NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[Von Hipper]

I think you'd be surprised

My mistake, I actually meant to each and every club. You don't see collingwood getting 20M, you only see bottom-beaters like the Lions getting that much.

And I did answer you, clearly you do not read. Should I be wasting my time on you? If you kindly check out the QRL article, it will confirm what I am saying.

There's me, the QRL, John Grant, the comission, John Ribot "While Ribot's talents as an administrator were reflected in the club's success during the 1990s, he was continually at loggerheads with the New South Wales Rugby League (NSWRL) administration, which he saw as leaden-footed and Sydney-centric, so detrimental to the future expansion of the game." wiki

Nothing has changed because the NSWRL do NOT learn lessons. Mate, they didn't start winning origin until they copied QLD (twice)....

Also, you need to learn your lessons too.

 

[Von Hipper]

Looks like clubs and NRL are talking again

Media Release⁠, NRL, NRL
Mon, Dec 05, 2016 - 08:28PM

Representatives of the clubs and the ARLC met today and agreed to continue discussions to resolve the current impasse

I did mention this previously. It came last night and there were no real extra stories about this issue.

What others dont comprehend is this. People far and wide were willing to jump up and down and move heaven and earth to accommodate clubs on the commission, ect, but that may not be necessary.

 

[Von Hipper]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/12/06/qrl-boss-fears-nsw-crls-future

6 DEC 2016 - 5:04AM
QRL boss fears for NSW CRL's future

Queensland Rugby League boss Peter Betros admits he will fear for NSW country footy's future if ARLC chairman John Grant is ousted by disgruntled NRL clubs.
Source: AAP

Queensland Rugby League boss Peter Betros fears for NSW country footy's future if John Grant is ousted by disgruntled NRL clubs.

Betros said he was worried NRL clubs wanted to take control of the game in a return to the "bad old days" after they called for a December 20 emergency meeting to decide the ARL Commission chairman's fate.

And he believes NSW's Country Rugby League (CRL) will be the big losers if the clubs achieve their aim.

The QRL boss says the CRL have already lost their voice and fears their days might be numbered after a power play.

"I'd fear for (the CRL's) future if clubs got control of the commission," Betros told AAP.

"(The CRL) have no say at all. The NSWRL doesn't speak on behalf of the CRL.

"(The NSWRL) are controlled by the NRL clubs.

"Whatever the NRL clubs say the NSWRL will do - their structure is very different to the QRL."

Grant fell out with NRL clubs after reneging on a year-old funding agreement.

He recently withdrew a memorandum of understanding that pledged an extra $100 million a year to clubs from 2018.

Clubs require a minimum 14 votes from the game's 26 shareholders - the 16 clubs, NSWRL, eight commissioners and the QRL represented by Betros - to remove Grant at the meeting.

Fourteen clubs, excluding the NRL-owned Gold Coast and Newcastle, signed a letter to the ARLC backing the emergency meeting.

Grant has the support of his seven fellow ARLC directors and the QRL.

"There is a perception the clubs are being selfish and want to control the game and where the money is spent," Betros said.

"Six years ago, the clubs were demanding an independent commission so one group didn't get favour over another.

"Now after the commission has been doing that they want to take back control - it's going back to the bad old days."

Betros said getting rid of Grant would not solve anything.

"I don't see the point in clubs wanting to get rid of John over a disagreement with commission and NRL policy," he said.

"John is the leader of our game and everyone had been praising his success over the last five years and all of a sudden they all want to chop his head off - it doesn't make sense to me."

In an encouraging sign, the NRL clubs released a statement on Monday night saying they had resumed funding talks with Grant.

This. And this is why I have suggested the system additions I did. I also admit and tell people that it may not even be needed, or should not be implemented at the expense of how things are currently.

No one else is willing to put forward a system, most people want to capitulate, but its clear and QRL is right - there needs to remain a clear separation of different groups.

Its ironic the NSWRL is caught up in all of this. The biggest reason to say no to a relaxation of the over-bearing "independent commissioners" clause in the constitution to my mind is the NSWRL

Kindly thank yourselves, you dolts!

 

[DiegoNT]

My mistake, I actually meant to each and every club. You don't see collingwood getting 20M, you only see bottom-beaters like the Lions getting that much.

And I did answer you, clearly you do not read. Should I be wasting my time on you? If you kindly check out the QRL article, it will confirm what I am saying.

There's me, the QRL, John Grant, the comission, John Ribot "While Ribot's talents as an administrator were reflected in the club's success during the 1990s, he was continually at loggerheads with the New South Wales Rugby League (NSWRL) administration, which he saw as leaden-footed and Sydney-centric, so detrimental to the future expansion of the game." wiki

Nothing has changed because the NSWRL do NOT learn lessons. Mate, they didn't start winning origin until they copied QLD (twice)....

Also, you need to learn your lessons too.

I was talking like a sport like the NFL, which shares out their tv revenue out amongst the franchises to the tune of $226m each against a salary cap of about $155m
Most of the big european actually give 90% of tv revenue straight back to the top flight clubs. While the big super clubs like man u & real madrid spend over that ( because of no salary cap plus money from the euro comps) most clubs pay their entire wages out of that tv money. Nba are the same, their record tv deal is getting shared around the league so the players get their share.

 

[DiegoNT]

My mistake, I actually meant to each and every club. You don't see collingwood getting 20M, you only see bottom-beaters like the Lions getting that much.

And I did answer you, clearly you do not read. Should I be wasting my time on you? If you kindly check out the QRL article, it will confirm what I am saying.

There's me, the QRL, John Grant, the comission, John Ribot "While Ribot's talents as an administrator were reflected in the club's success during the 1990s, he was continually at loggerheads with the New South Wales Rugby League (NSWRL) administration, which he saw as leaden-footed and Sydney-centric, so detrimental to the future expansion of the game." wiki

Nothing has changed because the NSWRL do NOT learn lessons. Mate, they didn't start winning origin until they copied QLD (twice)....

Also, you need to learn your lessons too.

While Ribot's talents as an administrator were reflected in the club's success during the 1990s, he was continually at loggerheads with the New South Wales Rugby League (NSWRL) administration, which he saw as leaden-footed and Sydney-centric, so detrimental to the future expansion of the game." wiki

Yea that's why the nswrl introduced crushers, Cowboys, auckland, reds on top of the broncos, gc and Knights 7 years earlier and were looking at melbourne and Adelaide. Because they were so sydney specific and anti expansion

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I'd love to see a new Super League.

One Sydney team.

We'd f**k yers all. Cherry pick the best players and groom the finest juniors. 80,000 home crowd. TV and media and corporates galore. Dripping in money.

Brisbane, Auckland, Melbourne, Perth, Canberra, Adelaide, Townsville, Wollongong, Newcastle, Gold Coast, Rockhampton, Christchurch, Wellington, Central Coast...you could all lick our arseholes each and every year.


I introduce you to Sydney Wall (aka PGC). [NOTE: I chose 69 as a symbolic 'coming together' of RL in Sydney] [The Wall - because no one is getting in].

 

[T-Boon]

I was talking like a sport like the NFL, which shares out their tv revenue out amongst the franchises to the tune of $226m each against a salary cap of about $155m Nba are the same, their record tv deal is getting shared around the league so the players get their share.

The NFL and NBA are completely detached from the lower levels of their respective games. In fact the NFL has long seen college football as a competitor in terms of TV and crowds rather than part of the same code.
So they don't need to save money for grassroots.

 

[DiegoNT]

The NFL and NBA are completely detached from the lower levels of their respective games. In fact the NFL has long seen college football as a competitor in terms of TV and crowds rather than part of the same code.
So they don't need to save money for grassroots.

So maybe the nrl clubs should just break away like the top English clubs did when forming the premier league or like the nfl does. Keep all that money to themselves. See how much the nrl can make for grassroots without them

 

[Captain Apollo]

I While the big super clubs like man u & real madrid spend over that.....

I wouldn't use Real Madrid as part of your anlaysis. Main reason is that in Spain, TV contracts are on a club by club basis, which is how Real Madrid and Barcelona are able tod dominate their leagues as their TV rights deals are light years bigger than anyone elses. There is no central TV rights deal for La Liga as opposed to the UK Premier League.

 

[BuffaloRules]

The NFL and NBA are completely detached from the lower levels of their respective games. In fact the NFL has long seen college football as a competitor in terms of TV and crowds rather than part of the same code.
So they don't need to save money for grassroots.

Gee you can talk some uninformed rubbish...

How is the NFL competing against College Football? They deliberately do not schedule games on Saturdays because they want College Football to dominate TV on Saturdays during the regular season Sept - December so they can earn enough TV money to stand on their own two feet.... The NFL don't even schedule games on Friday nights as this is when High School football is played...

 

[DiegoNT]

I wouldn't use Real Madrid as part of your anlaysis. Main reason is that in Spain, TV contracts are on a club by club basis, which is how Real Madrid and Barcelona are able tod dominate their leagues as their TV rights deals are light years bigger than anyone elses. There is no central TV rights deal for La Liga as opposed to the UK Premier League.

They've just changed that for this season to a similar model to the premierl league. It's more like the seria a
50% of tv money is distributed equal to all clubs
25% is distributed by finishing positions from the previous 3 years
25% by how much the clubs make.

 

[insert.pause]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/12/06/qrl-boss-fears-nsw-crls-future

6 DEC 2016 - 5:04AM
QRL boss fears for NSW CRL's future

Queensland Rugby League boss Peter Betros admits he will fear for NSW country footy's future if ARLC chairman John Grant is ousted by disgruntled NRL clubs.
Source: AAP

Queensland Rugby League boss Peter Betros fears for NSW country footy's future if John Grant is ousted by disgruntled NRL clubs.

Betros said he was worried NRL clubs wanted to take control of the game in a return to the "bad old days" after they called for a December 20 emergency meeting to decide the ARL Commission chairman's fate.

And he believes NSW's Country Rugby League (CRL) will be the big losers if the clubs achieve their aim.

The QRL boss says the CRL have already lost their voice and fears their days might be numbered after a power play.

"I'd fear for (the CRL's) future if clubs got control of the commission," Betros told AAP.

"(The CRL) have no say at all. The NSWRL doesn't speak on behalf of the CRL.

"(The NSWRL) are controlled by the NRL clubs.

"Whatever the NRL clubs say the NSWRL will do - their structure is very different to the QRL."

Grant fell out with NRL clubs after reneging on a year-old funding agreement.

He recently withdrew a memorandum of understanding that pledged an extra $100 million a year to clubs from 2018.

Clubs require a minimum 14 votes from the game's 26 shareholders - the 16 clubs, NSWRL, eight commissioners and the QRL represented by Betros - to remove Grant at the meeting.

Fourteen clubs, excluding the NRL-owned Gold Coast and Newcastle, signed a letter to the ARLC backing the emergency meeting.

Grant has the support of his seven fellow ARLC directors and the QRL.

"There is a perception the clubs are being selfish and want to control the game and where the money is spent," Betros said.

"Six years ago, the clubs were demanding an independent commission so one group didn't get favour over another.

"Now after the commission has been doing that they want to take back control - it's going back to the bad old days."

Betros said getting rid of Grant would not solve anything.

"I don't see the point in clubs wanting to get rid of John over a disagreement with commission and NRL policy," he said.

"John is the leader of our game and everyone had been praising his success over the last five years and all of a sudden they all want to chop his head off - it doesn't make sense to me."

In an encouraging sign, the NRL clubs released a statement on Monday night saying they had resumed funding talks with Grant.

it is absurd that NRL club chairs can serve as directors on the NSWRL board, it is a complete conflict of interest and has turned the NSWRL into a political apparatus to run agendas against the NRL. The body should have it's own interests and fight for them, not the clubs.

 

[T-Boon]

How is the NFL competing against College Football? They deliberately do not schedule games on Saturdays because they want College Football to dominate TV on Saturdays during the regular season Sept - December so they can earn enough TV money to stand on their own two feet.... The NFL don't even schedule games on Friday nights as this is when High School football is played...

There is both co-operation between NFL and NCAA (scheduling of games like you said and also the agreement that the NFL won't push for draft eligibility straight out of high school etc).... and straight up competition.

The NFL website rule change history itself says that the main drive of rule changes in the NFL historically was to increase entertainment so as to be able to compete with the college game for fans (the college game being the birthplace and historically the stronger of the two).

Not that many american football fans are willing to give up both saturday and sunday for football. Most decide between saturday or sunday in terms of TV and attendence and thats where the competition is.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Seems nothing much has changed in the few days I've been away,

Nope, nothing has changed .
Pommies still whinging
Perth still doesn't have a team.
Cronulla won the comp.

 

[BuffaloRules]

There is both co-operation between NFL and NCAA (scheduling of games like you said and also the agreement that the NFL won't push for draft eligibility straight out of high school etc).... and straight up competition.

The NFL website rule change history itself says that the main drive of rule changes in the NFL historically was to increase entertainment so as to be able to compete with the college game for fans (the college game being the birthplace and historically the stronger of the two).

Not that many american football fans are willing to give up both saturday and sunday for football. Most decide between saturday or sunday in terms of TV and attendence and thats where the competition is.

Show me the link on the NFL site about the rule changes... are you going back to the 1940's or something?

Have you done a poll of American based football fans to back up your last comment?

Seriously...

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Show me the link on the NFL site about the rule changes... are you going back to the 1940's or something?

Have you done a poll of American based football fans to back up your last comment?

Seriously...

It's a well known thing mate.
I'm sure when S. Fagan used to post here he briefly mentioned CFB/NFL and the VFL/VFA when talking about the historical disconnect between RFL/RFU.

 

[Captain Apollo]

They've just changed that for this season to a similar model to the premierl league. It's more like the seria a
50% of tv money is distributed equal to all clubs
25% is distributed by finishing positions from the previous 3 years
25% by how much the clubs make.

Really?! Wow, didn't realise that. Thanks for updating me

 

[DiegoNT]

Really?! Wow, didn't realise that. Thanks for updating me

I still think barca and real recieve the most from tv revenue, but it's been equalled out.

 

[T-Boon]

Show me the link on the NFL site about the rule changes... are you going back to the 1940's or something?

Just google 'Evolution of the NFL Rules'. That is a document published by NFL Football Operations. It is expressly stated in that.

I think every rugby league fan who wants to knock AFL off as the number 1 code should read it and if the NRL and every f**king club hasn't read it they should be shot.

The crux of it is (in my interpretation) NFL is entertainment so if we want to grow lets be as entertaining as possible and not get all precious about our rules....more specifically it says there is a direct correlation between point scoring and crowds. As points go up in the NFL overall crowds go up. So they change/tinker with the rules to favour attack over defence.

"If someone wants to accuse the NFL of promoting offense to make the game more exciting, the committee believes the league should plead guilty" - Competition committee report (quoted in the document).

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Been some cracking drubbings in the NFL this weekend.