Northern Eagles. Central Coast. Gosford

[Perth Red]

Perth red hates rugby league in Australia

he wants to destroy much of it to rebuild it into a weak version of the afl

he’s the 2024 version of John ribot

of course I do dckhead. Out of the two of us only one of us became a swans fan when they lost their club/opportunity to watch live NRL.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

of course I do dckhead. Out of the two of us only one of us became a swans fan when they lost their club/opportunity to watch live NRL.

People would take you more seriously if you had principles. Everything you say about Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth is a contradiction of what you've said about Brisbane and Sydney. Your stance on Brisbane is contradictory to your stance on Sydney, too. It all amounts to you wanting a team in Perth and not giving a f**k about anyone else.

 

[Perth Red]

People would take you more seriously if you had principles. Everything you say about Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth is a contradiction of what you've said about Brisbane and Sydney. Your stance on Brisbane is contradictory to your stance on Sydney, too. It all amounts to you wanting a team in Perth and not giving a f**k about anyone else.

again you are unable to read or comprehend. I want to see the game expand to new areas, not remain stuck just in its heartlands. As would any good RL fan. I mean you have WB who thinks it would be a good idea to close down two semi prof leagues in UK and yourself who would rather see the game die than a club in Perth. wtf?
And you both call yourselves RL fans?

 

[reanimate]

Easy, just call it "Norths"
There's Wests, Souffs, and Easts,
No one calls them western suburbs or eastern suburbs no more unless you're over the age of 50, and souths is south Sydney, but its just "souths" these days, call it Norths and be done with it
Its broader context will include both north shore, northern beaches, chatswood, hornsby, st ives, central coast even.. its what should have happened with the bears

Norths is one of the Bears’ nicknames, I personally think it’d be best to avoid anything relating to Bears branding.

You alienate 50% of the population by calling the team Manly.

Should re name to GenderNeutrally.

I like it. GenderNeutrally North Shore Sea Eagles. Very inclusive.

 

[Wb1234]

of course I do dckhead. Out of the two of us only one of us became a swans fan when they lost their club/opportunity to watch live NRL.

Aussie rugby league fans love its regional roots and clubs

Newcastle were a foundation club

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

again you are unable to read or comprehend. I want to see the game expand to new areas, not remain stuck just in its heartlands. As would any good RL fan. I mean you have WB who thinks it would be a good idea to close down two semi prof leagues in UK and yourself who would rather see the game die than a club in Perth. wtf?
And you both call yourselves RL fans?

This is bullshit and you know it.

You were against a traditional BRL club getting an NRL licence.

You're against another team in Brisbane, despite the three largest rugby league clubs in the world being from Queensland and two of them are based in Brisbane.

You want to relegate the Queensland Cup and NSW Cup to third tier status, yet you're attacking Wb1234 for holding a similar position on the lower tier English divisions?

Not only do you want the world's second largest rugby league city to be confined to just 2 teams among its 2.6m people, you think Hull's 260k residents should have two!

You whinge about the ARLC not propping up rugby league in Melbourne and Perth, but we're fine with the RFL doing worse to the Wolfpack.

There's no logic to any of your arguments. If you truly believe the bullshit you're trying to spin then you would advocate for the end of promotion and relegation in the RFL and merge small teams like Hull FC and Hull KR so the game can expand into Dublin, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Toulouse, Paris and Toronto. You won't do any of this because you're a hypocrite who thinks your tiny RFL team is above the rules you set for larger and richer BRL and NSWRL clubs.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Norths is one of the Bears’ nicknames, I personally think it’d be best to avoid anything relating to Bears branding.

I like it. GenderNeutrally North Shore Sea Eagles. Very inclusive.

Just rebrand as "Sea Eagles" or "Sea Eagles NRL". Older fans can call them Manly.

 

[MugaB]

Norths is one of the Bears’ nicknames, I personally think it’d be best to avoid anything relating to Bears branding.

Yeah .....thats why i said it

 

[Perth Red]

People would take you more seriously if you had principles. Everything you say about Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth is a contradiction of what you've said about Brisbane and Sydney. Your stance on Brisbane is contradictory to your stance on Sydney, too. It all amounts to you wanting a team in Perth and not giving a f**k about anyone else.

sigh, once again, Sydney and Brisbane are well serviced by current NRl clubs. Perth, Adelaide Christchurch etc have no team to get behind. If the game wants to grow it needs to go to new markets, not keep adding clubs to existing markets. I dont know how hard that can be for you to understand.

 

[Perth Red]

This is bullshit and you know it.

You were against a traditional BRL club getting an NRL licence.

You're against another team in Brisbane, despite the three largest rugby league clubs in the world being from Queensland and two of them are based in Brisbane.

You want to relegate the Queensland Cup and NSW Cup to third tier status, yet you're attacking Wb1234 for holding a similar position on the lower tier English divisions?

Not only do you want the world's second largest rugby league city to be confined to just 2 teams among its 2.6m people, you think Hull's 260k residents should have two!

You whinge about the ARLC not propping up rugby league in Melbourne and Perth, but we're fine with the RFL doing worse to the Wolfpack.

There's no logic to any of your arguments. If you truly believe the bullshit you're trying to spin then you would advocate for the end of promotion and relegation in the RFL and merge small teams like Hull FC and Hull KR so the game can expand into Dublin, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Toulouse, Paris and Toronto. You won't do any of this because you're a hypocrite who thinks your tiny RFL team is above the rules you set for larger and richer BRL and NSWRL clubs.

ok one last time:

Brisbane has 2 clubs Rl fans can support. It doesn't need a third whilst we have unserved markets elsewhere.

The jury is still out on Redcliffe, if in 5 years they are still the second largest club then great, if not then I guess the idea wasnt such a great one. And yes Id have rather seen Easts in with a brand appealing to whole of South Brisbane and playing FT out of Suncorp as a genuine Brisbane2 club, not what Dolphins ended up being playing games in a 10k stadium to appease tradition and called The, that's just BS.

HKR and HFC are not small teams in the context of SL. They are both A grade clubs. I have always said if there is a city that has a club bigger than HKR, and if HKR are the smallest club in Sl then I could accept we shouldn't be there anymore. But we are light years away from that being a reality. I like the grading system, it is a clear and honest appraisal of what clubs are fit to be in SL.

I think the NRl would be better off with a proper reserve grade and would like to see a genuine semi prof second tier competition below NRl. Its a total farce what exists now, no one cares, no one watches either state comp and its just a feeder for NRl and not doing that great a job at it.

That'll be my last response to you on this, I'm sick of going round in same circles with your BS derailing every thread.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

sigh, once again, Sydney and Brisbane are well serviced by current NRl clubs. Perth, Adelaide Christchurch etc have no team to get behind. If the game wants to grow it needs to go to new markets, not keep adding clubs to existing markets. I dont know how hard that can be for you to understand.

Not all markets are equal. Brisbane and Sydney are the two largest rugby league markets in the world.

Adelaide and Perth aren't rugby league markets. Never will be, either.

The fact you cannot understand this glaringly obvious fact is embarrassing.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

ok one last time:

Brisbane has 2 clubs Rl fans can support. It doesn't need a third whilst we have unserved markets elsewhere.

The jury is still out on Redcliffe, if in 5 years they are still the second largest club then great, if not then I guess the idea wasnt such a great one. And yes Id have rather seen Easts in with a brand appealing to whole of South Brisbane and playing FT out of Suncorp as a genuine Brisbane2 club, not what Dolphins ended up being playing games in a 10k stadium to appease tradition and called The, that's just BS.

HKR and HFC are not small teams in the context of SL. They are both A grade clubs. I have always said if there is a city that has a club bigger than HKR, and if HKR are the smallest club in Sl then I could accept we shouldn't be there anymore. But we are light years away from that being a reality. I like the grading system, it is a clear and honest appraisal of what clubs are fit to be in SL.

I think the NRl would be better off with a proper reserve grade and would like to see a genuine semi prof second tier competition below NRl. Its a total farce what exists now, no one cares, no one watches either state comp and its just a feeder for NRl and not doing that great a job at it.

That'll be my last response to you on this, I'm sick of going round in same circles with your BS derailing every thread.

You're sick of being called out for your hypocrisy and entitlement complex?

Deal with it.

Adelaide and Perth aren't in the same league as Brisbane and Sydney.

Didn't Toronto Wolfpack have a larger fanbase than Hull KR?

 

[Wb1234]

ok one last time:

Brisbane has 2 clubs Rl fans can support. It doesn't need a third whilst we have unserved markets elsewhere.

The jury is still out on Redcliffe, if in 5 years they are still the second largest club then great, if not then I guess the idea wasnt such a great one. And yes Id have rather seen Easts in with a brand appealing to whole of South Brisbane and playing FT out of Suncorp as a genuine Brisbane2 club, not what Dolphins ended up being playing games in a 10k stadium to appease tradition and called The, that's just BS.

HKR and HFC are not small teams in the context of SL. They are both A grade clubs. I have always said if there is a city that has a club bigger than HKR, and if HKR are the smallest club in Sl then I could accept we shouldn't be there anymore. But we are light years away from that being a reality. I like the grading system, it is a clear and honest appraisal of what clubs are fit to be in SL.

I think the NRl would be better off with a proper reserve grade and would like to see a genuine semi prof second tier competition below NRl. Its a total farce what exists now, no one cares, no one watches either state comp and its just a feeder for NRl and not doing that great a job at it.

That'll be my last response to you on this, I'm sick of going round in same circles with your BS derailing every thread

Super league doesn’t need two hull clubs whilst London Bradford toulouse shefffield Newcastle don’t have clubs

 

[Perth Red]

Super league doesn’t need two hull clubs whilst London Bradford toulouse shefffield Newcastle don’t have clubs

All of them places have clubs, just none of them are big enough to be in SL (except maybe Toulouse and Bradford who may be in next year anyway). When they are they will be. The idea you'd cut an A grade club to replace with a lower B grade or C grade club is nuts, even for you lol

 

[Perth Red]

Didn't Toronto Wolfpack have a larger fanbase than Hull KR?

No, they also couldn't pay their players.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

All of them places have clubs, just none of them are big enough to be in SL (except maybe Toulouse and Bradford who may be in next year anyway). When they are they will be. The idea you'd cut an A grade club to replace with a lower B grade or C grade club is nuts, even for you lol

Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite?

If you're going to say that London, Toulouse and Bradford have teams in the lower grades then guess what motherf**ker, so does Adelaide and Perth!

Aren't you always boasting about Perth having more clubs than Christchurch?

Using your logic, Perth is well serviced by its WARL clubs and doesn't need a spot in the NRL!

Now you're saying we shouldn't cut clubs that are viable, nor should we replace them with ones that aren't?

None of the WARL clubs are big enough to be in the NRL. Clubs like the Brisbane Tigers and Redcliffe Dolphins are big enough to be in the NRL.

See where I'm going with this?

Your whole argument is BRL clubs that are rich enough to survive and thrive in the NRL should be denied a spot because Adelaide and Perth don't have an NRL team.

In other words, the ARLC should create teams for Adelaide and Perth and then prop them up for eternity because they cannot support themselves, yet you're now saying it's insane to do the exact same thing in England?

Here's another point you've contradicted yourself on. For years you argued that the Dolphins cannot service southern Brisbane. You advocated for the Brisbane Tigers to have their spot because it can service southern Brisbane.

Now you're saying two clubs is enough to service all of Brisbane?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No, they also couldn't pay their players.

Neither could the Reds until News Ltd bailed them out in 1996.

Hull KR announced during their last home game of the season against Salford Red Devils last Saturday night that they had averaged 8,770 across their 13 league fixtures at Sewell Group Craven Park in 2023. That is 13% up on 2022, making it not only their highest in the Super League and since they moved to the "new" Craven Park ground in 1989, but even beating the figures they set in winning consecutive Championships in 1984 and 1985.

Attendance boost for Super League

www.superleague.co.uk

The Wolfpack averaged
7,882 in the second tier of British football in 2019.

2019 Toronto Wolfpack season - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wolfpack never got a chance in Super League due to COVID-19. The way they were treated by the RFL was disgusting. Expected to relocate to England and play in front of zero fans.

On 20 July, the club announced that they would be taking no further part in the restarted season, citing the "financial challenges" the club would be facing, including loss of gate money, medical testing and the hire of grounds in England, but that the club hoped that they would be competing in Super League in 2021.[14] The RFL and Super League issued a statement in response to the announcement, which said that both bodies were "very disappointed" by Toronto's decision, and that discussions about Toronto's future involvement in Super League would have to be held.

2020 Super League season - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How was the club supposed to make money to pay its players under that stipulation?

You whinge about the Reds having to cover travel and accommodation of visiting teams in the ARL, yet you expected the Wolfpack to cover the cost of relocating to England and playing in front of zero fans during COVID-19?

It takes some mental gymnastics to think the Wolfpack were treated fairly while arguing the Reds were dudded.

 

[Wb1234]

All of them places have clubs, just none of them are big enough to be in SL (except maybe Toulouse and Bradford who may be in next year anyway). When they are they will be. The idea you'd cut an A grade club to replace with a lower B grade or C grade club is nuts, even for you lol

Brisbane easts a grade club
Perth c grade club

so that means easts in before Perth

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Brisbane easts a grade club
Perth c grade club

so that means easts in before Perth

Exactly!

The Brisbane Tigers are richer than any team in Super League, despite not having an NRL licence. It's already projected that the Brisbane Tigers will be one of the four richest clubs in the NRL.

 

[flippikat]

Not all markets are equal. Brisbane and Sydney are the two largest rugby league markets in the world.

Adelaide and Perth aren't rugby league markets. Never will be, either.

The fact you cannot understand this glaringly obvious fact is embarrassing.

That's such defeatist thinking, it angers me.

Rugby League can *at least* find a niche in Perth & Adelaide that sustains a club, and there's strong rugby-heartland (ie a mix of unuon & league but virtually no AFL) markets in NZ outside Auckland that would support 1 more club here, quite possibly 2 more.

Brisbane should be at the back of the pack for further expansion until some un-tapped markets are capitalized on.