NRL Salary Cap/CBA -2023 - 2027

[Iamback]

Everything the RLPA request comes at a cost

So yes its about money

And about a new suit wanting to muscle in

ex player needs operation, NRL will fund it. Still is money just not directly to the player

 

[Timmah]

I’ve seen players themselves say strike action is possible when the reality is they are no chance of doing it

I’m tired of clubs and players putting the game through the wringer and crying like babies until they get what they want

players don’t care about the game itself anymore which is sad

when I started watching the game they were way less selfish than the prima donnas of today

Can you point out which players have explicitly said strike action is possible?

And I'm not referring to boycotting media days or similar. Which players have said "we will consider strike action"?

 

[Iamback]

Can you point out which players have explicitly said strike action is possible?

And I'm not referring to boycotting media days or similar. Which players have said "we will consider strike action"?

Capewell said all options are on the table

 

[Timmah]

Capewell said all options are on the table

The extent of what he said, to my understanding, was. "The longer this CBA drags out, the worse it’s going to have an effect." That's about as close as he got.

Journalists tried pressing him on it and he said "Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.”

Doesn't sound to me like they want to strike.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

So has the RLPA come out and refuted they won't strike?
Because if they haven't then the perception by the public will be that they haven't ruled it out.

 

[siv]

ex player needs operation, NRL will fund it. Still is money just not directly to the player

But its a player cost even if ex-player

And now the question is this in their 34% requests

Or is 34% really 45% when include things like FBT

 

[siv]

So has the RLPA come out and refuted they won't strike?
Because if they haven't then the perception by the public will be that they haven't ruled it out.

Their response officially is

All cards are on the table

 

[Perth Red]

Their response officially is

All cards are on the table

as it should be. No point holding a gun to someone’s head if they know it’s not loaded!

clubs got a 67% grant increase above players wages and player cost savings, players have been offered 22% with costly strings attached.
And somehow the players are greedy??

 

[Iamback]

Their response officially is

All cards are on the table

Yep exactly that, They won't strike but still the threat is there

 

[Iamback]

But is a player cost even if ex-player

And now the question is is this in their 34% requests

Or us 34% really 45% when include things like FBT

Which is my questioning as to what they see the end result of the injury fund. Part of the 34% or on top

 

[Perth Red]

Which is my questioning as to what they see the end result of the injury fund. Part of the 34% or on top

I’m sure it’s above and beyond cap level. A $12.1mill cap is around 32% of predicted $600mill revenue for the men. An extra 2% would only be $700k per club on the cap. An injury fund would cost much more than that.

 

[Iamback]

I’m sure it’s above and beyond cap level. A $12.1mill cap is around 32% of predicted $600mill revenue for the men. An extra 2% would only be $700k per club on the cap. An injury fund would cost much more than that.

So how much more are we talking? There is not a lot of detail around it. Aaron Woods again said the cap figure is fine. so are they looking for 40% overall?

17 teams now. The cap of a team is 2% so it is at 34% using $600m revenue

 

[Perth Red]

On the clubs, the nrl has a proposed salary cap of
$11.45mill top 30 players
$650k development players
$884k nrlw

total nrl and nrlw player payments $13mill

are clubs asking for $5million above this, or just above the mens cap?
If full amount Will clubs without nrlw teams get less?
Or is it above mens cap and then clubs running nrlw teams will get a seperate grant on top of the $17.1mill as they did last year?

 

[Iamback]

The extent of what he said, to my understanding, was. "The longer this CBA drags out, the worse it’s going to have an effect." That's about as close as he got.

Journalists tried pressing him on it and he said "Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.”

Doesn't sound to me like they want to strike.

Of course they don't, Any hit to NRL revenue hurts them but they still haven't ruled it out

 

[Perth Red]

So how much more are we talking? There is not a lot of detail around it. Aaron Woods again said the cap figure is fine. so are they looking for 40% overall?

I guess that is where the current argie bargey is. Presuming the commision are not dismissing the concept of a reitred players support fund out of hand.

I’ve no idea what an insurance scheme like what players are asking for would cost, depends on its parameters I suppose?

An extra 6% of games revenue would be around $36million a year. that sounds a lot but for 800 plus players in a high risk occupation who knows?

whats reasonable?
For me I’d say 3-5 years of support for injuries sustained whilst playing capped at X amount of $’s with some exceptions for life impacting disabilities caused ina game ie alex McKinnon scenario.. A limited $ support fund for players whose careers are stopped due to injury.
Plus a seperate family support fund for players that develop CTE later in life.

that seems fair for a $1billion business realiant on players putting their health on the line to deliver the product the nrl sells..
$ amounts would have to be based on what the game can realistically afford and I’d be ok with it being tied to revenue levels.

 

[morton's beanie]

Oh yea. All professional rugby league players are on contracts paying them a few hundred thousand a year None of them are ever paid the code's minimum wage, which is (IIRC) under A$100,000 p/a.

Also by that logic, you are effectively syaing in any field where people pay to watch others perform entitles them to a say in that person's emplyment entitlemnets means professional tennis players, basketball players, golfers, actors can all be dictatde to by fans when something happens they don't like? I mean, really?! What next, fans vote on who should be in the starting side next week? Sorry but your logic on this point is rather ridiculous.

My logic was sound. It's your ridiculous response that threw it all a skew.

No one said all of em made a few 100k a year. That's your own shit take you're eye rolling at.

You said we'd be outraged if our normal jobs had people outside the industry having a say on things. You can't compare because my job doesn't exist solely for the entertainment of others. If no one wants to watch these merkins work they're worthless, so I'd argue they've gotta take that stakeholders thoughts onboard a little more.

Entertainers live and die on the opinions of the fans. A career could end tomorrow over a tweet you made a decade ago. You reckon it was the NBA players who got together and decided to play on Christmas Day or you think that might be geared towards giving the fans what they want?

 

[siv]

On the clubs, the nrl has a proposed salary cap of
$11.45mill top 30 players
$650k development players
$884k nrlw

total nrl and nrlw player payments $13mill

are clubs asking for $5million above this, or just above the mens cap?
If full amount Will clubs without nrlw teams get less?
Or is it above mens cap and then clubs running nrlw teams will get a seperate grant on top of the $17.1mill as they did last year?

The $5 mil for football operations cap is seperate from the player NRL Top30+6 and NRLW Top 25 salary caps

Grants are designed to cover all of these amounts, thats why the 130% grant was agreed

Clubs technically pay all of players & coaching staff club commitments from that amount

 

[Perth Red]

The $5 mil for football operations cap is seperate from the player NRL Top30+6 and NRLW Top 25 salary caps

Grants are designed to cover all of these amounts, thats why the 130% grant was agreed

Clubs technically pay all of players & coaching staff club commitments from that amount

Yes wasnt including the football club cap (is this still even a thing? Never heard anyone mention it or breaking it)

Was interested if it’s $5mill on nrl mens cap level or $5mill on top of nrl + nrlw cap level?

ie $17.1mill or $18mill to clubs?

 

[Captain Apollo]

My logic was sound. It's your ridiculous response that threw it all a skew.

No one said all of em made a few 100k a year. That's your own shit take you're eye rolling at.

You said we'd be outraged if our normal jobs had people outside the industry having a say on things. You can't compare because my job doesn't exist solely for the entertainment of others. If no one wants to watch these merkins work they're worthless, so I'd argue they've gotta take that stakeholders thoughts onboard a little more.

Entertainers live and die on the opinions of the fans. A career could end tomorrow over a tweet you made a decade ago. You reckon it was the NBA players who got together and decided to play on Christmas Day or you think that might be geared towards giving the fans what they want?

Oh so its ok for outsiders who do not pay the "high paid" players to have a say in their employment conditions? That's the numb of your argument. It is completely illogical, and without precedent anywhere in the world.

Do you seriously think in the NBA (since you mentioned it) that fans have any say on when players could sign new contracts for when their contracts expire? As to Christmas Day games, I would not be surprised if you find it was negotiated. Also some transactrions over the years have been thrown out due to them being foound to run afoul of the law (e.g. the transfer system used by the NSWRL until the 1970s, the NSWRL draft, heck even the transfer system used in European Football until the Bosman court case).

 

[siv]

Yes wasnt including the football club cap (is this still even a thing? Never heard anyone mention it or breaking it)

Was interested if it’s $5mill on nrl mens cap level or $5mill on top of nrl + nrlw cap level?

ie $17.1mill or $18mill to clubs?

If salary cap is $11.45 mil plus $883k plus $640k or about $13 mil

Then the grant should $13 mil x 130% = $16.9 mil or about $17 mil

The extra 30% covers the football operation