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NRL rebellion: Rugby league clubs want CEO Dave Smith gone or threaten to leave comp

some11

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That's fine.

We have teams in Melbourne and New Zealand that are more successful than their sunk cost fallacies.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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Take a look at the make up of the AFL comp compared to 20 years ago. Hard to argue they haven't been successful in growing their footprint in both their heartlands and expansion areas whilst NRL has contracted and licked its wounds from the SL fiasco.

Lions, Swans, GWS, Suns. All money pits. Swans only make a dollar when they are winning. The Lions have been a joke for 10 years. Suns are on the GC, which has proven to be the worst sporting market in the country time and again. GWS.....players cant wait to leave the joint and get home. They are in the wilderness.

Physical fiitprunt expansion is just marketing and statistics if you don't get mindshare, which the AFL hasn't, by and large. Same for the Storm in Melbourne. The Rams. The Reds. All specialised niches who were victims of mass marketing when some specialised stuff would have been much better.

The AFL and NRL are what they are and always will be in Oz. What League has is NZ, the Pacific Islands and improving international competitiob with the northern hemis0hete, which the AFL will never have.

Where the teams are located is just a very costly exercise in Victorian dick swinging and actually induces snide giggles outside of the AFL states, such is the delusional propaganda of Melburnians. Only the true believers regurgitate it and whilst you will get a section of coverts anywhere you go, the status quo will remain.

AFL comp cant support 18 teams with top line talent. Neither can the NRL. Its struggling at 16. Why expand?

The true value lies in quality over quantity, not marketing and spin. Regardless, Rugby League Central has a lot more shit to sort out from grassroots through to club land and the ridiculous rep season begore ot even thinks about expansion.

Relocation, on the other hand.....
 

applesauce

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Unfortunately perception is reality and the AFL footprint regardless of how well it is supported in affiliated states is considered a truely national sport/competition.

This helps with ABC coverage (national network), advertising campaigns (national marketing) and government funding (national infrastructure). Overall their code is now worth more and no doubt a national footprint is not the sole reason but it certainly plays a role, the degree of which is debatable.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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After reading through all of the TV deal shit, im actually feeling onside with the #sackJohnGrant crew....

Give the job to Graeme Samuals. He's a tough nut
 

Diesel

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I don't know much about Samuels but I read here before than underperformance clubs will go/relocated so if he gets in it'll be very interesting.
 

hineyrulz

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John Grant botched the deal as far as I'm concerned, he should f**k off in his masaratti and cheer for the Cronulla seagulls.
 

Chief_Chujo

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We had the right man, but a smear job from news and some greedy merkin club chairmen f**ked it. This game will never stop being its own worst enemy.
 

hineyrulz

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We had the right man, but a smear job from news and some greedy merkin club chairmen f**ked it. This game will never stop being its own worst enemy.
Spot on mate, Grant was more worried about DH likes Politis and Dib and not what was best for the fans and the game. The game is run by idiots and greedy merkins more worried about themselves then what was best for the game.
 

Perth Red

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ARL Commission chairman John Grant has rejected claims NRL clubs suffered losses of up to $40million this season and says he has no fears about a push to remove him from the job.
After finalising a record $1.8billion broadcast rights deal with Channel Nine, News Corp and Telstra, Grant will attend a meeting next Wednesday with club chairs who now expect the ARLC will meet their demands for grants equalling 130 per cent of the salary cap and a 52 per cent share of the game's revenue.
The clubs claim they need the increased funding to overcome combined losses of between $30million and $40 million but Grant disputed the way those figures were calculated as some receive grants of up to $5 million per season from their leagues clubs.

"That number is not right," Grant said. "That does not take into account that a number of our clubs are provided with leagues club grants that actually make up the difference and the leagues clubs are very strong clubs at the moment and that is the business model.
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"There are clubs that are privately owned that rely on private enterprise funds coming in, there are clubs that are community owned and there are clubs that are leagues club driven. That is just different business models, all of which need to be recognised as factual, so when you take that into account the number of $40 million is just not right."
Grant's comments will do little to endear him to those leading the charge to oust him from the ARLC but the huge broadcast deal is likely to ensure there will be insufficient support among the clubs for such a move.
Grant said the management of clubs had improved significantly since the ARLC took control of the game from News Corp four years ago but he acknowledged that not everyone was happy with the changes. "The commission was bought together at a time that marked a very significant point of change and change is difficult," he said. "It is difficult for people who are responsible for enacting that change and it is difficult for the people who are part of that change, and this will go on for some time.
"We are changing the culture of this game. That is the secret to this game being long-term sustainable so our job as a commission is to make sure that independent of all of our stakeholder choices we make decisions that balance all of that out. I am not the slightest bit fearful about that, nor is the commission. The commission is totally lined up around making the right decisions ... for the good of the game


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After reading through all of the TV deal shit, im actually feeling onside with the #sackJohnGrant crew....

Give the job to Graeme Samuals. He's a tough nut

Wasn't he the bloke that some were promoting as Dave Smith's top advisor on the failed first TV rights attempt?

If it was good enough to sack Smith for the debacle, then it is also good enough to sack the brains trust who allowed him to stuff up so badly.

Wasn't Smith the one who refused to take a call from the Australian Vice Captain? Wasn't Smith the bloke who spent his tenure knee jerking with rules about a game he knew little about and disrespected fans for whom he cared even less.
 

Perth Red

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Not so sure the original $900million ch9 deal was a bad thing. Where it went pear shape was allowing fox to buy back the 4th fta, they should have allowed fox back the Saturday night and brought in the ninth game for the 4th fta. Would have kept. Most of the value of the fta deal, kept the fans happy and made fox pay for expansion.
 

Quidgybo

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Not so sure the original $900million ch9 deal was a bad thing. Where it went pear shape was allowing fox to buy back the 4th fta, they should have allowed fox back the Saturday night and brought in the ninth game for the 4th fta. Would have kept. Most of the value of the fta deal, kept the fans happy and made fox pay for expansion.
As far as I can see, they still can do this. Only difference is Nine pay for expansion instead of Fox. And behold, Nine just got a boat load of money back in their kitty which they could use for exactly that.

Leigh.
 
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Hello, I'm The Doctor

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As far as I can see, they still can do this. Only difference is Nine pay for expansion instead of Fox. And behold, Nine just got a boat load of money back in their kitty which they could use for exactly that.

Leigh.

Fox seemed like the more likely condidates to back expansion for the telecast rights...

9 seem happy enough with the status quo.
 

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NRL clubs reach funding deal with ARLC after 10-hour meeting

FINALLY, peace has been reached between the NRL and its fed-up clubs.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal under-pressure ARL Commission chairman John Grant relented on Wednesday and agreed to give all 16 clubs the additional funding they have demanded for the past three months.

It was a landmark agreement.

The deal was brokered at a marathon 10-hour meeting inside League Central on Wednesday. Final figures are yet to be settled but clubs got what they wanted - more money.

Grant is expected to formally trumpet the deal at a press conference today, which is the reason why NRL officials refused to release a media statement late last night.

“Today was a really constructive meeting and the progress we hoped to make today was made,” said spokesman for the clubs, Bart Campbell, chairman of the Melbourne Storm.

The combined outlay under the new deal from the NRL to the clubs is believed to be about $70 million.

One club chairman said: “We are in broad agreement, a heads of agreement if you like. We are in agreement over the commercial principles. We still need to work through some detail but we are pretty much on the same page.

“Timing and detail still have to be worked out but we can now go forward, which is good.”

Asked had peace been reached, the chairman said: “Yes, definitely.”


Chairpersons seeking additional funding from a cashed-up NRL walked into League Central at 10am on Wednesday and didn’t emerge until 8pm. The meeting was being dubbed the most important among clubs and officials for the past five years.

All club chairpersons attended the meeting along with the eight commissioners.

It was anticipated that the meeting would be heated and dramatic. Clubs have been seeking increased funding for three months now, each attempt blocked by Grant.

There appears to be no further moves to oust Grant, as club chairpersons had previously threatened.

“I don’t think he buckled - it was just time to get on with it,” a chairman said of Grant. “The NRL realised that.”


The clubs were seeking approval for a nine point plan which included annual grants being lifted to 130 per cent of the salary cap - equating to $13m a year should the salary cap be increased to $10m - money that would help run the increasing costs of running football departments, in particular the spiralling costs of an NRL head coach.

Clubs were also seeking a 30 per cent share of future NRL profits, approval of the NRL’s budget, independent review of NRL costs, a review of the ARL Commission constitution and ensuring participation licences are indefinite. They also sought to be given $3m immediately from the NRL.

Twelve clubs still haven’t signed participation contracts to play in the NRL after 2017. Clubs claim the game has “gone past” the days when poker machines propped up teams financially.

Although denied by Grant, the clubs lost a combined total of $40m a season.

Going into the meeting, Cowboys chairman Laurence Lancini was asked whether Grant was safe.

“Absolutely, why wouldn’t he be?,” Lancini said.


The NRL CEOs are due to meet on Thursday.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...-10-hour-meeting/story-e6frf3ou-1227631682434
 

POPEYE

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Im impressed that the clubs leaked none of the details.

So the Telegraph article is nothing more than grandstanding as usual, they know nothing more than the rest of us, Grant will tell us what we need to know after the clubs told him what he needed to know
 

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-Perpetual licenses
-2018-22 $100m a year spent on grassroots
-2016-22 Each club receives $1.5m a year to be directed to grow club revenues
-2018-22 NRL grant raised to 130% of salary cap

NRL club funding agreement

The NRL and the 16 NRL clubs today unveiled a new funding agreement which will help secure the future of the game at every level.

From 2018, the deal will deliver more than $100 million extra per year to the 16 clubs until 2022 and around $100 million more will be invested to grow the game from the grassroots to the elite competitions each year.

The landmark deal follows the $1.8 billion broadcast rights deal secured by the ARL Commission last week.

ARLC Chairman John Grant and clubs representative Bart Campbell said it was one of the most important agreements in the game's history.

"The ARLC sought to balance the need for strong and financially viable clubs with the need to invest to grow the game - and this agreement will help us achieve these goals," Mr Grant said.

"The new broadcast deal created a unique opportunity for the ARLC, the Clubs and the States to come to an agreement that secures the game's future – and we all agreed to take it."

Mr Campbell said the 16 NRL clubs were now in a position to invest off the field to build their capacity and capability and to become stronger and more professional than ever before.

"This agreement is a very significant milestone for the game of rugby league," he said.

"It has been reached after a robust but collaborative process that maintained a clear focus on ensuring the Clubs can be financially strong in the short to medium term and that investment can be directed to grow the game over the long term.

"The clubs and the Commission are now entirely aligned and our fans and sponsors can get behind their clubs with the confidence that we will be around for the long term."

Key elements of the funding agreement include payments to clubs of $1.5m each year from 2016 to 2022 to be directed to improving their operational capability and to driving commercial revenues, and a grant of 130% of total player payments from 2018 – 2022.

The ARLC and clubs will now sign a Memorandum of Understanding while the agreement is formalised.

The final package will include agreement on other non-commercial issues and will form the basis for each club to hold a perpetual licence to play in the NRL competition.

Mr Grant said that, with the agreement in place, the ARLC and the clubs can now focus on the future as one.

"We are now both intent on making the game stronger at every level… from the grassroots through to the elite levels," he said.

"This is a unique opportunity for rugby league and we are going to work together to make the most of it."
http://www.nrl.com/nrl-club-funding-agreement/tabid/10874/newsid/91081/default.aspx
 
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