NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[Canard]

Exactly Adamkungl! You nailed it. I ring and email the NRL with ideas and suggestions from time to time

I don't know why, but this made me laugh uncontrollably.

 

[BuffaloRules]

It's a shame the media and clubs weren't as hard on Gallop when he was "leading" the game maybe the game would be in a lot stronger position.

Then again........

This was when News Ltd owned 50% of the game and Gallop's best mates were Bourbon Bec and Slothfield..

News Ltd had agendas to keep broadcast revenue and costs down which worked well...

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Clubs never have the game at heart. If they did they would accept the kpi's the Nrl want to impose on the clubs. The biggest push back seems like it's from the club bosses that ran the show back in the gallop era. Those days are long gone and they need to realize that.
I think the Nrl management are trying to move forward but the clubs and media always try to put road blocks up.

Yes the Nrl management could reign in spending, I don't disagree with that. But trying to make the clubs, media and players happy seems impossible.

 

[taipan]

Forget Gallop(short changer of TV deals and no Govt lobbyer).No marketing nous.
Forget Smith(screwed the code $300m over 5 years by upsetting Rupert and having expensive NRL operators who did zilch and now gone.No rl empathy.
Forget Grant(who makes an amateurish verbal undertaking of 130% of salary cap to clubs, then oops 12 months later things have changed sorry).A benevolent dictator who loved the limelight.

We need a chairman(business background) with an affinity for the game, who is prepared to stay out of the limelight, but is not prepared to take BS from within or without.

Gyngell ? Who knows! Phil Gould? Hell no.

The clubs are out to cover their financial a*ses,the NRL to split the money pie and ensure the right structures are in place.
If people on both sides with business acumen (and they supposedly have it),cannot sit around a boardroom table and formulate deals that mean:
1) Decent monies for grassroots to continue the production line.And that means an alignment in marketing the game at that level, instead of the hotpotch hit and miss approach.Geez the fumblers have Auskickwhich is effective.
2) A salary cap that ensures we keep our top line players.
3) Selling off of two NRL clubs.
4) A strategy/timeline of when and where to expand.
Then they should steer clear of being involved in the game.

If they can't do it,I'll get my mates and I , who have solved the world's problems, to do it.Bang heads together, it's a reality check fellas, get moving the code is self destructing whilst Rome burns.Forget the ego trips, we're here for the good of the game.

 

[Raiderdave]

Laughable point of view.. Let's have no clubs in Syd, Mel, Bris etc replaced with PNG and Central Coast...

You need to keep holding firm on something..

whats laughable is the tail wagging the dog
clubs & their self interest drove the game to near extinction 20 years ago & theyre making noises again along the lines of being bigger then the game itself again
you may have the attention span of a gold fish & forgot all of that , I haven't

the clubs will sign if they think there is any chance they'll miss out on a license
it'll just take a few to crumble
the whole lot will fold

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Forget Gallop(short changer of TV deals and no Govt lobbyer).No marketing nous.
Forget Smith(screwed the code $300 over 5 years by upsetting Rupert and having expensive NRL operators who did zilch and now gone.No rl empathy.
Forget Grant(who makes an amateurish verbal undertaking of 130% of salary cap to clubs, then oops 12 months later things have changed sorry).A benevolent dictator who loved the limelight.

We need a chairman(business background) with an affinity for the game, who is prepared to stay out of the limelight, but is not prepared to take BS from within or without.

Gyngell ? Who knows! Phil Gould? Hell no.

The clubs are out to cover their financial a*ses,the NRL to split the money pie and ensure the right structures are in place.
If people on both sides with business acumen (and they supposedly have it),cannot sit around a boardroom table and formulate deals that mean:
1) Decent monies for grassroots to continue the production line.And that means an alignment in marketing the game at that level, instead of the hotpotch hit and miss approach.Geez the fumblers have Auskickwhich is effective.
2) A salary cap that ensures we keep our top line players.
3) Selling off of two NL clubs.
4) A strategy/timeline of when and where to expand.
Then they should steer clear of being involved in the game.

If they can't do it,I'll get my mates and I , who have solved the world's problems, to do it.Bang heads together, it's a reality check fellas, get moving the code is self destructing whilst Rome burns.Forget the ego trips, we're here for the good of the game.

You know Grant isn't the CEO? Greenberg has definitely sloped his shoulders on this one. I like what Smith was doing but everyone else listened to the media too much and ended up giving in. Grant gives the media nothing and they hate that. Things that should be between the clubs and Nrl somehow leak to the media, and funny enough it always makes the Nrl look incompetent. Which helps the clubs narrative.

 

[adamkungl]

The NRLs own financial report helps the club "narrative".

 

[BuffaloRules]

whats laughable is the tail wagging the dog
clubs & their self interest drove the game to near extinction 20 years ago & theyre making noises again along the lines of being bigger then the game itself again
you may have the attention span of a gold fish & forgot all of that , I haven't

the clubs will sign if they think there is any chance they'll miss out on a license
it'll just take a few to crumble
the whole lot will fold

But let's talk through your original scenario without the above side stepping...

The NRL threaten say the Storm by demandung they sign the new deal or you are replaced with Perth or PNG...

What do the broadcasters and sponsors think now that all of that potential Melboune market has gone?

It's way too simplistic to ever work and even the NRL clubs know this...Manly might be expendable but the bigger clubs know their worth.

 

[adamkungl]

You guys want to know the NRLs plan to boost junior participation? Coz I reckon I can guess it to within inches:

1) Spend about $20million of money that should go to clubs and 3 years developing a copy of Auskick, but worse.

2) Visit each school in Sydney and Brisbane once, claim that 10 billion kids played RL in the last year.

3) Never visit anywhere outside of Sydney or Brisbane, program fades into obscurity.

Results, NRL style

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The NRLs own financial report helps the club "narrative".

Not sure it really does. Poorly run management doesn't really show up in financials. Taking the clubs side when their financials are in worse shape doesn't seem sensible

 

[Raiderdave]

But let's talk through your original scenario without the above side stepping...

The NRL threaten say the Storm by demandung they sign the new deal or you are replaced with Perth or PNG...

What do the broadcasters and sponsors think now that all of that potential Melboune market has gone?

It's way too simplistic to ever work and even the NRL clubs know this...Manly might be expendable but the bigger clubs know their worth.

lets talk about what youre saying shall we

according to you , lets let them run the game then ?
because they know their worth according to you & theyre indespensable
what i said wasn't going to work of course
but the NRL / ARLC can't cower under the threats of clubland & must be tough in their outlook for the overall well being of the sport
not just the 16 NRL clubs

 

[BuffaloRules]

lets talk about what youre saying shall we

according to you , lets let them run the game then ?
because they know their worth according to you & theyre indespensable
what i said wasn't going to work of course
but the NRL / ARLC can't cower under the threats of clubland & must be tough in their outlook for the overall well being of the sport
not just the 16 NRL clubs

This dispute is over the NRL admin backflipping on previous agreements, their apparent waste of a ton of money and their general lack of vision and planning for the games future...

Why should the biggest stake holders in the game ie the clubs have to put up with that indefinitely?

There is no way Grant survives this in my view...He needs to go and bring in the next bloke to try and sort this mess out...

 

[insert.pause]

Politis and dib refused to sign the MOU without a clause being inserted to state it was not a binding agreement. That was obviously to protect clubs interests so if things weren't going their way they could revoke on the agreement and continue threatsabout breakaway comps. It's ironic that the same clause has come back to bite them on the arse and allow the ARLC to revoke on the agreement.

 

[Raiderdave]

This dispute is over the NRL admin backflipping on previous agreements, their apparent waste of a ton of money and their general lack of vision and planning for the games future...

Why should the biggest stake holders in the game ie the clubs have to put up with that indefinitely?

There is no way Grant survives this in my view...He needs to go and bring in the next bloke to try and sort this mess out...

agreed
Grant can't stay & anyone else who was party to that ludicrous funding deal needs to go too
if his removing himself from the ARLC appeases the clubs & they agree to sit down & renegoiate the funding deal , then we have a viable solution to this crisis

Grants gone , thats the best outcome for all parties

 

[Emu01]

I don't know why, but this made me laugh uncontrollably.

lol, the words didn't come out the way I wanted to.. Bottom line is NRL management is useless.

 

[taipan]

You know Grant isn't the CEO? Greenberg has definitely sloped his shoulders on this one. I like what Smith was doing but everyone else listened to the media too much and ended up giving in. Grant gives the media nothing and they hate that. Things that should be between the clubs and Nrl somehow leak to the media, and funny enough it always makes the Nrl look incompetent. Which helps the clubs narrative.

I realise that ,but Grant intruded too often as though he was.He was chairman when Smith and Greenberg were/are in tow.
I lauded Smith initially ,but the end result was a stuffed up Tv deal, and money wasted on high class nimrods who achieved very little.Its great to have people with you who are well paid and get things done, this did not happen.
Smith did at least get out into the bush and regional and organised liaison with Govts.

Please ,the media are the last experts,I would pin
on to my lapels.

When it came to leaking to the media,Gallop was el supremo with his flock of News boot lickers.He had the charisma on TV of a Namibian warthog.

 

[Raiderdave]

Politis and dib refused to sign the MOU without a clause being inserted to state it was not a binding agreement. That was obviously to protect clubs interests so if things weren't going their way they could revoke on the agreement and continue threatsabout breakaway comps. It's ironic that the same clause has come back to bite them on the arse and allow the ARLC to revoke on the agreement.

not sure how clubs are threatening legal action to enforce it then if its not binding
but its typical of the short sightedness of some clubs
the deal was a cracker for them

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Politis and dib refused to sign the MOU without a clause being inserted to state it was not a binding agreement. That was obviously to protect clubs interests so if things weren't going their way they could revoke on the agreement and continue threatsabout breakaway comps. It's ironic that the same clause has come back to bite them on the arse and allow the ARLC to revoke on the agreement.

This was part of my understanding as well as the fact the the MOU was subject to club KPI clauses. Which the clubs didn't like, and refused to accept which made it drag on. Now the Nrl took it all off the table, the clubs start crying. And somehow Grant by himself is responsible for it all, not Greenberg or the other commissioners. The clubs and media vendetta is obvious but some on here can't see through the bulldust.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I realise that ,but Grant intruded too often as though he was.He was chairman when Smith and Greenberg were/are in tow.
I lauded Smith initially ,but the end result was a stuffed up Tv deal, and money wasted on high class nimrods who achieved very little.Its great to have people with you who are well paid and get things done, this did not happen.
Smith did at least get out into the bush and regional and organised liaison with Govts.

Please ,the media are the last experts,I would pin
on to my lapels.

When it came to leaking to the media,Gallop was el supremo with his flock of News boot lickers.He had the charisma on TV of a Namibian warthog.

Grant intruded too much? Your knowledge of this is? Did the media and clubs tell you this?
I think Smith left because the push from media and club land was too great. Then Grant and the commissioners eccepted less to appease everyone. Media got what they wanted. He was heading in the right direction.

Well we don't need to talk more about the gallop and media circus

 

[insert.pause]

This was part of my understanding as well as the fact the the MOU was subject to club KPI clauses. Which the clubs didn't like, and refused to accept which made it drag on. Now the Nrl took it all off the table, the clubs start crying. And somehow Grant by himself is responsible for it all, not Greenberg or the other commissioners. The clubs and media vendetta is obvious but some on here can't see through the bulldust.

I'm not defending grant, but I think certain clubs were always looking for a confrontation that would lead to this and I get the impression they are happy Grant bungled the club funding & gave them the ammunition.