NRL boss Dave Smith embarks on quest of massive reforms

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

What's wrong with Junior Development as it stands now? It seems ARLC want to change everything to be different then the old management

They may change nothing...

But the review is not only necessary but vital!! Its not enough to say "it should stay this way because thats how we're always done it".

If they review finds that the current system is adequate then they will probably leave it, but that doesn't mean the review was unnecessary...

 

[franklin2323]

My fear is that if clubs were no longer responsible for development, who is going to go scout talent and compete for them with other codes. Could really be shooting ourselves in the foot somewhat.

It goes further then that. Pretty much any elite young player jump age groups. Why would someone like Hopoate, Hayne, Brooks etc be put anywhere near another grade knowing that when they turn 18 they are going to the open market.

So all player development will be affected for the worse

 

[franklin2323]

They may change nothing...

But the review is not only necessary but vital!! Its not enough to say "it should stay this way because thats how we're always done it".

If they review finds that the current system is adequate then they will probably leave it, but that doesn't mean the review was unnecessary...

If there was a problem I would be all for it but it's not broken so really seems like a waste of time

 

[byrner]

The National Union Comp is designed to compete directly with the NRL for supporters...

It wont be anywhere near as big or successful, but the focus of their new structure is gaining supporters.

The RL already has this in the NRL, lower grades wont be there to compete with the NRL. The reserve grade is more focused on players than fans; if nobody goes to watch a NSW Cup game, but the games develop players into NRL standard athletes then NSW Cup is considered successful in what it was designed for.

Reserve Grade doesnt even need to be state wide, really. If there were enough players, they could have separate comps in every city and it would still achieve its purpose.

A National Reserve grade is unnecessary and expensive....

Considering they are offering non Super Rugby player 5k over 11 weeks, I think you are right. The NRC iz going to be shyt and will never compete with the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

It's interesting, clubs who you would think would be against the draft as they have a large Jnr development area have, generally, over the last few years been the ones who have struggled in the competition. Clubs with little jnr development are the ones who have been contesting the GF's. Not sure what this says about if a draft is necessary, who will benefit the most and if it will create a more even competition?

Also the tribalism thing is a furphy, when you have two "tribes" next to each playing in front of sub 15k crowds it tells you how much it matters tot he avg Joe in the street.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Considering they are offering non Super Rugby player 5k over 11 weeks, I think you are right. The NRC iz going to be shyt and will never compete with the NRL.

But the NRC is not their to compete with the NRL at this point, it's just there to provide another level of competition that is lacking for that sport currently.

 

[typicalfan]

Because players still have the freedom to decide where they want to play and for a lot of players that's staying in their home city and playing with the intention to play for one club.

You are talking about the vast minority. These things are all part of professional sport.

 

[typicalfan]

If there was a problem I would be all for it but it's not broken so really seems like a waste of time

I can't believe you can say with a straight face that there are no issues with our recruitment and junior development.

Being a Penrith fan yourself you should know that club mismanagement can impact junior development. It has taken Gus to turn it around. The NRL cannot continue to rely on poorly run clubs to provide the future of the game. The sooner this stuff gets centralised the better imo.

 

[franklin2323]

I can't believe you can say with a straight face that there are no issues with our recruitment and junior development.

Being a Penrith fan yourself you should know that club mismanagement can impact junior development. It has taken Gus to turn it around. The NRL cannot continue to rely on poorly run clubs to provide the future of the game. The sooner this stuff gets centralised the better imo.

The fact we were lazy and had poor talent indentification doesn't mean the system is broken. Hell we would of had only 5 players on contract if they had their way. Elliott didn't rate Wade Graham. Cleary didn't rate Austin both would of been great for us.

Lets use 2 years as the length of these contracts. Tigers won the NYC 2 years ago so fair to say they had the best juniors? Still here they sit outside the 8 and there would be nothing stopping a Bigger club from offering them huge money.

Would they be so loyal if they haven't came through the ranks together? I don't think so.

Any longer just wont happen as in the case of Karl Filiga and Waddell for us. Just too risky

 

[Canard]

The Draft could be arranged such that teams get a least one pick from there region as a priority anyway.

For example you would want to rig it, much like the AFL does, that the Storm would get the choice of at least 1 (if not 2) developing Victorian players.

That combined with a father/son rule would mean that kids not getting to choose who they play could be eliminated somewhat.

 

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If player development is centralised it will make it a lot easier to get rid of clubs...

 

[Canard]

If player development is centralised it will make it a lot easier to get rid of clubs...

That's tinfoil stuff.

I doubt it would be any impediment to getting "rid" of clubs whatsoever.

 

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That's tinfoil stuff.

I doubt it would be any impediment to getting "rid" of clubs whatsoever.

it's certainly less reason to keep some.

 

[RWB]

You are talking about the vast minority. These things are all part of professional sport.

It might be a minority but at least everyone gets the freedom of choice.

Surely above all else that's the most important thing here.

 

[Edwahu]

I can't believe you can say with a straight face that there are no issues with our recruitment and junior development.

Being a Penrith fan yourself you should know that club mismanagement can impact junior development. It has taken Gus to turn it around. The NRL cannot continue to rely on poorly run clubs to provide the future of the game. The sooner this stuff gets centralised the better imo.

What happens if the NRL stuffs it up after it's centralised?

 

[Canard]

it's certainly less reason to keep some.

Look at the flipside, you think the ARLC would KEEP an NRL team in the comp because of its junior development?

I doubt that very much. Especially in a market as crowded as Sydney where teams would champ at the bit to take over the area.

PS Im not an advocate for removing ANY teams.

 

[oikee]

You don't think Knights shouldn't be able to keep everyone one of the NYC team that's 1st and u16's that won the comp?

Canberra had the best juniors in 08 and for various reasons they didn't work out.

Thurston just signed a 4 year deal why should a halfback be forced to wait behind him because some offical wanted him.

The fact is we have a great system now no reason to change it

I dont know what your getting at, why would the cowboys want a halfback. ?
They would not get first pick, and they would not pick a halfback in the draft.

I dont think you even have a clue how a draft works.

 

[oikee]

Homesickness is a huge factor in the draft. It's not uncommon for kids to be drafted in the AFL and tell their clubs that they want to go back home. It's been a big problem especially amongst indigenous players. And we're going to be dealing with another country in NZ!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...layers-part-of-cba-review-20140113-30qv8.html

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/cultur...ak-indigenous-afl-players-20140402-zqph1.html

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ze...western-bulldogs/story-fnelctok-1226516756571

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3278719.htm

They travel now at the age of 15. How many kids are plucked from home to play for clubs in another state.
Your clutching at straws and a typical Rooster fan. Look after number 1, screw the other 15.

The draft might kick in for players turning 19 or 20. At that age they will not only be young men, but also should be adopted into the new team structure.
I was living away from home at the age of 17, as most of us were, should we buy some cotton wool to go with that baby powder.
Eat some cement.

 

[typicalfan]

If player development is centralised it will make it a lot easier to get rid of clubs...

Can't have a competition without them.

 

[franklin2323]

I dont know what your getting at,

If they come last they would no one saw Sharks/Newcastle being down there this year JT & co being injured & who knows.

If they aren't are NQ player they go by stats. No matter the level or the years halves are always on top on the pile. NHL never have Defenders as 1st pick. NFL almost always a QB the same would happen here.

I know plenty about the draft all of which shows it won't work.

Here's an example: Players refuses the draft. Signs 3 months later with a 'feeder' team then plays with the team they want. Gets a callup to NRL