NRL: Lets talk about relocating teams, says QRL boss.

[titoelcolombiano]

No. As these great rugby league clubs deserve top flight status as their fans are well and truelly use to " a place in the sun" as in decades gone by. The exiting of the Bears was an abrupt occurrence stemming from a very poor "superleague" agreement. Should never had happened. The carve up was destructive for rugby league in so many ways. This is one of the sad stories from this 'agreement '. The rugby union clubs have merely taken up the protest vote from disenfranchised rugby league fans. It's a protest vote. These sare fans will not settle for 2nd status on rugby league. They are entitled to and expect top flight status. Make no.bones about they walked in protest to local union because rugby league has abandoned their cultural relevance and status in the best rugby league comp in the world.

Wrong - the shute shield and the north sydney rivalries have always drawn well so there is no protest vote

Why do the Bears deserve top flight status and Newtown not?
Why would you assume that the people of North Sydney would support third teir RU teams because of history and tradition but would abandon Bears and Manly in the second teir of RL?

 

[King hit]

Last season Norths were in the comp ('99) they avg'd 8,500 home attendance. I'm not sure the rivalry was really helping much!

Pretty much every away game for Norths in 1999 were away games due to the poor weather on the central coast that delayed construction of the stadium in Gosford where they were supposed to play that year.

They didn't really have a home ground and were nomads in 1999

 

[Stallion]

Your statement is incorrect:
Broncos biggest draw Cowboys
Cowboys biggest draw is Broncos
Titans biggest draw is Broncos
Melbourne's biggest draw is NZ Warriors

Yes, agreed that big Sydney clubs and their rivalries, history and tradition are great for the game. The small ones are not so critical and should be playing NSW Cup which would be a more suitable level for them.

BTW memberships and TV ratings are at an all time high and attendances are only 1k off of our peak which was back in the period 2009 - 2012. So it doesn't appear that the game is being whiteanted. It appears that it is bigger than ever including in Sydney. Just because other codes have grown doesn't automatically mean that ours has shrunk.

BTW. The population is increasing! And you may call them small clubs but a grand final win changes the whole landscape as far as relevance and future support. People follow winners. Clubs that have been existence like Cronulla have grown out of a grandfinal win. These are established Sydney clubs(they have credibility and notoriety) and Newcastles biggest crowd this year was with St George Illawarra. Their second biggest was Manly Warringah. Broncos crowds took a hit from Thursday night scheduling I might add. Some big drawing Sydney clubs on a poor attendance night.

 

[Perth Red]

Pretty much every away game for Norths in 1999 were away games due to the poor weather on the central coast that delayed construction of the stadium in Gosford where they were supposed to play that year.

They didn't really have a home ground and were nomads in 1999

There were nine home games at north Sydney oval in 1999 for a avg attendance of 9217
If you want to go back a year before it was 11k, 1995 when the game was buzzing 11.5k. I’m not saying they were the worse supported team by a long shot but it’s a myth to suggest some rivallary with manly was driving huge interest in the bears.

As for Cronulla and the sweet success of a premiership, their crowds have gone down since their win lol

 

[Stallion]

There were nine home games at north Sydney oval in 1999 for a avg attendance of 9217
If you want to go back a year before it was 11k, 1995 when the game was buzzing 11.5k. I’m not saying they were the worse supported team by a long shot but it’s a myth to suggest some rivallary with manly was driving huge interest in the bears.

As for Cronulla and the sweet success of a premiership, their crowds have gone down since their win lol

Wow. What a misread! The point is that this rivalry assists the relevance of rugby league in North SYDNEY and Manly Warringah. It matters significantly. Now other codes are taking relevance!

 

[Stallion]

There were nine home games at north Sydney oval in 1999 for a avg attendance of 9217
If you want to go back a year before it was 11k, 1995 when the game was buzzing 11.5k. I’m not saying they were the worse supported team by a long shot but it’s a myth to suggest some rivallary with manly was driving huge interest in the bears.

As for Cronulla and the sweet success of a premiership, their crowds have gone down since their win lol

You just ignored someone telling you they (The Bears)were mostly nomadic as far as home games were concerned? Nine games at North Sydney oval is not acceptable. Not a good barometer to shaft a club but that decision was made when culling to 14 teams was unfortunately agreed in 1997. A shocking agreement to this day!
This lack of a consistent home ground significantly impacts attendances. The North Sydney Bears were shafted and so was rugby league in northern Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

75% of bears games in 1999 were played at ns oval lol. They only played three on the road. Not sure where this myth they didn’t have a home is coming from?

 

[Stallion]

75% of bears games in 1999 were played at ns oval lol. They only played three on the road. Not sure where this myth they didn’t have a home is coming from?

That impacts on home game averages. Think the Lang Park game generated upwards of 3000 people in attendance.

 

[Pommy]

BTW. The population is increasing! And you may call them small clubs but a grand final win changes the whole landscape as far as relevance and future support. People follow winners. Clubs that have been existence like Cronulla have grown out of a grandfinal win. These are established Sydney clubs(they have credibility and notoriety) and Newcastles biggest crowd this year was with St George Illawarra. Their second biggest was Manly Warringah. Broncos crowds took a hit from Thursday night scheduling I might add. Some big drawing Sydney clubs on a poor attendance night.

The population may be increasing but the demographic of migrants has changed, couple that with a more connected world allowing people to watch sport from all over the world and there is going to be an impact on what sport people choose to follow.
If you wanted to get migrants in to league you would be advocating for Fairfield and Liverpool to get NRL sides not North Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

That impacts on home game averages. Think the Lang Park game generated upwards of 3000 people in attendance.

No I clearly stated the crowd avg at NS oval as well overall avg. the home avg for their 9 games was only 9,217. So much for local rivallary. The ns v manly game at ns oval drew 12k, wow beating down the door for the huge rivallary.

 

[Stallion]

The population may be increasing but the demographic of migrants has changed, couple that with a more connected world allowing people to watch sport from all over the world and there is going to be an impact on what sport people choose to follow.
If you wanted to get migrants in to league you would be advocating for Fairfield and Liverpool to get NRL sides not North Sydney.

Dissagree. I believe rugby league has universal appeal. The attitude you just displayed reeks of insular thinking. The code is better than that! Show it some respect.

 

[Stallion]

No I clearly stated the crowd avg at NS oval as well overall avg. the home avg for their 9 games was only 9,217. So much for local rivallary. The ns v manly game at ns oval drew 12k, wow beating down the door for the huge rivallary.

You still don't get it. This local rivalry is bigger than you think! Think their has been a few ground records at Bear park courtesy of local derbies you neglect to mention. Anyway you underestimate the positive effects of local rivalries. Guarantee the union people are grateful Manly don't play the Bears anymore. Even people whom don't have an affiliation toward either the Bears or Manly have a respect for such a local rivalry. By not having such a derby like with other derbies, the wonderful tapestry making this great competition is cheapened and weakened. It's given them(rival codes) the invitation they needed to entice disenfranchised RL fans ."GREAT WORK!"

 

[Perth Red]

Sht crowds, rivallaries a myth. Show me facts or shut the frick up!

 

[Pommy]

Dissagree. I believe rugby league has universal appeal. The attitude you just displayed reeks of insular thinking. The code is better than that! Show it some respect.

Mate I live in Liverpool, I work in Bankstown and I’m building a house in Fairfield almost everyone I interact with is either a migrant or is the first generation born in Australia. Many migrants just don’t care for Rugby league. You can insult me all you want but it doesn’t make any difference to reality.
Just one anecdotal event for you I had a roof tiler over the moon that red Star Belgrade had made the campions league for the first time in years, I told him they had a rugby league team now and he just didn’t care. His son born and bred in Australia was a West Ham fan despite never having been to London and no family links to the UK he had no interest in league either.
Come and spend some time on John Street, Cabramatta and see how many EPL and NBA shirts you see compared to NRL.
It’s not insular to recognise that an increase in population doesn’t mean there will be a similar increase in fans of rugby league.
More migrants coming from the sub continent is a boon for cricket Australia, I work with heaps of Indians and Australians of Indian heritage I can’t think of one that’s interested in league.

 

[Stallion]

Sht crowds, rivallaries a myth. Show me facts or shut the frick up!

Lol. So the rivalries are a myth!? My word you have failed dismally though predictably. Manly Warringah v North Sydney had no rivalry? A foundation club (Bears) having the new kid further up the block (Manly) join in 1947 hasn't harnessed a rivalry? Wow. You have lost it! You senile Billy goat!

 

[Stallion]

Mate I live in Liverpool, I work in Bankstown and I’m building a house in Fairfield almost everyone I interact with is either a migrant or is the first generation born in Australia. Many migrants just don’t care for Rugby league. You can insult me all you want but it doesn’t make any difference to reality.
Just one anecdotal event for you I had a roof tiler over the moon that red Star Belgrade had made the campions league for the first time in years, I told him they had a rugby league team now and he just didn’t care. His son born and bred in Australia was a West Ham fan despite never having been to London and no family links to the UK he had no interest in league either.
Come and spend some time on John Street, Cabramatta and see how many EPL and NBA shirts you see compared to NRL.
It’s not insular to recognise that an increase in population doesn’t mean there will be a similar increase in fans of rugby league.
More migrants coming from the sub continent is a boon for cricket Australia, I work with heaps of Indians and Australians of Indian heritage I can’t think of one that’s interested in league.

Pommy. You have not factored in that their is a percentage of the population that may embrace rugby league. This is what sports are clammering for. Relevance and being seen as an option. (AFL do this very well in the media via cross promotion and mentions with other sports) If rugby league doesn't offer itself it won't happen! Just like my Greek born Dad followed the Bulldogs and all his kids have a team they follow. It does happen. Your insular thinking makes it not happen!

 

[mongoose]

Mate I live in Liverpool, I work in Bankstown and I’m building a house in Fairfield almost everyone I interact with is either a migrant or is the first generation born in Australia. Many migrants just don’t care for Rugby league. You can insult me all you want but it doesn’t make any difference to reality.
Just one anecdotal event for you I had a roof tiler over the moon that red Star Belgrade had made the campions league for the first time in years, I told him they had a rugby league team now and he just didn’t care. His son born and bred in Australia was a West Ham fan despite never having been to London and no family links to the UK he had no interest in league either.
Come and spend some time on John Street, Cabramatta and see how many EPL and NBA shirts you see compared to NRL.
It’s not insular to recognise that an increase in population doesn’t mean there will be a similar increase in fans of rugby league.
More migrants coming from the sub continent is a boon for cricket Australia, I work with heaps of Indians and Australians of Indian heritage I can’t think of one that’s interested in league.

Sydney must be a lot different to Brisbane. I agree that most migrants don't usually jump on board League (or AFL) but I know a lot of first generation aussies who follow League here from Indian, Malaysian, Phillipino families.

 

[Stallion]

Sydney must be a lot different to Brisbane. I agree that most migrants don't usually jump on board League (or AFL) but I know a lot of first generation aussies who follow League here from Indian, Malaysian, Phillipino families.

Exactly! If administrators throw in the towel and don't think or offer their code/sport as an option to follow or participate in then the code/sport has no chance to grow in relevance. Running away from potential new markets, be it demographic or racial, is not prudent development thinking. It's actually very negative and defeatist!
in my opinion the development efforts from rugby league have sadly been lacking over-the-past two decades. As a teacher I've noticed the poor presence of rugby league at primary schools in the Newcastle area. Only over-the-past two years have visible efforts such as Leaguetag gala days etc been happening through rugby league development. Before then it has(rl development) been minimal in presence and effort. If their has been an effort it's been misguided, inadequate and I'll directed .

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Your statement is incorrect:
Broncos biggest draw Cowboys
Cowboys biggest draw is Broncos
Titans biggest draw is Broncos
Melbourne's biggest draw is NZ Warriors.

And the Warriors biggest draws are Melbourne and Brisbane.

 

[Pommy]

Pommy. You have not factored in that their is a percentage of the population that may embrace rugby league. This is what sports are clammering for. Relevance and being seen as an option. (AFL do this very well in the media via cross promotion and mentions with other sports) If rugby league doesn't offer itself it won't happen! Just like my Greek born Dad followed the Bulldogs and all his kids have a team they follow. It does happen. Your insular thinking makes it not happen!

I do factor that in, I said it won’t grow at the same rate. Your father isn’t a great example as the World was different then, I don’t imagine he had the chance to stream a lot of greek football. I can watch more live EPL here in Australia than I can in England which means everyone in Australia now has more options as to which sport they can watch.
Think about it this way how many league players of Vietnamese background are there?
I’m not saying no new migrants like the sport just that a lot have zero interest in it.