Northern Eagles. Central Coast. Gosford

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'm all for Perth, NZ2 and even Adelaide but the NRL has shown staggering growth without new markets so that's not exactly true

Adelaide is so far from being ready for a team it's not even worthy of being considered for one of he next three licences.

I do see the irony of PR telling us to put teams in Adelaide and Perth while England's second largest city, Birmingham, has none. Birmingham's population is 1.145m. That makes it a similar size to Adelaide. I don't see PR ranting about the need for the ESL to ditch promotion and relegation in favour of a franchise system that expands into Birmingham.

Hull has just 260k people. It has two teams. PR defends Hull having two teams, yet whinges about Brisbane's 2.6m people getting a third and mocks Sydney's 5m people for having nine.

Using PR's logic, Birmingham and Newcastle would provide more value to the ESL than Hull KR.

 

[Perth Red]

Again with the bs analogies. If rl games in Birmingham got 40k locals attending and there were 4k grassroots players in birmingham and there was a multi millionaire willing to back a SL team in Birmingham and a local govt willing to back them, they’d be in SL by now !

Adelaide Bears, sadly only way Adelaide could have a club in next 30 years given the arlc‘s lack of vision for growing the game beyond two states.

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm all for Perth, NZ2 and even Adelaide but the NRL has shown staggering growth without new markets so that's not exactly true

The NRL did the equivalent of upselling some Queenslanders to order fries and a coke with their burger. Nothing wrong with that, but it's maximising profit, not growth in any meaningful sense of the term.

I mean is anybody seriously suggesting that the Dolphins introduced the sport to a significant amount of people who are genuinely new to the sport or NRL?

 

[The Great Dane]

The idea that Adelaide couldn't support an NRL team tomorrow is just backwards gatekeeping.

With decent support from local government and solid backing an Adelaide side could launch in the next few seasons. It wouldn't be the biggest or most successful side from day dot, but A. it doesn't have to be, B. it's totally unrealistic to expect it to be, and C. the only way it and the sport is ever going to experience significant growth in Adelaide is with a top down approach.

You're effectively saying that Adelaide can't have an NRL side until the sport is popular in Adelaide, but the only realistic way that the sport's popularity will grow in Adelaide is with an NRL side to push publicity and interest. At that point it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[flippikat]

The idea that Adelaide couldn't support an NRL team tomorrow is just backwards gatekeeping.

With decent support from local government and solid backing an Adelaide side could launch in the next few seasons. It wouldn't be the biggest or most successful side from day dot, but A. it doesn't have to be, B. it's totally unrealistic to expect it to be, and C. the only way it and the sport is ever going to experience significant growth in Adelaide is with a top down approach.

You're effectively saying that Adelaide can't have an NRL side until the sport is popular in Adelaide, but the only realistic way that the sport's popularity will grow in Adelaide is with an NRL side to push publicity and interest. At that point it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

The first-year attendances of the Rams home games in 1997 shows there's a latent market there, for sure.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The idea that Adelaide couldn't support an NRL team tomorrow is just backwards gatekeeping.

With decent support from local government and solid backing an Adelaide side could launch in the next few seasons. It wouldn't be the biggest or most successful side from day dot, but A. it doesn't have to be, B. it's totally unrealistic to expect it to be, and C. the only way it and the sport is ever going to experience significant growth in Adelaide is with a top down approach.

You're effectively saying that Adelaide can't have an NRL side until the sport is popular in Adelaide, but the only realistic way that the sport's popularity will grow in Adelaide is with an NRL side to push publicity and interest. At that point it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Using your logic, we could set up teams in Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo tomorrow.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The NRL did the equivalent of upselling some Queenslanders to order fries and a coke with their burger. Nothing wrong with that, but it's maximising profit, not growth in any meaningful sense of the term.

I mean is anybody seriously suggesting that the Dolphins introduced the sport to a significant amount of people who are genuinely new to the sport or NRL?

Your marketing analogies make no sense.

There's no point putting a business in an area that won't patronise it.

Look at all of the vegan restaurants that have gone bust in the inner suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney. Big population in these areas, but f**k all people are interested in eating vegan meals. Putting vegan restaurants there didn't convert people to veganism.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Again with the bs analogies. If rl games in Birmingham got 40k locals attending and there were 4k grassroots players in birmingham and there was a multi millionaire willing to back a SL team in Birmingham and a local govt willing to back them, they’d be in SL by now !

Adelaide Bears, sadly only way Adelaide could have a club in next 30 years given the arlc‘s lack of vision for growing the game beyond two states.

So Birmingham needs organic growth but Adelaide should be given the top down approach?

Were the London Broncos admitted to Super League due to having large crowds and participation rates in the 1990s?

 

[Perth Red]

So Birmingham needs organic growth but Adelaide should be given the top down approach?

Were the London Broncos admitted to Super League due to having large crowds and participation rates in the 1990s?

Birmingham needs some level of interest and a backer. Like I said Adelaide only works if A) the ARLC gets off its arse and grows the game there in next 20 years or B) Bears move in and the ownership risk is minimised.

You want to use the multiple failure London Broncos as an example of a top down approach? lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Birmingham needs some level of interest and a backer. Like I said Adelaide only works if A) the ARLC gets off its arse and grows the game there in next 20 years or B) Bears move in and the ownership risk is minimised.

You want to use the multiple failure London Broncos as an example of a top down approach? lol

So it's the ARLC's job to fund expansion into Adelaide because the private sector won't do it, but the RFL gets to sit on its arse and do nothing for Birmingham because there's no third party interested in owning a Super League club?

You're contradicting yourself.

What else is new?

The London Broncos are an example of what can go wrong with Adelaide and Perth. Dare I say it, the Storm would have been a carbon copy of them without News Ltd's support for 15 years. Throw in another five years of financial support between 2013-2018 from the ARLC to cover losses under a new ownership model. That's what it costs to expand into fumbleball wastelands like Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. You and Dane think that plonking a team in these cities is all it takes to be grow the game.

 

[Perth Red]

So it's the ARLC's job to fund expansion into Adelaide because the private sector won't do it, but the RFL gets to sit on its arse and do nothing for Birmingham because there's no third party interested in owning a Super League club?

its the ARLC's job to grow the game NATIONALLY. It literally says it in the constitution! Who elses job would it be?

 

[Canard]

So apparently RL can't expand because a whole lot of vegan restaurants went bust in Sydney and Melbourne.

Source: Cooked Unit Weekly

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

its the ARLC's job to grow the game NATIONALLY. It literally says it in the constitution! Who elses job would it be?

The RFL isn't responsible for growing the game across England?

Where is it carved in stone that the ARLC must ignore financially viable NRL bids from Brisbane and fund unwanted teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The NRL did the equivalent of upselling some Queenslanders to order fries and a coke with their burger. Nothing wrong with that, but it's maximising profit, not growth in any meaningful sense of the term.

I mean is anybody seriously suggesting that the Dolphins introduced the sport to a significant amount of people who are genuinely new to the sport or NRL?

RL memberships sold in Brisbane 2022: 35k
... in 2023: 70k
... in 2024: 90k

Yeah, just a coincidence. And yes the game is thriving without any dots on a map clubs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't go to those cities but PR said we can't grow without them which is clearly not the case.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The idea that Adelaide couldn't support an NRL team tomorrow is just backwards gatekeeping.

With decent support from local government and solid backing an Adelaide side could launch in the next few seasons. It wouldn't be the biggest or most successful side from day dot, but A. it doesn't have to be, B. it's totally unrealistic to expect it to be, and C. the only way it and the sport is ever going to experience significant growth in Adelaide is with a top down approach.

You're effectively saying that Adelaide can't have an NRL side until the sport is popular in Adelaide, but the only realistic way that the sport's popularity will grow in Adelaide is with an NRL side to push publicity and interest. At that point it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Yes, Adelaide could. But not while better options that offer better returns for the game are on the table.

 

[Maximus]

RL memberships sold in Brisbane 2022: 35k
... in 2023: 70k
... in 2024: 90k

Yeah, just a coincidence. And yes the game is thriving without any dots on a map clubs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't go to those cities but PR said we can't grow without them which is clearly not the case.

Hmm 2020 wooden spooners and 2021 14th place vs 2023 grand finalists.

That is the more likely explanation behind the difference between 2022 and 2024.

 

[Canard]

Hmm 2020 wooden spooners and 2021 14th place vs 2023 grand finalists.

That is the more likely explanation behind the difference between 2022 and 2024.

1 game "memberships" is the most likely reason.

Full season ticket holders is the metric that matters.

The Broncos would be the biggest in that regard, which I would assume would be around low 20k's?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Hmm 2020 wooden spooners and 2021 14th place vs 2023 grand finalists.

That is the more likely explanation behind the difference between 2022 and 2024.

Broncos have never been as high as they are now even in premiership years and Dolphins have brought an extra 30k on top of that.

So to answer the original point. Yes, the Dolphins have brought new fans to the game

 

[Canard]

Broncos have never been as high as they are now even in premiership years and Dolphins have brought an extra 30k on top of that.

So to answer the original point. Yes, the Dolphins have brought new fans to the game

Was "membership" even a thing when the Broncos last won a preimership?

That was almost 20 years ago, I think you will find the member numbers were quite low across the board in 2006.

But funnily enough probably reflected true full ticketed season members.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Hmm 2020 wooden spooners and 2021 14th place vs 2023 grand finalists.

That is the more likely explanation behind the difference between 2022 and 2024.

30k of the 70k in 2023 were Dolphins members you dope.

FMD you post some dumb shit.