Yes they are not watching the "training run" but I think being able to watch rugby league would cement them as more loyal audience into the future . At the moment the AFL keeps dangling the carrot and maybe kids are not watching, but they definitely are aware of it. At every primary school I teach their is a kid that thinks AFL is the "bees knees" of football codes. The myth that it is anywhere near the toughness of rugby league is another issue. This did not happen 30 to 40 years ago!well they aren't watching flogball
There's a lot to question the media dopes at the NRL
Was recently in Canada for a tour of the Rockies, on the Sports Channel there were AFL games replayed. Spoke to a few people there, who said its just background stuff as no one knows what is going on, Asked if they saw NRL, no - there is nothing like that. Strange thing is that there are rugby posts everywhere, and even in Banff they were locals playing touch at the sports field ( which had rugby posts )
Why on earth haven't the NRL provided free of charge NRL games into places like Canada where they actually play some sort of rugby.
Guess Toddy Boy is too busy figuring out where Western Sydney is , as he seems to have no idea about that, even less concerning publicising the game in markets which have some background. In Vancouver they even have a boutique rugby league competition, the head in he sand attitude from League Headquarters under Greenberg remains
Yes. The issue is that rugby league is allowing other codes the free kick on free to air TV. At the moment the other codes are not gaining great ratings but this familiarity and the limited exposure of RL on free to air will ultimately reduce the visibility and popularity of the game, particularly with kids. The kids look for a sport to watch on weekends and if it's not on free to air, it is less likely to be viewed and become familiar with a developing person. The young kid is likely to think "This is the way it is. This must be the "in" football code. Think I'll have to play it as well?"
Another example is the blanket exposure of AFL at MacDonald's takeaway outlets last year. What do you think kids think when they are bombarded with this "in your face" advertising of AFL at the drivethrus throughout NSW & QLD? They get a perception that this must be the IN code!
Meanwhile rugby league has been sitting on its hands letting this all happen in their own backyard? Don't think I'll ever see an "in your face" drive thru rugby league advert in the states of Victoria & South Australia at any MacDonald's!
There's a reason companies spend billions of $'s a year on marketing! Until the NRl wake up to this fact we will continue to slide further into our little pools of interest. NRL cant do it in its own backyard, what hope of getting on the front foot in AFL territory? We get $100mill+ of contra advertising as part of the media deals, what's that going on? Why isn't the NRL linking up with KFC given we advertise the frickers so much? You can walk around Sydney or Brisbane city and not know at all that they are RL cities. Indeed last time in Sydney AFL had auskick set up in the city cbd area! Out TV and attendnaces are dropping (and don't even start to calculate them as a % of population growth because they are dropping even quicker). NRL needs to get on the front foot with significant national promotion. Playing one or two games a year in Adelaide or Perth and wallowing in the success of SOO isn't going to cut it for much longer.
There's a reason companies spend billions of $'s a year on marketing! Until the NRl wake up to this fact we will continue to slide further into our little pools of interest. NRL cant do it in its own backyard, what hope of getting on the front foot in AFL territory? We get $100mill+ of contra advertising as part of the media deals, what's that going on? Why isn't the NRL linking up with KFC given we advertise the frickers so much? You can walk around Sydney or Brisbane city and not know at all that they are RL cities. Indeed last time in Sydney AFL had auskick set up in the city cbd area! Out TV and attendnaces are dropping (and don't even start to calculate them as a % of population growth because they are dropping even quicker). NRL needs to get on the front foot with significant national promotion. Playing one or two games a year in Adelaide or Perth and wallowing in the success of SOO isn't going to cut it for much longer.
And despite all the advertising, all the money poured into Brisbane and Sydney,all the ads in Maccas stores ,where people appear to be more concerned getting their fries and Big Macs in a queue,the TV ratings are shockers.
And AWFUL via the Swans has been here since 1982,been in and won grand finals and been consistently in the top group,had the assistance of a SL war and the flick and amalgamation of 5 ARL teams, had love ins with the Sydney media.
They now have a Brisbane team losing millions over years not months,a Gold Coast team with a high profile player and their attendances have dwindled,the Gnats who are at the top yet no one gives a rats, this despite their grassroots growth.The fans have maintained decent crowds but outside attendees their TV ratings are static and ordinarily static.
I repeat whilst it's good to throw huge sums(if you've got it) around in marketing ,you want results .Grassroots growth is important but it is not translating into big growth in crowds or eyes on TV sets.
And until it sinks into your head, whilst our earlier TV deals were well under the AWFUL's,the fact that code had large sums of money in the bank in addition not sucked up by any type of SL war, they had money to throw around on grassroots and Maccas whilst we didn't .
And they learnt how to lobby Governments for financial assistance for stadiums,and grassroots,somnething our earlier administrators were hopeless at.
Gallop continually ignored requests by the Storm for development funding assistance, in an area with a team fighting to get a niche.He stuffed up even in places like Wagga.
And we under Smith decided to spend millions on high priced execs who achieved little, money that could have been spent on grassroots.How much extra would we have got, from Murdoch if Smith hadn't decided to go rogue?
The code can spend more money nationally repeat nationally on grassroots from the current deal 2018 onwards,provided @ the players don't get too greedy wanting too much of the pie b)Expansion is not pushed ahead too early as that means $26m taken out of the kitty.
Yes the AFL is ahead, but that code has had steady leadership, and a press even in non heartland areas
that rarely gives them a harsh word.
That code got into GPS and Assoc schools ,the NRL could not (and apparently has tried before)because of their union ties and the old school tie mob not wanting it.That certainly helped their AWFUL's cause.
Might I further add you won't get bigger crowds with stadiums like ANZ,and on TV when your major drawing teams are not performing like Dogs,Tigers and Dragons Knights,and when your scheduling is not family friendly.That is the situation currently facing the NRL.And getting a small crowd in Perth does not help crowd averages or viewing on the box.
Many clubs you did not mention have large followings as well. You adeptly write/mention about the private school situation and this is the most disturbing one.
That code got into GPS and Assoc schools ,the NRL could not (and apparently has tried before)because of their union ties and the old school tie mob not wanting it. That certainly helped their AWFUL's cause.
Given that the AFL has gained this traction in these private schools of NSW & QLD and RL still has not, that should be enough for the Rugby league development officers to publicize/lobby and perhaps "shame" the current treatment of rugby league in most private schools?
The majority of people are not aware of this "exclusion" that RL has faced for many decades! Remembering that the AFL is promoting a long-term strategy for a what is essentially a very ordinary football code that is much like an energetic training run for most rugby league players. My gut feel is that AFL has gained this extraordinary access to NSW & QLD private schools with the consent of rugby union behind closed doors. My hunch is that the rugby union people see AFL as another means of weakening rugby league's player ranks and the gratuity in return is AFL access to private school system.
If you look at the lengths at which rugby union has used its influence in other parts of the world this is not beyond their way of thinking and tactics to repress rugby league.
Not that I want to derail the thread with afl talk, but as taipan brought it up:
whilst you are correct their tv audiences are nothing to write home about in Sydney and Brisbane you'd be foolish to think since they started their expansion there hasn't been:
More people playing the game, more people watching the game and a heck of a lot more media coverage of the game in these two states than pre expansion. I'm pretty sure if we had a Storm club the size of the swans and an Adelaide club with the Lions membership and attendance we wouldn't be unhappy.
End of day there are reasons they continually dwarf us in TV deals and corporate support, a national footprint is one of those reasons.
Bit of a furphy suggesting the NRl hasn't pumped significant amount of money into the Storm since their inception, first of all through the money taken out of the game by their News ltd owners ($8mill a year) and then a guaranteed extra $4.5mill a year when ownership changed. Both codes know they have to invest in expansion if they are to be successful and sustainable with it.
you keep going on about Smiths salary and his high priced execs, the hard facts are that Greenburg is spending more on admin costs than Smith ever did. That is yet more money disappearing out of the game.
And do we really have to get into the $26million price of expansion (which in reality is probably going to be more like $30-35million) v's the value of a ninth game to sell again?
Weekend Ratings:
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Sat STV #NRL #FoxLeague #NRLStormEels National 244k
Sun STV #NRL #FoxLeague #NRLBulldogsKnights National 175k:
Sun TV #NRL #NRLBulldogsKnights Nine/Gem 528k:
Total Sunday game 703k
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So they should want to play rugby league. It's a better code!
However the problem occurs when RL may dwindle and RU bounces back, not by being attractive but by default, in the guise of a RL ally but actually undermining RL then prevailing due to its establishment backing.
I doubt whether RL has genuinely used its public profile to gain traction into private schools? Shear public pressure and amazement as what is really going on should promote change. And change does occur!
If people are now following RL in Canada surely the private school system can finally become truly inclusive instead of being inwardly biased against RL in of all places Australia where the game is the number 1 rugby code!?
In fact it has tried.The Sport's master at the school I attended was a former first grade rl player, they still played union.Blocker Roach's son went to Riverview and Blocker tried to get the code into the school, and it's not there now.
The trouble is now, union is getting smaller in these private schools due to the inroads of Wendy ball and AWFUL.That means the chances of the GPS and Assoc schools councils full of old school tiers, getting rl on the sporting agenda is much less possible ,than it was prior IMO.
If the NRL use their cash wisely instead of on high flyers ,listens to the grassroots and volunteers,promotes and eventually expands, has the better stadiums promised, they should grow not only their crowds but their grassroots base.And the players act like responsible citizens rather than the odd one carrying on like a d*ckhead ,so the media can have a go.