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NRL rebellion: Rugby league clubs want CEO Dave Smith gone or threaten to leave comp

adamkungl

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Why don't the NRL clubs who have been named as wanting to rebel come out and deny these allegations?

That would really put a dent in this smear campaign.

Both Gould and Pappas have denied it on Twitter, and they're alleged to be two of the big clubs involved.

But for the most part, I think the clubs are holding onto their bargaining position to get a bit more $ their way. Which is basically what Brad Walter's just said in the latest SMH article.
 

Cletus

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Both Gould and Pappas have denied it on Twitter, and they're alleged to be two of the big clubs involved.

But for the most part, I think the clubs are holding onto their bargaining position to get a bit more $ their way. Which is basically what Brad Walter's just said in the latest SMH article.

Well they would say that wouldn't they, it's not like they're going to reveal their plans to join the Super 15 before they've got it all sorted. I hope you enjoy a collapsed scrum or 12.
 

Johnny88

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How much more of a hammering will the NRL take? They should come out and say we wont be on Foxtel from 2018. Then they will really have a reason to hate the NRL.
I like the idea of a NRL Network channel. They would have simulcast rights to 9's games and they do the other 4. Have a app on Playstation and other apps pay a fee every month or season. Keep all the profits. NRL need to forget Fox now and do something different.
 

adamkungl

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Gould is currently on twitter answering fan questions.

He has been fairly supportive of Smith, saying he believes he needs more support, and praising the the deal (obviously).

He also said he thinks Greenberg is in the wrong position.

Read into this what you will.
 

canberra_raiders2k2

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How much more of a hammering will the NRL take? They should come out and say we wont be on Foxtel from 2018. Then they will really have a reason to hate the NRL.
I like the idea of a NRL Network channel. They would have simulcast rights to 9's games and they do the other 4. Have a app on Playstation and other apps pay a fee every month or season. Keep all the profits. NRL need to forget Fox now and do something different.

Not a bad idea, something similar to the NFL Game Pass would be awesome.

The only concern is that amount of viewers we may lose, but maybe we could negotiate the FOX Games to other chanels like 7 and 10.
 

Chief_Chujo

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You know the classic python bit from Life of Brian when they're talking about how horrible the Romans are? I'm imagining Sloth, DUI, Hooper and co in that. 'Well what have the ARLC ever done for us' lol
 

adamkungl

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Fox will pay up. Let's not forget they tried the same nonsense before the last record deal, just not quite as dramatically.

My ideal scenario is Fox simulcasting an expanded comp which runs 9 games Thurs-Sun.
Thurs night
Fri night
Sat 3 5 7
Sun 1 3 5 7

A big increase in the digital rights and subsequently a massive increase in the quality of the product - needs to be a legitimate viewing option and not a last ditch backup.
 

Johnny88

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NRL CEO Dave Smith under increasing pressure from clubs
Paul Crawley Daily Tele
ANGRY NRL club bosses are to draw up a list of demands for under fire NRL boss Dave Smith.
And if the NRL refuses to listen and then act on the changes, then rugby league could well be heading for a new Super League type “war”.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal that there is a phone hook-up scheduled for 4pm Monday with all 16 chairman invited.
But Smith won’t be included in the debate.
It is understood eight clubs have already vowed to stand together in this fight.

One source told The Daily Telegraph that while clubs don’t have the power to vote Dave Smith out under the ARL Commission’s present structure, they do have the power to hold off signing any upcoming offer to stay a part of the NRL competition as we know it.
What that means is that if the club’s don’t commit to a new contract beyond 2017, the NRL won’t have enough teams to fill the free-to-air TV contract they have already agreed to with Channel 9.
While no one wants another war to happen, many clubs are sick of being given what they label lip service by Smith and Commission chairman John Grant.
The club chairman listened to Smith and John Grant talk them through the TV deal last week, and it’s fair to say they were less than impressed with the information that was forthcoming.

Among the list of demands expected to be talked about include:
* Clubs need $2.5m to $3m above what the players get paid to ensure clubs are profitable;
* Grassroots rugby league needs to be fixed as well as bush football;
* Rule changes will come under the microscope following the recent shoulder charge fiasco;
* They want a clear understanding of how the NRL will fix what has been called a refereeing crisis;
* There is also major concerns about plans to scrap the under 20s competition;
* Clubs also want the NRL to do more to help reduce costs for junior players;
* And administration costs associated to NRL head office must be halved.
Clubs are said to be furious that promises were not acted on. A source said the clubs don’t want to go to war with the NRL.
Until the deal is right, they have vowed not to sign on again. The reality is this could drag on for another two years.
After Monday’s hook-up, it is expected the club chairman will then take their demands to the NRL before a further chairmans’ meeting with Smith in Brisbane in October.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nrl...ssure-from-clubs/story-e6frfkp9-1227495437419
 

Johnny88

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Another idea Fox can do is with the simulcast right get rid of the dirty 9 feed, have there own graphics and commentators so most wouldn't even know what the 9 games are. Also why doesn't Fox talk to 9 and buy back the Saturday game money talks im sure 9 would sell it. Better ways for Fox to go about this.
 

Johnny88

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Murdoch crap. Why did you post this agenda driven rubbish
People can read it and make there own minds up its not like they are being brainwashed. I don't work for News or Fairfax I just post them. Don't shoot the messenger :lol:
 

elbusto

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People can read it and make there own minds up its not like they are being brainwashed. I don't work for News or Fairfax I just post them. Don't shoot the messenger :lol:

Given what has happened over the past week posting news limited articles here is going to get s response
 

Johnny88

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Not a bad idea, something similar to the NFL Game Pass would be awesome.

The only concern is that amount of viewers we may lose, but maybe we could negotiate the FOX Games to other chanels like 7 and 10.

Yeah I mean everyone says streaming is the future there was talk years ago the AFL wanted to do this as well. WWE network is another example of this working and they still have there 2 main shows on other networks. The NRL would have everything. Fox wouldn't know what to do if this happen.
 

Canard

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Haha the clubs want more done for grassroots and Juniors!!:lol::lol:


You can't make that shit up.

It's just so obviously bullshit
 
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NRL CEO Dave Smith under increasing pressure from clubs
Paul Crawley Daily Tele
ANGRY NRL club bosses are to draw up a list of demands for under fire NRL boss Dave Smith.
And if the NRL refuses to listen and then act on the changes, then rugby league could well be heading for a new Super League type ?war?.
The Daily Telegraph can reveal that there is a phone hook-up scheduled for 4pm Monday with all 16 chairman invited.
But Smith won?t be included in the debate.
It is understood eight clubs have already vowed to stand together in this fight.

One source told The Daily Telegraph that while clubs don?t have the power to vote Dave Smith out under the ARL Commission?s present structure, they do have the power to hold off signing any upcoming offer to stay a part of the NRL competition as we know it.
What that means is that if the club?s don?t commit to a new contract beyond 2017, the NRL won?t have enough teams to fill the free-to-air TV contract they have already agreed to with Channel 9.
While no one wants another war to happen, many clubs are sick of being given what they label lip service by Smith and Commission chairman John Grant.
The club chairman listened to Smith and John Grant talk them through the TV deal last week, and it?s fair to say they were less than impressed with the information that was forthcoming.

Among the list of demands expected to be talked about include:
* Clubs need $2.5m to $3m above what the players get paid to ensure clubs are profitable;
* Grassroots rugby league needs to be fixed as well as bush football;
* Rule changes will come under the microscope following the recent shoulder charge fiasco;
* They want a clear understanding of how the NRL will fix what has been called a refereeing crisis;
* There is also major concerns about plans to scrap the under 20s competition;
* Clubs also want the NRL to do more to help reduce costs for junior players;
* And administration costs associated to NRL head office must be halved.
Clubs are said to be furious that promises were not acted on. A source said the clubs don?t want to go to war with the NRL.
Until the deal is right, they have vowed not to sign on again. The reality is this could drag on for another two years.
After Monday?s hook-up, it is expected the club chairman will then take their demands to the NRL before a further chairmans? meeting with Smith in Brisbane in October.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nrl...ssure-from-clubs/story-e6frfkp9-1227495437419

Tbh, I have no problems with the parts in bold.
 

Canard

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Tbh, I have no problems with the parts in bold.

None of those issues are breakaway comp stuff and most aren't things that clubs generally give two shit's about.

The ref thing is sensationalist bullshit, "crisis" has become more overused then "star"
 

adamkungl

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Haha the clubs want more done for grassroots and Juniors!!:lol::lol:


You can't make that shit up.

It's just so obviously bullshit

Doubt it. The bullshit part is the threat of a breakaway that News is pushing. The true part is that 12 clubs are using the current situation as leverage to get more out of the NRL and more say in matters.

Here's the SMH take

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-a-breakaway-competition-20150823-gj5qxh.html

Club bosses are set to seek assurances from the NRL about the treatment of long-standing partners Telstra and Fox Sports during recent negotiations that resulted in the record $925 million free-to-air broadcast deal with Channel Nine.
However, South Sydney chairman Nick Pappas and Penrith general manager Phil Gould took to Twitter to debunk reports that disillusioned clubs were considering breaking away from the NRL.

"Yawn: Rugby league clubs want CEO Dave Smith gone or threaten to leave competition," Pappas tweeted.


Gould tweeted: "Is it just me or is anyone else experiencing deja vu when it comes to reporting on NRL/Fox/tv rights? Seems to me I've seen all this before".


The fallout from the deal with Nine, which angered News Corp executives ? led by Rupert Murdoch ? to such an extent they rushed to conclude a deal with the AFL that trumped the NRL's announcement, has been seized on by clubs as a means to increase pressure on Smith and chairman John Grant over the running of the game and the amount of funding they receive.

While reports of a Super League-style breakaway are little more than News Corp propaganda, the 12 clubs yet to sign participation agreements with the NRL beyond 2017 believe that the Nine deal puts them in a strong bargaining position ? because if they don't sign, there will be no competition for Nine to broadcast.
St George Illawarra, Wests Tigers, Newcastle and Gold Coast are the only clubs to have signed new participation agreements. The other clubs plan to hold out until the NRL agrees to some of their demands.

The chairmen of all 16 clubs will discuss the recent developments during a phone hook-up on Monday that had been organised before Smith's shock announcement of the deal with Nine, which provides four live games a week on free-to-air television from 2018.
The clubs want an increase in their annual NRL grant from $7.5 million a year to $12 million if the salary cap rises to $10 million a year in 2018 ? or an annual payment of more than $2 million in excess of their total wages bill for players.

Some of them are also pushing for the clubs to have a greater influence in the appointment of the eight independent directors on the ARL Commission and believe Grant should consider standing down after four years as chairman.
To remove a commissioner requires the votes of 14 clubs or 10 clubs with the additional support of both the NSW and Queensland Rugby Leagues. Should either of these events occur, the remaining commissioners would appoint a replacement, not the clubs.

Fairfax Media was told by one chairman that Grant and the commissioners had done little to establish relationships with the clubs, who are the biggest stakeholders in the NRL.
However, NRL management has held engagement sessions with 13 of the 16 clubs in recent weeks in an attempt to improve relationships and communicate their plans to grow the game.

Even Smith's fiercest critics within the game have been glowing in praise of the deal done with Nine but there are now concerns that the overall value of the broadcast rights may fall short of what the AFL will receive because of the way negotiations with Fox Sports, owned by News Corp, and Telstra have been handled so far.
It is understood that AFL officials had aimed for a $1.75 billion five-year deal and ended up with $750 million more for just an extra 12 months after a week of frantic negotiations that began the day after Smith trumpeted the NRL's deal with Nine.

The NRL are still optimistic that Fox Sports will pay about $800 million for the rights to broadcast all eight matches a week live, including the four games on Nine, under a simulcast arrangement similar to the one they have with Channel Seven for AFL, and will be buoyed by the pay TV viewing numbers of 322,000 for Saturday night's Roosters-Broncos match compared with 60,000 for the Sydney AFL derby clash between the Swans and Giants.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ompetition-20150823-gj5qxh.html#ixzz3jda5ATgd
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook



Some more Gould tidbits from twitter. These ones not so good.

He won't say anything negative about Ch9 coverage, obviously. Complaints about games starting on time, lack of professionalism, Standard Def coverage, etc, are waved away.

He is behind the times on what is expected of sports broadcasting in 2015. He has no belief that a high quality streaming coverage is viable yet. This is straight up nonsense.

He is also anti-expansion, running with the 'not enough players' argument. I would expect this from someone running a current club.


Hoping the clubs get their demands mostly met but expansion has to be allowed as part of this.
 
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A compromise should be involved the clubs demands will be met in return the clubs must agree to expansion of the competition. The clubs can't have it there way forever there needs to be leeway for the NRL admin to actually growing the game instead of 'heartland this and that'. Also, the clubs need to step up and be proactive for once the demands are met.
 
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