Northern Eagles. Central Coast. Gosford

[Perth Red]

So apparently RL can't expand because a whole lot of vegan restaurants went bust in Sydney and Melbourne.

Source: Cooked Unit Weekly

add it to union, soccer, ESL and a whole host of other BS logic he's come up with lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

add it to union, soccer, ESL and a whole host of other BS logic he's come up with lol

You think the MCG provides a better experience than Stadium Australia for rugby league games. You're full of shit.

 

[Perth Red]

You think the MCG provides a better experience than Stadium Australia for rugby league games. You're full of shit.

Ive been to origin at MCG and GF at Stadium Australia, and MCG was a better experience for a number of reasons. You been to them both for big RL games?
Tell us again why NRL in perth will fail because of vegan restaurants in Sydney lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Ive been to origin at MCG and GF at Stadium Australia, and MCG was a better experience for a number of reasons. You been to them both for big RL games?
Tell us again why NRL in perth will fail because of vegan restaurants in Sydney lol.

A row 1 ticket on the 50m line at the MCG will be about 30m from the field of play. People get these tickets to be up close to the action.

The trade off with being in row 1 is you don't get good depth perception when the play is on the far side of the field. I don't need to attend Origin at the MCG to know that if I'm in row 1 on the 50m line then I won't know how far in from touch the ball is when the play is on the far side.

When I went to Kougari Oval I sat as far back in the Arthur Lovell Stand as possible so I could get an idea of how close the players were to the far side touch line. When I sat in the first row I couldn't tell if the wingers were 20m from touch or right on the sideline. Kougari Oval is a rectangupar field.

Imagine how much worse it would be at an oval?

 

[Canard]

Stadium Australia v MCG for Rugby League is comparing Cancer with full blown AIDS.

They both suck pretty hard for rectangular sports.

The rake on the bottom bowl at SA is way way too shallow, and the venue is located in the middle of nowhere.

The MCG is just too far from the action, and you find yourself watching the big screen all the time.

 

[Perth Red]

A row 1 ticket on the 50m line at the MCG will be about 30m from the field of play. People get these tickets to be up close to the action.

The trade off with being in row 1 is you don't get good depth perception when the play is on the far side of the field. I don't need to attend Origin at the MCG to know that if I'm in row 1 on the 50m line then I won't know how far in from touch the ball is when the play is on the far side.

When I went to Kougari Oval I sat as far back in the Arthur Lovell Stand as possible so I could get an idea of how close the players were to the far side touch line. When I sat in the first row I couldn't tell if the wingers were 20m from touch or right on the sideline. Kougari Oval is a rectangupar field.

Imagine how much worse it would be at an oval?

So no you havent? yet you think you know better than someone who has? Its my opinion a full MCG or Optus is a better experience (note I didnt say view) than Stadium Australia. Try them both and then come back and we'll have a chat.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So no you havent? yet you think you know better than someone who has? Its my opinion a full MCG or Optus is a better experience (note I didnt say view) than Stadium Australia. Try them both and then come back and we'll have a chat.

If I cannot get a good view of the game then my experience is going to be shithouse you dope!

I don't go to games to socialise and drink. I go there to see as much detail as possible.

If I'm so far from the action at ground level that I miss much of the action then I cannot enjoy the game, can I?

It makes more sense to watch the game on TV than from row 1 about 30m away from the 50m line at the MCG. At least I dont miss the action from home.

 

[The Great Dane]

Using your logic, we could set up teams in Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo tomorrow.

Setting aside the logistics of expanding to Asia, hypothetically you could set up teams in Asia if you could source strong local investors, get buy in from local media companies, and afford to invest the start up costs, which would be astronomical in any Asian country but that's beside the point.

So really it's just a matter of scale. Unless something totally unforeseeable happens, it's pretty unlikely that Asia will be a realistic destination for expansion any time soon, if ever. Adelaide on the other hand is absolutely achievable.

Your marketing analogies make no sense.

There's no point putting a business in an area that won't patronise it.

Look at all of the vegan restaurants that have gone bust in the inner suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney. Big population in these areas, but f**k all people are interested in eating vegan meals. Putting vegan restaurants there didn't convert people to veganism.

I could feel my braincells being murdered just reading that.

How do you think cuisines expand in popularity if it's not through entrepreneurs taking the risk of opening restaurants in new places and creating the demand in new markets?

There was no demand for Indian, Chinese, American, German, French, etc, etc, food outside of their countries until somebody made the gamble that they could make a living selling their food in a new place.

 

[The Great Dane]

RL memberships sold in Brisbane 2022: 35k
... in 2023: 70k
... in 2024: 90k

Yeah, just a coincidence. And yes the game is thriving without any dots on a map clubs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't go to those cities but PR said we can't grow without them which is clearly not the case.

More murdered braincells.

It simply doesn't follow that just because more memberships have been sold that those memberships were sold to people new to the game. In the case of Brisbane you would have to be completely disconnected from reality to believe that anything other than an extreme minority of those members weren't already consuming NRL and RL content prior to the Dolphins admittance into the NRL.

So again, nothing wrong with it, but that's not growth in any meaningful sense of the term.

Yes, Adelaide could. But not while better options that offer better returns for the game are on the table.

From a long term business perspective the only realistic option on the table that's undeniably better than Adelaide is Perth. You could make a fair argument for a second NZ side as well, but I wouldn't say that's clear cut. Adelaide and NZ have different risks and rewards, and both are worthwhile ventures for different reasons.

In other words, Adelaide does offer better returns than pretty much any other opportunity on the table.

 

[Perth Red]

If I cannot get a good view of the game then my experience is going to be shithouse you dope!

I don't go to games to socialise and drink. I go there to see as much detail as possible.

If I'm so far from the action at ground level that I miss much of the action then I cannot enjoy the game, can I?

It makes more sense to watch the game on TV than from row 1 about 30m away from the 50m line at the MCG. At least I dont miss the action from home.

that must be why you stay at home and watch on tv then lol

for me the view is just one part of the whole big game experience. atmosphere in and around the stadium, facilities, ease of access, seat comfort, proximity to bars, quality of food and drink at stadium, lighting effects, sound system, a shtload of factors other than just the view. If view is all you care about tv is always going to be the best option.
I rate Stadium Australia amongst one of the worse stadiums I've been to, and for a regular club matches much worse than anywhere. I once went to a Souths v sharks game there in the rain with about 10k fans, it was horrible, literally one of the worse sporting experiences Ive been to. Made Batley seem a dream!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Setting aside the logistics of expanding to Asia, hypothetically you could set up teams in Asia if you could source strong local investors, get buy in from local media companies, and afford to invest the start up costs, which would be astronomical in any Asian country but that's beside the point.

Logistics is problematic, but doable. Super Rugby had teams in South Africa, Japan and Argentina.

So really it's just a matter of scale. Unless something totally unforeseeable happens, it's pretty unlikely that Asia will be a realistic destination for expansion any time soon, if ever. Adelaide on the other hand is absolutely achievable.

How can it be achieveable when the ARLC has zero interest in creating and funding a franchise in Adelaide?

There aren't any businessmen in Adelaide willing to fund an Adelaide team.

Without one or the other it is unachieveable.

I could feel my braincells being murdered just reading that.

The pompous wind bag is doing his routine.

How do you think cuisines expand in popularity if it's not through entrepreneurs taking the risk of opening restaurants in new places and creating the demand in new markets?

Not all ventures suceed. Most restaurants go bust.

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There was no demand for Indian, Chinese, American, German, French, etc, etc, food outside of their countries until somebody made the gamble that they could make a living selling their food in a new place.

Immigrants from these countries flooded into America and Australia in the 19th and 20th centuries. Much of their customer base would have been other migrants.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

More murdered braincells.

It simply doesn't follow that just because more memberships have been sold that those memberships were sold to people new to the game. In the case of Brisbane you would have to be completely disconnected from reality to believe that anything other than an extreme minority of those members weren't already consuming NRL and RL content prior to the Dolphins admittance into the NRL.

So again, nothing wrong with it, but that's not growth in any meaningful sense of the term.

From a long term business perspective the only realistic option on the table that's undeniably better than Adelaide is Perth. You could make a fair argument for a second NZ side as well, but I wouldn't say that's clear cut. Adelaide and NZ have different risks and rewards, and both are worthwhile ventures for different reasons.

In other words, Adelaide does offer better returns than pretty much any other opportunity on the table.

Who is going to fund a team from Adelaide?

The local private sector isn't interested in funding an NRL team. Neither is the ARLC willing to prop one up for decades. Albo ain't going to do it, either.

I suppose you'll now claim you've never suggested parachuting a team into Adelaide, despite going on about how we should put a team there and suffer losses for several decades because the long-term rewards will be worth it?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

that must be why you stay at home and watch on tv then lol

for me the view is just one part of the whole big game experience. atmosphere in and around the stadium, facilities, ease of access, seat comfort, proximity to bars, quality of food and drink at stadium, lighting effects, sound system, a shtload of factors other than just the view. If view is all you care about tv is always going to be the best option.
I rate Stadium Australia amongst one of the worse stadiums I've been to, and for a regular club matches much worse than anywhere. I once went to a Souths v sharks game there in the rain with about 10k fans, it was horrible, literally one of the worse sporting experiences Ive been to. Made Batley seem a dream!

We watch the game for completely different reasons.

I'm an introvert and hate being around people in crowded spaces. Loud ambient noise and bright light stresses me out. I prefer darkness and solitude. If I could sleep all day and stay awake all night every day then I would.

 

[Perth Red]

Who is going to fund a team from Adelaide?

The local private sector isn't interested in funding an NRL team. Neither is the ARLC willing to prop one up for decades. Albo ain't going to do it, either.

I suppose you'll now claim you've never suggested parachuting a team into Adelaide, despite going on about how we should put a team there and suffer losses for several decades because the long-term rewards will be worth it?

The Bears. Or the ARLC need to start building interest in the game in SA now for 20-30 years time.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Bears. Or the ARLC need to start building interest in the game in SA now for 20-30 years time.

If we're going to invest in a new market for 20-30 years then why waste it on Adelaide?

Why not go for a city with 5 million people?

 

[Perth Red]

If we're going to invest in a new market for 20-30 years then why waste it on Adelaide?

Why not go for a city with 5 million people?

Because Adelaide is in Australia and thats the job of ARLC.
It also has a time limited but reasonable track record of interest in the game as a start point. Its on TV already there Australian sponsors will be more interested than in a foreign country where they dont sell their product etc etc.

To start a new game in a new country from a zero start point is a huge undertaking, as NRL is about to find out in in the USA.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Bears. Or the ARLC need to start building interest in the game in SA now for 20-30 years time.

That's not going to happen. Nor should it.

No one is required to invest their time and money on Adelaide. There's no guarantee that investing in Adelaide over the next 20-30 years will bear any fruit.

There is no mandate stating the ARLC has to invest money on promotional campaigns in Adelaide.

 

[MugaB]

If we're going to invest in a new market for 20-30 years then why waste it on Adelaide?

Why not go for a city with 5 million people?

Yes Melbourne

 

[MugaB]

That's not going to happen. Nor should it.

No one is required to invest their time and money on Adelaide. There's no guarantee that investing in Adelaide over the next 20-30 years will bear any fruit.

There is no mandate stating the ARLC has to invest money on promotional campaigns in Adelaide.

Might aswell start investing in Broome, Darwin and hobart too, if they are so mandated to expose and nurture RL in Adelaide, same result really, or maybe best to just not do either and wait till they want our product, like the perth govt has.... but then actually do something about it

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Because Adelaide is in Australia and thats the job of ARLC.
It also has a time limited but reasonable track record of interest in the game as a start point. Its on TV already there Australian sponsors will be more interested than in a foreign country where they dont sell their product etc etc.

To start a new game in a new country from a zero start point is a huge undertaking, as NRL is about to find out in in the USA.

About 5-8k people from Adelaide watch the game on TV. The participation rate would number no more than a few hundred players. The ARLC's sole obligation to South Australia is to providing resources to NRLSA so it can run organised competitions. It's fulfilling this role as we speak.

You're demanding the ARLC polish a turd until it magically turns into a diamond necklace.

The ARLC doesn't have an obligation to run expensive school clinics and promotional campaigns across every nook and cranny of Adelaide. An undertaking of that magnitude would require qualified personel from Queensland and NSW to relocate to Adelaide and work on a full time basis running campaigns that won't bear much fruit. You're talking about millions of dollars per annum on a program that produces little to nothing for decades. It would be better to allocate these resources to the Pacific because they'll produce better results.

The ARLC does promote the game in the Pacific via its NRL Pacific program.

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