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NRL: Lets talk about relocating teams, says QRL boss.

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Stallion

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You are aware it's as simple as clicking "Reply" to my post and typing what you think, right?

I tried many times and got the "please contact administrator message" It's still happening now.
Your participation increase figures are misleading given the increase in Womens participation. Other participation is down. The NRL notired a reduction in northern Sydney of people viewing rugby league events like the state of origin. This happened after the Bears being ousted from the top flight.
 

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I tried many times and got the "please contact administrator message" It's still happening now.
Your participation increase figures are misleading given the increase in Womens participation. Other participation is down. The NRL notired a reduction in northern Sydney of people viewing rugby league events like the state of origin. This happened after the Bears being ousted from the top flight.
Can't help you with the administration message, no idea what that's about.

As for the rest, you've provided no evidence to back any of the claims, so good work!
 

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I tried many times and got the "please contact administrator message" It's still happening now.
Your participation increase figures are misleading given the increase in Womens participation. Other participation is down. The NRL notired a reduction in northern Sydney of people viewing rugby league events like the state of origin. This happened after the Bears being ousted from the top flight.

Don’t women count? Doesn’t touch count?
Any increase would suggest the game isn’t in decline as you like to claim. There has been a well documented decline in all sports participation in the 15-20 year old male age group. Is RL’s greatert than the avg? You can’t say as we don’t have the data available so you just have an opinion not backed up by any evidence.
 
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titoelcolombiano

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No. You are just warped ! "They" are the North Sydney Bears fans! Not only based in northern Sydney but elsewhere dodo!

Ok, so my question stands (that you have yet to answer) - why would North Sydney Bears fans travel an hour to the Central Coast when they can just wait for the Bears to play an away fixture in Sydney and watch them there (and more often). Also, why would bears fans' attitudes towards travelling for games be magically different to any other teams' fans?

Try to answer the questions and address the points without resorting to insults when you realise that your arguments don't make sense.
 

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I tried many times and got the "please contact administrator message" It's still happening now.
Your participation increase figures are misleading given the increase in Womens participation. Other participation is down. The NRL notired a reduction in northern Sydney of people viewing rugby league events like the state of origin. This happened after the Bears being ousted from the top flight.

Lol - complaining about not being able to reply but I'm reading his reply meaning he was able to reply

I've got news for you Stallion, there are women that play RL so yes, their participation counts and therefore the participation numbers have increased. The decline in men's numbers is in line with other contact sports and not exclusively a RL issue.

If (and it is a dubious, if, because you have provided no stats or evidence) there is a decline in viewership in any part of Sydney, it is probably more to do with SL rather than specifically the bears not being in the NRL.
 

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Lol - complaining about not being able to reply but I'm reading his reply meaning he was able to reply

I've got news for you Stallion, there are women that play RL so yes, their participation counts and therefore the participation numbers have increased. The decline in men's numbers is in line with other contact sports and not exclusively a RL issue.

If (and it is a dubious, if, because you have provided no stats or evidence) there is a decline in viewership in any part of Sydney, it is probably more to do with SL rather than specifically the bears not being in the NRL.
(not to mention Manly having a run of shit seasons)
 

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Relocation has always been talked about as an option for Cronulla each time they’ve come close to financial ruin, but this time they really need to consider the option to secure the club’s long-term future.

The logical option for Cronulla is to relocate to Perth. They would become a stand-alone club based in a capital city with a population of 2.2 million compared to Sutherland Shire of 218,000.

According to Roy Morgan research, the Sharks have the third-least amount of supporters (224,000)and the second-least amount of members this past season (15,800) of all the Sydney based clubs.

They’d have the potential of gaining hundreds of thousands of new supporters, thousands of additional memberships, endless corporate sponsorship opportunities and the advantage of the ARU’s decision to scrap the Western Force. Everything a congested Sydney market is unable to offer.

They would likely play at the 20,500 capacity NIB Stadium, which is close to the CBD.

The time difference between the west and east coast would mean home games would predominately be played during family-friendly timeslots on Saturday and Sunday afternoons-early evenings, which would be televised during primetime on the east coast.

Many are of the belief that Perth deserves their own team and their own identity rather than a relocated Sydney club, which fans out west may not buy into or are of the belief that a relocated Sydney club wouldn’t be successful for various reasons.

However, West Coast Pirates bid team and NRLWA CEO John Sackson has previously stated that he’d be open to a relocated Sydney team as fans on the west coast have been crying out for rugby league for over 20 years since the Western Reds fell victim to the super league establishment war.

It would also potentially save the bid team at least two years to assemble a playing squad and having to market a new brand.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/12/16/the-sharks-must-consider-relocation/
 

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I kind of hope that the Sharks do actually relocate to Perth, not cause I actually want to see a relocation, but just for the lols of seeing the Sharks fans on this site that hate PR’s guts suddenly supporting the same club as him.
 

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I kind of hope that the Sharks do actually relocate to Perth, not cause I actually want to see a relocation, but just for the lols of seeing the Sharks fans on this site that hate PR’s guts suddenly supporting the same club as him.

It'd be easy for me, Roger Millward and Gavin Miller are my two all time fave players lol

nibstadium2.jpg
 

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Relocation has always been talked about as an option for Cronulla each time they’ve come close to financial ruin, but this time they really need to consider the option to secure the club’s long-term future.

The logical option for Cronulla is to relocate to Perth. They would become a stand-alone club based in a capital city with a population of 2.2 million compared to Sutherland Shire of 218,000.

According to Roy Morgan research, the Sharks have the third-least amount of supporters (224,000)and the second-least amount of members this past season (15,800) of all the Sydney based clubs.

They’d have the potential of gaining hundreds of thousands of new supporters, thousands of additional memberships, endless corporate sponsorship opportunities and the advantage of the ARU’s decision to scrap the Western Force. Everything a congested Sydney market is unable to offer.

They would likely play at the 20,500 capacity NIB Stadium, which is close to the CBD.

The time difference between the west and east coast would mean home games would predominately be played during family-friendly timeslots on Saturday and Sunday afternoons-early evenings, which would be televised during primetime on the east coast.

Many are of the belief that Perth deserves their own team and their own identity rather than a relocated Sydney club, which fans out west may not buy into or are of the belief that a relocated Sydney club wouldn’t be successful for various reasons.

However, West Coast Pirates bid team and NRLWA CEO John Sackson has previously stated that he’d be open to a relocated Sydney team as fans on the west coast have been crying out for rugby league for over 20 years since the Western Reds fell victim to the super league establishment war.

It would also potentially save the bid team at least two years to assemble a playing squad and having to market a new brand.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/12/16/the-sharks-must-consider-relocation/

One major error in this piece. It's not a congested Sydney market! Sydney is a massive population base which engender s local derbies which other codes are working our. The established club scene is gold for this competition going forward. By all means additional clubs are welcomed but don't throw the babies/family out with the water.
 

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Relocation has always been talked about as an option for Cronulla each time they’ve come close to financial ruin, but this time they really need to consider the option to secure the club’s long-term future.

The logical option for Cronulla is to relocate to Perth. They would become a stand-alone club based in a capital city with a population of 2.2 million compared to Sutherland Shire of 218,000.

According to Roy Morgan research, the Sharks have the third-least amount of supporters (224,000)and the second-least amount of members this past season (15,800) of all the Sydney based clubs.

They’d have the potential of gaining hundreds of thousands of new supporters, thousands of additional memberships, endless corporate sponsorship opportunities and the advantage of the ARU’s decision to scrap the Western Force. Everything a congested Sydney market is unable to offer.

They would likely play at the 20,500 capacity NIB Stadium, which is close to the CBD.

The time difference between the west and east coast would mean home games would predominately be played during family-friendly timeslots on Saturday and Sunday afternoons-early evenings, which would be televised during primetime on the east coast.

Many are of the belief that Perth deserves their own team and their own identity rather than a relocated Sydney club, which fans out west may not buy into or are of the belief that a relocated Sydney club wouldn’t be successful for various reasons.

However, West Coast Pirates bid team and NRLWA CEO John Sackson has previously stated that he’d be open to a relocated Sydney team as fans on the west coast have been crying out for rugby league for over 20 years since the Western Reds fell victim to the super league establishment war.

It would also potentially save the bid team at least two years to assemble a playing squad and having to market a new brand.




https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/12/16/the-sharks-must-consider-relocation/

Logic may have been the point a few years ago, prior the development.So unfortunately old mate, it now appears to be all hypothetical.Unless of course the Commission decides on a slash and burn policy, which is their prerogative.

Yet with large numbers of the 218,000(now over 231,000 and growing) plus decent numbers on NSW coast and Qld, that show any sign of interest as opposed to, 2.18m who couldn't give a rats.
They would get a hell of a lot more than Perth at Suncorp.
If any relocation was needed as a last resort, the 2nd Brisbane team would be first choice, because the population there actually cares.

BTW when the Rest were in existence where were the hundreds of thousands of potential supporters there, who could have saved the club.

Noticed so far, the club re members is tracking well ahead of a few Sydney clubs and Canberra.

There was also a recent survey done showing the Sharks were among the strongest committed supporters, that includes merchandise sales for a starter.Now the effect of relocation would have a bearing on that commitment.I know a Southern A League club wanting entry ,would be champing at the bit to fill the vacuum.

"Thousands of additional memberships",when the Force with all the Saffa ,Kiwis and Poms there ,hardly brought packed houses through the Super Dooper rugby gate.

It is imperative both Perth and Brisbane get additional teams. But robbing Peter to pay Paul is not going to solve the issue.There is absolutely no reason why the NRL cannot have 18 teams.

Just to bring you into the real world of 2018 according to Roy Morgan as you love to quote him:-For you're enlightenment.
The Sharks have 245,000 supporters an increase of 9.5% on 2017 the second highest increase of the clubs after the Storm.
The Roosters have 219,000 a drop of 2.2% on he previous year
Knights 199,000 a drop of 2%
Raiders 174,000 a drop of 20.2%
Warriors 139,000 a drop of 14.2%
Panthers 139,000 a drop of 25.3%
Titans 122,000 a drop of 35.1%
 
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Logic may have been the point a few years ago, prior the development.So unfortunately old mate, it now appears to be all hypothetical.Unless of course the Commission decides on a slash and burn policy, which is their prerogative.

Yet with large numbers of the 218,000(now over 231,000 and growing) plus decent numbers on NSW coast and Qld, that show any sign of interest as opposed to, 2.18m who couldn't give a rats.
They would get a hell of a lot more than Perth at Suncorp.
If any relocation was needed as a last resort, the 2nd Brisbane team would be first choice, because the population there actually cares.

BTW when the Rest were in existence where were the hundreds of thousands of potential supporters there, who could have saved the club.

Noticed so far, the club re members is tracking well ahead of a few Sydney clubs and Canberra.

There was also a recent survey done showing the Sharks were among the strongest committed supporters, that includes merchandise sales for a starter.Now the effect of relocation would have a bearing on that commitment.I know a Southern A League club wanting entry ,would be champing at the bit to fill the vacuum.

"Thousands of additional memberships",when the Force with all the Saffa ,Kiwis and Poms there ,hardly brought packeting houses through the Super Dooper rugby gate.

It is imperative both Perth and Brisbane get additional teams. But robbing Peter to pay Paul is not going to solve the issue.There is absolutely no reason why the NRL cannot have 18 teams.

Great stuff Taipan!
 

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The Sharks have 245,000 supporters an increase of 9.5% on 2017 the second highest increase of the clubs after the Storm.

And I'm looking forward to a big fat man in a red suit bringing me some presents next week lol.
245k supporters of which 90% of them dont buy a membership, dont attend games, dont watch on tv and dont buy merchandise. How exactly do the 220k fans who dont actually do anything define themselves as supporters? If you had 245k supporters you wouldn't be losing money!
 

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And I'm looking forward to a big fat man in a red suit bringing me some presents next week lol.
245k supporters of which 90% of them dont buy a membership, dont attend games, dont watch on tv and dont buy merchandise. How exactly do the 220k fans who dont actually do anything define themselves as supporters? If you had 245k supporters you wouldn't be losing money!

Top Clubs by Attendance:
Brisbane: 31,234
Newcastle: 18,974
Souths: 18,531
NZ Warriors: 17,376
Melbourne: 17,293

The weakest non-Sydney clubs are the Titans in 12th position and the Raiders in 14th. To be fair, Dogs and Eels would be in the top 5 if both didn't have abismal seasons. @Stallion this is where your ranting doesn't stack up. Yes, no argument that Sydney is the epicentre of the game and the most important market. Yes, no argument that it contains some of the most iconic and important clubs in RL but that doesn't apply to all Sydney clubs as a blanket rule. The Broncos just as big a name in the game, their history only goes back 30 years and they, along with Melbourne and NZ drive a lot of value and growth in the game. This could equally be said of Perth in 30 years time if we give them a fair chance. What won't drive growth in the game is underperforming clubs in an oversaturated market or promoting NSW based NSW Cup teams to the NRL.
 

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Top Clubs by Attendance:
Brisbane: 31,234
Newcastle: 18,974
Souths: 18,531
NZ Warriors: 17,376
Melbourne: 17,293

The weakest non-Sydney clubs are the Titans in 12th position and the Raiders in 14th. To be fair, Dogs and Eels would be in the top 5 if both didn't have abismal seasons. @Stallion this is where your ranting doesn't stack up. Yes, no argument that Sydney is the epicentre of the game and the most important market. Yes, no argument that it contains some of the most iconic and important clubs in RL but that doesn't apply to all Sydney clubs as a blanket rule. The Broncos just as big a name in the game, their history only goes back 30 years and they, along with Melbourne and NZ drive a lot of value and growth in the game. This could equally be said of Perth in 30 years time if we give them a fair chance. What won't drive growth in the game is underperforming clubs in an oversaturated market or promoting NSW based NSW Cup teams to the NRL.

You dismiss longstanding club rivalries as 'not stacking up'?!Pleeease. These longstanding and universally well known clubs are massive assets of the NRL. They give it credibility not to mention it's popularity. Without them the Broncos and others would not be anywhere near as popular. The Sydney clubs and Sydney itself is vital for the NRL going forward. The AFL understand but won't let on. And I suspect the NRL have looked at the negative impacts from lost clubs like the Bears and now are reticent to slash and burn. (Richos Platinum plan)Instead growth with additional clubs will be in vogue. And that's the way it should have been 20 years ago.
 

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You dismiss longstanding club rivalries as 'not stacking up'?!Pleeease. These longstanding and universally well known clubs are massive assets of the NRL. They give it credibility not to mention it's popularity. Without them the Broncos and others would not be anywhere near as popular. The Sydney clubs and Sydney itself is vital for the NRL going forward. The AFL understand but won't let on. And I suspect the NRL have looked at the negative impacts from lost clubs like the Bears and now are reticent to slash and burn. (Richos Platinum plan)Instead growth with additional clubs will be in vogue. And that's the way it should have been 20 years ago.

And yet they still talk about possible relocation as an option. Do you think this is a NRL bluff to get the clubs to get their acts together? If not then clearly the NRL dont agree with you.

If the report says the game can afford to grow with more clubs great, if it comes back and says the game cant afford more clubs or that the playing talent will be too diluted then what?
 

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And yet they still talk about possible relocation as an option. Do you think this is a NRL bluff to get the clubs to get their acts together? If not then clearly the NRL dont agree with you.

If the report says the game can afford to grow with more clubs great, if it comes back and says the game cant afford more clubs or that the playing talent will be too diluted then what?

The later is sure disaster for the code. The smart option is a win/win for the code and fans!
 
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