NRL boss Dave Smith embarks on quest of massive reforms

[Perth Red]

If they come last they would no one saw Sharks/Newcastle being down there this year JT & co being injured & who knows.

If they aren't are NQ player they go by stats. No matter the level or the years halves are always on top on the pile. NHL never have Defenders as 1st pick. NFL almost always a QB the same would happen here.

I know plenty about the draft all of which shows it won't work.

Here's an example: Players refuses the draft. Signs 3 months later with a 'feeder' team then plays with the team they want. Gets a callup to NRL

It can and will work, as it does in numerous other sports. If it is needed and if it will help junior development are different questions.

You can't not enter the draft and then just sign for a club a few weeks later through a feeder team. Not entering the draft makes you inelligible that season and you have to put up for the next one.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Look at the flipside, you think the ARLC would KEEP an NRL team in the comp because of its junior development?

I doubt that very much. Especially in a market as crowded as Sydney where teams would champ at the bit to take over the area.

PS Im not an advocate for removing ANY teams.

Funny that, because you could make a very good argument that it is because of too many teams in NSW that this has even become an issue.

 

[Perth Red]

Funny that, because you could make a very good argument that it is because of too many teams in NSW that this has even become an issue.

What is the issue? I am struggling to see why the NRl would want to make such a fundamental change, it is not really broken and no promises that anything will be better with a draft. At the moment the system actually works for both groups, clubs with big jnr areas get to keep the pick of the talent if they wish and manage their cap well, clubs with few jnrs get to sign others to develop into good first graders. Who benefits the most from a draft? Funnily enough probably a future Perth team!

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

What is the issue? I am struggling to see why the NRl would want to make such a fundamental change, it is not really broken and no promises that anything will be better with a draft. At the moment the system actually works for both groups, clubs with big jnr areas get to keep the pick of the talent if they wish and manage their cap well, clubs with few jnrs get to sign others to develop into good first graders. Who benefits the most from a draft? Funnily enough probably a future Perth team!

It is nothing but yet another pig headed attempt to kneecap the bigger clubs (yes, Brisbane included) for the sake of giving a leg up to a few smaller clubs that will never be successful and the NRL know it. It's just easier to do this than to tell the fanbases of those clubs that "hey, the club you support is a basket case, and their existence is a handicap to the competitions growth, so we've decided to pull the pin. Also, we're scared shitless that the AFL will use the opportunity to jump in our grave, we just don't want to publicly say that."

 

[typicalfan]

It might be a minority but at least everyone gets the freedom of choice.

Surely above all else that's the most important thing here.

What if the choice is more money or less money. The draft would be add value to the competition that would mean also the players pockets will receive a bonus. And the soap opera that is the NRL would go nuts. Everyone has an opinion on this topic which is why it would be successful.

 

[franklin2323]

You can't not enter the draft and then just sign for a club a few weeks later through a feeder team.

American sports have the college system that gets them used to being away from home etc. AFL has no competition so can do what they want.

No court will allow it to happen. You can't force an 18yo to move interstate/overseas & ban them from playing the sport.

A few NYC players already have kids. If you exempt them then there really is no point to the draft as you aren't getting the best.

Still doesn't stop the player from signing elsewhere after the 2 years or so is up. Look at the Tigers they re-signed to play with mates from juniors. Long term that's what they need to become a top side.

 

[betcats]

They will certainly struggle to get this off the ground, they will lose any legal challenge imo.

Perth red if you are so sure this will work the what are the details of it? How will it run? Lol you know nothing you have just jumped on board because you think it will help your non-existent team.

 

[shiznit]

Under-20s comp key to luring union stars
Last updated 08:50 12/08/2014
BRAD WALTER

The scrapping of the under-20s National Youth Competiton would impact heavily on the ability of clubs to convince New Zealand schoolboy rugby union stars to follow the lead of Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Konrad Hurrell and switch codes.

While some within the game believe the Holden Cup is too expensive and does not provide the best development pathway to the NRL, the profile of the competition has been a valuable recruitment tool for luring young rugby union players to the Warriors and Australian-based clubs.

Tuivasa-Sheck represented the New Zealand rugby union schoolboys team in 2011 before joining the Sydney Roosters the following season, while Hurrell was signed by the Warriors the same year after being spotted playing for Auckland Grammar's 1st XV.

"One of the reasons Roger came across was for the opportunity to train full-time and play in that under-20s system, which rugby union here [in Australia] and in New Zealand can't offer," Roosters recruitment manager Peter O'Sullivan said.

Rookie Warriors centre Ngani Laumape is another from a rugby union school in New Zealand now making his mark in the NRL after switching codes to play in the NYC competition, while the club's NSW Cup and under-20s teams have several other players recruited from the 15-man game.

With all of the Junior Warriors matches televised in New Zealand, the profile of the under-20s competition is a strong lure for young players choosing between the rival codes.

"There has been a few kids who have obviously been wooed by the under-20s competition and the profile that the under-20s competition gets does help in trying to win the hearts of those young players," NZRL high performance general manager Tony Iro said.

"Rugby union is always going to be the No.1 game here but it has certainly had its desired impact in giving our game some profile and especially highlighting the pathway for those up-and-coming kids."

Former Warriors fullback Omar Slaimankhel, who plays rugby union in Japan, also went to Auckland Grammar and was instrumental in convincing Hurrell to switch codes, while Laumape attended Palmerston North Boys' High and was a New Zealand schoolboys rugby union representative.

Outside backs Solomone Kata, who played for the Warriors in this year's NRL Nines, and Ngataua Hukatai - another New Zealand schoolboys representative from one of the country's poshest schools, Kings College - and prop Albert Vete, who was captain of St Kentigern College's 1st XV, are playing in the NSW Cup but all are still eligible for the under 20s.

"Obviously the Warriors would be the club that would be most effected by any change to the under-20s competition and from a New Zealand perspective we have to make sure we keep a pathway open for our best kids so that the NRL is still an option for them," Iro said.

Auckland Grammar coach Alistair Patterson, who spotted Hurrell playing union for Tonga, told Fairfax Media soon after the hulking centre joined the Warriors that he would have been a star in either code but had no problems with him playing NRL.

"The Junior Warriors, that competition they play in is just outstanding," Patterson said.

"He made the right decision. The Warriors were keen to help him out and we had no issues with him going to league."

- Sydney Morning Herald

From: http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10373751/Under-20s-comp-key-to-luring-union-stars

The NZ Rugby Union will be loving all this talk... It makes it far less appealing for the best young athletes to play RL.

 

[chrisD]

Terrible idea, won't happen, clubs won't let it.

 

[Canard]

No court will allow it to happen. You can't force an 18yo to move interstate/overseas & ban them from playing the sport.

Still doesn't stop the player from signing elsewhere after the 2 years or so is up. Look at the Tigers they re-signed to play with mates from juniors. Long term that's what they need to become a top side.

It would only occur if the RLPA signed off on it. The NRL doesn't go to court to allow it to happen.

I have no issue with a player going elsewhere after 2 years, the object of the draft isn't to get a player to stay at a club for ever. For example 2 years of SBW is better than none.

 

[Perth Red]

They will certainly struggle to get this off the ground, they will lose any legal challenge imo.

Perth red if you are so sure this will work the what are the details of it? How will it run? Lol you know nothing you have just jumped on board because you think it will help your non-existent team.

If you read my posts you'll see I am generally against it, I don't think the current system is broken and can see no major reasons you would make such a radical change to the games structure. When I said it will work I meant if the NRL decide they want it, clubs and rips support it then they will implime it and make it happen.

 

[betcats]

If you read my posts you'll see I am generally against it, I don't think the current system is broken and can see no major reasons you would make such a radical change to the games structure. When I said it will work I meant if the NRL decide they want it, clubs and rips support it then they will implime it and make it happen.

Fair enough, sorry for jumping the gun.

I mean im against it without knowing the details but I just cant see any format of draft that would be better for my team. Also I haven't seen any reason how it could be better for the Nrl in general, since the two dont always go hand in hand.

 

[oikee]

Keep the under 20's, add the draft for the top young players up to under 20.
That way no poaching of young players can be made and all players are Young Men by then.

Dave smith has got to start to understand how growth of the code will happen, without too much effort. Expand Brisbane (3 teams, even if he needs to move the Titans to Logan, do it now, not in 5 years time), expand NZ (they need another team, NOW) and bring in Perth.

He is sitting on a gold mine with Parra and Newcastle, support and grow these two powerhouse teams.

Stop pissing the fans about with shitehouse stadium options. Build some new mega stadiums for Manly, Canberra and Cowboys, and a 50 thousand for heartland Parra, so 5-6 teams can use the sucker and Sydney gets a purpose built stadium in our heartlands.

No more monday nites until crowds reach 30 thousand. Fior the love of Benji, stand up and run the code, stop being a Gallop. Action now,,,,, not in 3-5 years. Fans are bored with slow moving muppets, bring in the captians challenge now, next year, dont hang fans out to dry for another year for f#cks sake.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

Terrible idea, won't happen, clubs won't let it.

But it's only the Easts that think it's a terrible idea.

 

[Canard]

Stop pissing the fans about with shitehouse stadium options. Build some new mega stadiums for Manly, Canberra and Cowboys, and a 50 thousand for heartland Parra, so 5-6 teams can use the sucker and Sydney gets a purpose built stadium in our heartlands.

This can't happen with Fed funding, which a conservative government in budget slashing mode is never going to give.

3 stadiums = $1B+ in today's Australia economy. That's the entire TV contract up in smoke with no funding to the clubs.

Maybe the NRL could build one stadium in Sydney and slash ALL clubs funding by 30%, Im not against that but I reckon the clubs would.

 

[chrisD]

But it's only the Easts that think it's a terrible idea.

Penrith, Parra or Broncos have said they'd be happy with sending their juniors off to other clubs via draft?

 

[Perth Red]

This can't happen with Fed funding, which a conservative government in budget slashing mode is never going to give.

3 stadiums = $1B+ in today's Australia economy. That's the entire TV contract up in smoke with no funding to the clubs.

Maybe the NRL could build one stadium in Sydney and slash ALL clubs funding by 30%, Im not against that but I reckon the clubs would.

Or get nsw govt to give the land, a developer to build it and NRL rent it at a return the developer is happy with.

 

[supercharger]

NHL never have Defenders as 1st pick.

Whuuuh? Aaron Ekblad, Erik Johnson, Chris Phillips, Bryan Berard and Ed Jovanovski, were all taken at number one.

 

[oikee]

This can't happen with Fed funding, which a conservative government in budget slashing mode is never going to give.

3 stadiums = $1B+ in today's Australia economy. That's the entire TV contract up in smoke with no funding to the clubs.

Maybe the NRL could build one stadium in Sydney and slash ALL clubs funding by 30%, Im not against that but I reckon the clubs would.

I know what your saying, but let's get real.
Under the labor government, Billions was spent on AFL spending and stadiums. They are still building a big white elephant in Perth.
Queensland is in 80 billion debt at state level from massive over-spending on everything from AFL grants to tunnels.

NSW is not in debt at state level. They need to build some stadiums for League, Soccer and Union.
Stop pissing in AFL's pants, the game is boring, watching grow men in shorts and singlets, punching balls and kicking a ball between 4 posts then giving each other a hug and kiss is not the way forward, nor entertaining. .
We need world-class stadium for world-class games. Soccer, Union and league which is growing worldwide.
AFL is not a worldgame, never will be.

We had 56 thousand turn up to a Juvenus game, that would have been perfect for a new 50 thousand stadium in Sydney's west.

 

[oikee]

Sydney is being sold down the drain by lack of competition. The airport holds a monopoly, same as the 80 thousand white elephant, ANZ.
Roosters are holding the code of league to ransom.
Parramatta and the west is league heartland, yet we have again sold our soles to areas devoid of growth. Bondi and Manly.

Time to wake up the giant, we were asleep at the wheel with Gallop, we still seem to be asleep.
Grow Nines, expand into our true heartlands and Perth, improve and build new stadiums, and grow this code. We have stagnated since superleague.