NRL and its clubs are expected to palm-off expansion until 2014 or 2015

[betcats]

There is a perception amongst some Qlders that the Titans focus too much on the Nthern NSW area for their jnrs rather than from the Tweed up, making them not a "true Qld team".

Hmm a bit like the QLD origin team then.

 

[rednblack]

There is a perception amongst some Qlders that the Titans focus too much on the Nthern NSW area for their jnrs rather than from the Tweed up, making them not a "true Qld team".

Well bugger me, make sure no-one tells the anti-NSW dimwits that we've actually got 11 teams in the state now!
Or is that 12 if we include Canberra as well?

For f*uck's sake, make up your minds. You can't complain that there are too many teams in NSW if you're not even gonna claim the ones you have up there!

And if the Titans can't find juniors on their own side of the border, wouldn't another SEQ side be a dilution, just as the anti-NSW fraternity are claiming against the CC? Can't have it both ways boys, which is it?

What a fu*kin joke.

 

[Joker's Wild]

I agree rnb, it is a joke but the opinion is there amongst some Qlders. There is a massive gap between Newcastle and the GC, about 1000kms worth, and expecting the Titans to stop recruiting at the Tweed river is silly to say the least.

Funny how the Broncos long relationship with Farrer Agricultural boarding school near Tamworth gets conveniently forgotten though.

 

[adamkungl]

LOL @ the idiots saying we'll dictate terms but stick our hands out for a 150% increase in coin.

We're giving them the ratings...better ratings than AFL. A bit of self-respect is in order. Foxtel would die in months without Rugby League. 9 Wouldn't be far behind, that station has been f**ked for everything other than sport for years.

 

[AuDragon]

I agree rnb, it is a joke but the opinion is there amongst some Qlders. There is a massive gap between Newcastle and the GC, about 1000kms worth, and expecting the Titans to stop recruiting at the Tweed river is silly to say the least.

Funny how the Broncos long relationship with Farrer Agricultural boarding school near Tamworth gets conveniently forgotten though.

This has to do more with perception than anything else, and the Titans using the resources south of the tweed is not what it's about.
No one is expecting them to ignore the resources available to them in that area, but I would expect them to be more active in the local clubs and schools... The Broncos just pinched 2 of the most promising GC youngsters right under their nose.

Regardless, look at the Titans teams since their inception...

Who besides Scott Prince, Ash Harrison, and to a minor degree Mat Rogers, did they have in their team that was a recognisable Qld figure, when compared to their NSW counterparts: John Cartwright, Luke Bailey, Preston Campbell, Anthony Lafranchi, Mark Minichiello, Greg Bird, etc...
Of this lot, only Preston Campbell is a local.

Their most successful team in 2010 consisted of 9 NSW'men, 5 Qld'ers and 3 NZL'ers.

Hardly screams Queensland, does it?

 

[rednblack]

This has to do more with perception than anything else, and the Titans using the resources south of the tweed is not what it's about.
No one is expecting them to ignore the resources available to them in that area, but I would expect them to be more active in the local clubs and schools... The Broncos just pinched 2 of the most promising GC youngsters right under their nose.

Regardless, look at the Titans teams since their inception...

Who besides Scott Prince, Ash Harrison, and to a minor degree Mat Rogers, did they have in their team that was a recognisable Qld figure, when compared to their NSW counterparts: John Cartwright, Luke Bailey, Preston Campbell, Anthony Lafranchi, Mark Minichiello, Greg Bird, etc...
Of this lot, only Preston Campbell is a local.

Their most successful team in 2010 consisted of 9 NSW'men, 5 Qld'ers and 3 NZL'ers.

Hardly screams Queensland, does it?

You're exactly right, in that it really doesn't matter where their playing staff come from. Most of the Storm players come from the northern states, but that doesn't stop the club identifying themselves as victorian.
If queenslanders can't embrace the (now established) Titans as a queensland team, what hope will a new club have?

I wouldn't expect them to ignore the talent that they find south of the border, not for a moment, but if the established teams in SEQ can't be bothered to scout for the local talent in and around Brisbane, then why would a new team choose to do so?

Since it seems (according to this argument) that the actual location of a team is irrelevant, then I can only assume that people will stop with the "more teams in Queensland, less in NSW" dribble.

Yeah right...

 

[Perth Red]

Since it seems (according to this argument) that the actual location of a team is irrelevant, then I can only assume that people will stop with the "more teams in Queensland, less in NSW" dribble.

Yeah right...

I haven;t heard any argument suggest that jnr talent in the local area is a big issue for or against. Every team scouts the country and other countires for the best talent they can snare. Location arguments have centred around TV viewership, corporate support/cannibalisation, and to a lesser degree supporter level potential.

 

[AuDragon]

You're exactly right, in that it really doesn't matter where their playing staff come from. Most of the Storm players come from the northern states, but that doesn't stop the club identifying themselves as victorian.
If queenslanders can't embrace the (now established) Titans as a queensland team, what hope will a new club have?

I wouldn't expect them to ignore the talent that they find south of the border, not for a moment, but if the established teams in SEQ can't be bothered to scout for the local talent in and around Brisbane, then why would a new team choose to do so?

Since it seems (according to this argument) that the actual location of a team is irrelevant, then I can only assume that people will stop with the "more teams in Queensland, less in NSW" dribble.

Yeah right...

Nice try, but no.

There are plenty of untapped resources in Qld, especially around Brisbane and only a fool would ignore those. There are 2 established teams in SEQ, and last time I checked, one of them has brought more Qld talent forth since its inception, than all the other NRL teams together...

There is a reason the QCup sh!ts all over the NSW cup. There is a reason many teams, like Manly, Canberra or the Storm, scout and recruit in the SEQ corner, and it'd definitely not because there aren't enough teams in NSW or too many in SEQ!

 

[rednblack]

I haven;t heard any argument suggest that jnr talent in the local area is a big issue for or against. Every team scouts the country and other countires for the best talent they can snare. Location arguments have centred around TV viewership, corporate support/cannibalisation, and to a lesser degree supporter level potential.

Neither had I PR, but the sentiments above are to effect that the Titans are essentially another NSW team.

I don't believe that local junior talent is the only reason any particular club should be invited to join the NRL, but to say the Titans are not really a SEQ team (an suggest that really they're more a NSW team than anything, just because they use NSW born players) is a joke.

 

[rednblack]

Nice try, but no.

There are plenty of untapped resources in Qld, especially around Brisbane and only a fool would ignore those. There are 2 established teams in SEQ, and last time I checked, one of them has brought more Qld talent forth since its inception, than all the other NRL teams together...

There is a reason the QCup sh!ts all over the NSW cup. There is a reason many teams, like Manly, Canberra or the Storm, scout and recruit in the SEQ corner, and it'd definitely not because there aren't enough teams in NSW or too many in SEQ!

So you're saying the Titans are fools then?

I don't believe, nor ever suggested, that there are too many teams in SEQ. But if everyone else can find talent from the region, why can't the local club (Titans)? Must be, as you suggested, that they're fools. If that's the case, do we really want such a foolhardy club in the competition? Maybe it's them that need to make way for a WC team, and not the sharks/eagles?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Nice try, but no.

There are plenty of untapped resources in Qld, especially around Brisbane and only a fool would ignore those. There are 2 established teams in SEQ, and last time I checked, one of them has brought more Qld talent forth since its inception, than all the other NRL teams together...

There is a reason the QCup sh!ts all over the NSW cup. There is a reason many teams, like Manly, Canberra or the Storm, scout and recruit in the SEQ corner, and it'd definitely not because there aren't enough teams in NSW or too many in SEQ!

Thats a load of crap. Every team scouts for players where the potential is. Qld, Nsw, Nz, China it's irrelevant. If a scout see's something in a junior he'll do what it takes to get that juniors signature for his club. The reason the Qcup shits on the NSWcup is all to due with the way they've been managed as a whole. The fact that NSWcup is getting it's act together now, seems to point them in the right direction.

Every team buys players that their coaching ranks think will give their roster a boost. Sure some have more local talent than others but that doesn't mean that the clubs aren't developing their own patch, it just might be a few seasons away from producing results. The Cowboys at one stage had ODonnell, Southern, Williams from NSW and a bunch of Kiwi's. Does that mean they are any less a QLD based side? Or the Panthers who not long ago had more kiwi internationals than you could poke a stick with? Again does that make them any less a NSW based side?

In the 70's Manly had a big Qld contigent in their side, 80's it was Raiders, 90's it was the Bears.

On certain clubs chosing interstate feeder clubs, most of it has to do with set up costs. When the NRL did away with reserve grade, many clubs had to find alternatives. But now it's slowly changing back to how it used to be.

 

[AuDragon]

Bears fans, Warnie could definitely learn a trick or two from them! :lol:

Before we know, they'll try to spin a story that makes Gosford and surroundings richer in untapped RL resources and more attractive to broadcasters than SEQ!

Oh wait... :sarcasm:

 

[firechild]

The thing is, with the GC, given a strong breeze they could piss across the NSW border from the top of their grandstand (and given what we've seen of Queensland league fans, someone may have just tried it). They are going to try to appeal to the Northern NSW league fans who have no team as much as they are going to target those further north. No other Queensland club would be in the same position. A 2nd Brisbane team or one in Ipswitch, Mackay or anywhere else in QLD is not going to have the same appeal to regional NSW league fans. I don't think drawing a parallel between GC and any new QLD club has any merit in this regard.

 

[AuDragon]

The thing is, with the GC, given a strong breeze they could piss across the NSW border from the top of their grandstand (and given what we've seen of Queensland league fans, someone may have just tried it). They are going to try to appeal to the Northern NSW league fans who have no team as much as they are going to target those further north. No other Queensland club would be in the same position. A 2nd Brisbane team or one in Ipswitch, Mackay or anywhere else in QLD is not going to have the same appeal to regional NSW league fans. I don't think drawing a parallel between GC and any new QLD club has any merit in this regard.

FU B!tch! :mrgreen:

And stop making sense too!

 

[redvscotty]

AFL is looking more and more attractive.

I am sick of our sports infighting and bullshit. One jaded fan....

Must be that fighting Queerslander spirit shining through.

AFL is gay.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Bears fans, Warnie could definitely learn a trick or two from them! :lol:

Before we know, they'll try to spin a story that makes Gosford and surroundings richer in untapped RL resources and more attractive to broadcasters than SEQ!

Oh wait... :sarcasm:

Considering Newcastle Knights have officially left the Central Coast, to have their own reserve grade (NSW Cup) team based in Newcastle, your comments above wreaks of irony. Because it is now officially untapped. So quick NRL, get the CC Bears up so we can set up the CC Cubs through out the grades and utilize those resources.

BTW: if you're from Brisbane and obviously of Portuguese heritage then I have to ask, Carole Park or Pinkenba?

 

[bobmar28]

There is a perception amongst some Qlders that the Titans focus too much on the Nthern NSW area for their jnrs rather than from the Tweed up, making them not a "true Qld team".

Even though it spills over into northern NSW the Gold Coast is QLD. where they get their juniors is up to them.

 

[Goddo]

The Queensland Cup funding structure is being disrupted by the NRL booting NSW/ACT based backers out of Queensland. Its boosting the NSW Cup, but leaving a void behind.

Another team in SE Qld will help stabilise the Q Cup. If the NRL expands in Gosford, something will still have to give as far as Queensland is concerned - its an undertapped market currently. Another Brisbane metro NRL side adds a lot to the game

- at NRL level with TV rights, advertising, attendences and sponsorship
- Toyota Cup level (gives Queensland based tallent new pathways through U16, U18, U20 comps without leaving Queensland)
- at Queensland Cup level (an NRL afiliate arangement for 2-3 Q Cup clubs provides funding, training, coaching and reserves)
- Juniors (more local oportunities)

Maybe a big pot of money for a relocation from Sydney? This then raises the question, why expand in Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong basin when the market is saturated currently?

It is geniused that we have as many professional clubs in Brisabne as AFL, Soccer and Rugby Union.

It is no surprise that expansion bids in Queensland are heavily supported or driven by current and past Queensland cup clubs looking for strong ties to an NRL licence:

Ipswich, Toowoomba, Logan? behind Western Corridor;
Redcliffe, Sunshine Coast, Logan? behind Bombers;
East Brisbane proposed bid (which died as far as I can tell);
CQ Comets in Rockhampton supporting the CQ bid

 

[Joker's Wild]

Considering Newcastle Knights have officially left the Central Coast, to have their own reserve grade (NSW Cup) team based in Newcastle, your comments above wreaks of irony. Because it is now officially untapped. So quick NRL, get the CC Bears up so we can set up the CC Cubs through out the grades and utilize those resources.

Not true mate, the Knights still have strong links with the CC

Stone said the Knights would continue to foster rugby league on the Central Coast through that region’s own junior representative teams, then steering them towards the Knights once they graduated into the senior ranks.

http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/sport/rugby-league/knights-return-to-roots/2332098.aspx?storypage=0

 

[Joker's Wild]

Even though it spills over into northern NSW the Gold Coast is QLD. where they get their juniors is up to them.

Tell AuDragon that mate, not me