodically between our government's over that time, who knows, but certainly I don't recall Geoffrey Rush or Brendan Cowell pressuring John Howard, Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard to "show some balls and get over there" like they did this week to Tony Abbott. Cynical though I may be, it seems like it became a populist movment in the last 6 months. The phrase "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted" comes to mind....

 

[Gronk]

I don't blame the AFP at all for these executions - they couldn't stop them leaving our country just on suspicion or hearsay.

These guys did what they did on Indonesian soil, and like Incorrect said, they knew full well the consequences of getting caught. They took the risk, and they alone are responsible for their own demises.

The fact that they apparently never ratted on the people above them in their drug supply chain speaks volumes about their supposed "rehabilitation" and "remorse". R.I.P.

I don't blame the AFP for the deaths either. I was merely making comparative comment on the diver death case. QLD police there made operational decisions after careful consideration of the capital punishment policy of the state of Texas (or was it Carolina).

The question posed by many is why the AFT chose to tip off the Indos, rather than wait for the mules to arrive on Australian soil which was their ultimate destination.

 

[Gronk]

I'm guessing the main distinction between death penalties in the US and what happened to these 2 mules in Indonesia is that the US execute for crimes such as 1st degree murder, mass murder etc, not generally for importation/exportation of drugs.

Regardless, and whether you agree with it or not, those are the laws of the land in Indonesia. I've known since I was 10 years old when Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Malaysia that if you are silly enough to go smuggling drugs in or out of countries like Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Mayalsia et al, and are to get caught, there's a good chance you'll meet your maker on that governments terms, not your own.

Also - haven't these blokes been on death row pretty much the whole time they've been in jail over there? How long has it been - 10 years? Where was all the pressure from celeb's and other bleeding hearts to have the decision overturned in the 9 years preceding the last 6 months or so? There may have been diplomatic discussions periodically between our government's over that time, who knows, but certainly I don't recall Geoffrey Rush or Brendan Cowell pressuring John Howard, Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard to "show some balls and get over there" like they did this week to Tony Abbott. Cynical though I may be, it seems like it became a populist movment in the last 6 months. The phrase "shutting the gate after the horse has bolted" comes to mind....

These mules were only at risk of firing squad after Widodo got in Oct 2014 and decided to everyone's shock that he was going to clear the back log on death row. Prior to that under previous rule, clemency was odds on.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I don't blame the AFP at all for these executions - they couldn't stop them leaving our country just on suspicion or hearsay.

These guys did what they did on Indonesian soil, and like Incorrect said, they knew full well the consequences of getting caught. They took the risk, and they alone are responsible for their own demises.

The fact that they apparently never ratted on the people above them in their drug supply chain speaks volumes about their supposed "rehabilitation" and "remorse". R.I.P.

They are/were worried about the Mr Bigs harming their families in Australia..........

 

[Swiftstylez]

This is a quote from the first Harry Potter and I believe these words from Uncle Vernon, if they had been heeded to when you first read the book or watched the movie, could have saved a lot of us a great deal of heart ache. We always have known how bad our football team that we support is but we continue(d) to believe that somehow the football gods will weave their magic later on in the year and make us a good football side no matter how badly we start each year, or how many bad years we have had before it.

Vernon in movie one personifies everything about the world that we should have learnt from as Eels fans. He sees the world for what it is, nothing remarkable happens, nothing strange happens, nothing different happens. "There's no such thing as magic", life was ordinary for him and so are the Eels.

Ironically the movie for philosophers stone came out the same year we lost the "unloseable" grand final which should have prepared us for the heatbreak that would ensue.

Let this be a lesson to all of us, especially those that were born into a world where the Eels have not won a premiership since. Let these words ring into your head on your death bed as you smile at the times you believed the Eels would do something magic but never did, uttering them as they consume you at the end:

"There's no such thing as magic".

 

[phantom eel]

Surely you Can you be charged or at least withheld for a conspiracy to commit a crime?

Not without a certain amount of evidence, otherwise its a violation of our human rights. Heard about how people go trying to get the cops to even come out to their house if someone's stalking you, but hasn't yet committed any crime?

I'd imagine that a drug runner's dad making a phone call about his suspicions regarding one person doesn't count as sufficient evidence to stop nine people boarding planes at the airport.

 

[phantom eel]

I don't blame the AFP for the deaths either. I was merely making comparative comment on the diver death case. QLD police there made operational decisions after careful consideration of the capital punishment policy of the state of Texas (or was it Carolina).

The question posed by many is why the AFT chose to tip off the Indos, rather than wait for the mules to arrive on Australian soil which was their ultimate destination.

Fair enough.

But maybe the AFP weren't really interested in catching the seven mules, and primarily wanted the two ringleaders caught red-handed near the source of the drugs? In the hope they might then able to find out about who is responsible higher up in the supply chain? (Which didn't happen, because the two executed guys wouldn't give any information.)

Despite the emotions involved, this approach sounds like sensible policing to me.

 

[Jake the snake]

Are you smoking again?

 

[Swiftstylez]

Are you smoking again?

Excuse me mate? This is no laughing matter.

In fact it is the complete opposite: The ones who don't appreciate this wisdom must be partaking of the smoke.