NRL Salary Cap/CBA -2023 - 2027

[Perth Red]

Doesn’t seem to be easy now

since Clint has said the rlpa is a union what they are doing is actually illegal not giving players a choice of joining

Thanks legal eagle lol

 

[siv]

End of day players are happy for it to come out of the players funding allocation. It should be up to them how much of it goes to the RLPA, if they want more or less is their choice.

Your right

But today players allocation is managed as part of the Salary Cap minimums

Lets say 50% only goes to the RLPA

What happens to the rest?

 

[Perth Red]

Your right

But today players allocation is managed as part of the Salary Cap minimums

Lets say 50% only goes to the RLPA

What happens to the rest?

I guess it would go back into the cap allowance. Or it may go back into the NRl's pocket like the missing $1million has done?

 

[siv]

Wonder how long until the NSWRL and QRL say the 35% of NRL revenue, generated by SOO is actually theirs

And shouldnt be used to run the NRL and NRLW comps or pay NRL/NRLW players

 

[siv]

I guess it would go back into the cap allowance. Or it may go back into the NRl's pocket like the missing $1million has done?

That means everything must align to the salary cap/club grant announcements

 

[Perth Red]

Wonder how long until the NSWRL and QRL say the 35% of NRL revenue, generated by SOO is actually theirs

And shouldnt be used to run the NRL and NRLW comps or pay NRL/NRLW players

TBF they both get $20million a year grant from NRL, which I presume is coming out of the profits from Origin? Meanwhile states like WA get less than $1million to try and grow participation!

 

[siv]

TBF they both get $20million a year grant from NRL, which I presume is coming out of the profits from Origin? Meanwhile states like WA get less than $1million to try and grow participation!

RLPA would say thats what the 60% is for

 

[Wb1234]

Wonder how much coin Clint is on

20 million sounds like he’s built himself a really nice empire

 

[10$ Ferret]

This is typical crap from both sides thinking NRL is the sport.
Rugby League is the sport and NRL is a competition. Yes it generates revenue but some of that is supposed to go into funding the sport that the NRL is a part of. Not a pittance but a reasonable sensible amount.
When they start talking about that I will will start giving a flying "f" about this disagreement

 

[Captain Apollo]

Wonder how much coin Clint is on

20 million sounds like he’s built himself a really nice empire

A lot would go on wages. Clint is not vthe RLPA's only employee. Also it would have to fund other expenses such as rent for office accommodation. The biggest cost for unions are, not the office bearers usually (as only the Secretary and Assistant Secretaries (or equivalents) are paid) but the organisers who are the paid staff and front line staff whom members speak to.

 

[Wb1234]

A lot would go on wages. Clint is not vthe RLPA's only employee. Also it would have to fund other expenses such as rent for office accommodation. The biggest cost for unions are, not the office bearers usually (as only the Secretary and Assistant Secretaries (or equivalents) are paid) but the organisers who are the paid staff and front line staff whom members speak to.

There’s no oversight though

if the players actually paid for it themselves the rlpa would be a lot more accountable

sounds like a lot of the games money is being wasted tbh

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[Chimp]

I doubt the guys on 300k would pay the 4K

Jdb and brown on the turps

photos of the barbie at vaunies place

In reality, it would be a percentage of salary, so the top earners would pay more - which I reckon makes it even less likely the RLPA would get anywhere near the same as they currently get if it moved to a membership model.

Then who negotiates the CBA with the NRL? They going to go to individual contract agreement with 750 different players? Theres a reason NRL are happy to pay out, one its not their money its the players, two its easier (usually) to negotiate with one rep body than 750 employees.

This is right (although they could still have a standard NRL contract that all NRL players have to sign, and clubs just agree the individual wages), but of course there is value in a strong RLPA, for both the NRL and the players - but it’s supposed to be a partnership, whereas old Clint has used it as an opportunity to be militant and obstructive, when in reality the players are getting a fantastic deal - the NRL have got the game into arguably its strongest ever financial position, and the players are reaping the rewards, but instead of working with the NRL on positive actions moving forward to further increase the games revenue (and therefore player salaries), the RLPA has got everyone tied up in a pointless battle, trying to bleed every last $ out of the game, but really, just trying to jostle for power and personal benefit.

 

[Perth Red]

In reality, it would be a percentage of salary, so the top earners would pay more - which I reckon makes it even less likely the RLPA would get anywhere near the same as they currently get if it moved to a membership model.

This is right (although they could still have a standard NRL contract that all NRL players have to sign, and clubs just agree the individual wages), but of course there is value in a strong RLPA, for both the NRL and the players - but it’s supposed to be a partnership, whereas old Clint has used it as an opportunity to be militant and obstructive, when in reality the players are getting a fantastic deal - the NRL have got the game into arguably its strongest ever financial position, and the players are reaping the rewards, but instead of working with the NRL on positive actions moving forward to further increase the games revenue (and therefore player salaries), the RLPA has got everyone tied up in a pointless battle, trying to bleed every last $ out of the game, but really, just trying to jostle for power and personal benefit.

Again the reality is far different from the media anti-clint rhetoric you have swallowed. The players are backing the RLPA, the players saying these so called 'pointless battles' are actually very important to them, the players have lost trust in the NRL management after they tried to screw them and we know Vlandys, in his own words 'prefers a fight to a dinner' (and we have numerous faield examples of this in last two years).

The RLPA have literally said bring in an independent mediator and we will abide by their recommendations. Not sure you can get fairer than that in a stalemate situation. Whats the NRL hold up in doing that? Maybe they can ask Vlandys when they interview him?

 

[siv]

Again the reality is far different from the media anti-clint rhetoric you have swallowed. The players are backing the RLPA, the players saying these so called 'pointless battles' are actually very important to them, the players have lost trust in the NRL management after they tried to screw them and we know Vlandys, in his own words 'prefers a fight to a dinner' (and we have numerous faield examples of this in last two years).

The RLPA have literally said bring in an independent mediator and we will abide by their recommendations. Not sure you can get fairer than that in a stalemate situation. Whats the NRL hold up in doing that? Maybe they can ask Vlandys when they interview him?

Probably because the RLPA will ask the NRL to fund it from outside the player 40% allocation

 

[Chimp]

Again the reality is far different from the media anti-clint rhetoric you have swallowed. The players are backing the RLPA, the players saying these so called 'pointless battles' are actually very important to them, the players have lost trust in the NRL management after they tried to screw them and we know Vlandys, in his own words 'prefers a fight to a dinner' (and we have numerous faield examples of this in last two years).

The RLPA have literally said bring in an independent mediator and we will abide by their recommendations. Not sure you can get fairer than that in a stalemate situation. Whats the NRL hold up in doing that? Maybe they can ask Vlandys when they interview him?

If I’ve swallowed the media rhetoric, then you’ve gobbled down Clint’s and gone back for 2nds.

You say the players see them as ‘important’, and I’m sure some do, but there are growing reports, not just from media, but from club coaches and senior management that suggests many players haven’t a clue what the fuss is about, and are just blindly following the RLPA guidance - they’re being led by Clint and a few militant senior players, who in my opinion, are not acting in ‘partnership’, but rather to self-serve. This isn’t a proper ‘Union’ and isn’t being run by experienced and well qualified professionals, it’s being run and led by dumb footballers, with pretty much ZERO corporate or industrial relations experience - they’ve got themselves into a battle that simply wouldn’t have happened in normal corporate world, as any normal, well run Union would have seen what a great deal they’re getting and let some of the other stuff slide.

The best of industrial relations are where both parties are pulling in the same direction, acting in the best interests of the long term future of the business, whilst simultaneously protecting employees - everything from the RLPA appears to be take take take. There’s no recognition of the good elements of the proposed CBA and there doesn’t appear to be any flexibility. The RLPA are acting as though the NRL have a history of exploiting their workers - when in reality, NRL players are far better looked after than pretty much any other employee in any walk of life. They certainly shouldn’t be in a position where they’re going to war with the NRL (and effectively the broadcasters) - they’re biting the hand that feeds them, very handsomely.

As for independent mediators, there’s already been 2, you conveniently overlook that (1 appointed by NRL, 1 by RLPA, both paid for by NRL), that have both been unsuccessful, because the RLPA are not willing to budge on anything. A third would just add more time and expense, when PVL believes he can get the deal done if Clint and his personal agenda is removed.

 

[Perth Red]

If I’ve swallowed the media rhetoric, then you’ve gobbled down Clint’s and gone back for 2nds.

You say the players see them as ‘important’, and I’m sure some do, but there are growing reports, not just from media, but from club coaches and senior management that suggests many players haven’t a clue what the fuss is about, and are just blindly following the RLPA guidance - they’re being led by Clint and a few militant senior players, who in my opinion, are not acting in ‘partnership’, but rather to self-serve. This isn’t a proper ‘Union’ and isn’t being run by experienced and well qualified professionals, it’s being run and led by dumb footballers, with pretty much ZERO corporate or industrial relations experience - they’ve got themselves into a battle that simply wouldn’t have happened in normal corporate world, as any normal, well run Union would have seen what a great deal they’re getting and let some of the other stuff slide.

The best of industrial relations are where both parties are pulling in the same direction, acting in the best interests of the long term future of the business, whilst simultaneously protecting employees - everything from the RLPA appears to be take take take. There’s no recognition of the good elements of the proposed CBA and there doesn’t appear to be any flexibility. The RLPA are acting as though the NRL have a history of exploiting their workers - when in reality, NRL players are far better looked after than pretty much any other employee in any walk of life. They certainly shouldn’t be in a position where they’re going to war with the NRL (and effectively the broadcasters) - they’re biting the hand that feeds them, very handsomely.

As for independent mediators, there’s already been 2, you conveniently overlook that (1 appointed by NRL, 1 by RLPA, both paid for by NRL), that have both been unsuccessful, because the RLPA are not willing to budge on anything. A third would just add more time and expense, when PVL believes he can get the deal done if Clint and his personal agenda is removed.

Nice rant, most of which you would have no idea of true or not And a number of things just plain wrong lol
ive not heard one single player say they disagree with what’s happening. When we do then we will know, until then We can only presume the many players we have had heard from who are in support of the rlpas actions are the majority.

No there hasn’t been an independent mediator yet, the two you are talking about where employed by the nrl to negotiate on their behalf.

rlpa has said they’ll abide by an independent mediator, why is Vlandys stalling bringing one in? Surely given the players have committed to this it is the quickest way of resolving it.

clubs asked for $5mill over cap, nrl granted it no discussion, no strings attached, despite it costing funding of grassroots. I have no problem with players who put Their health on the line for our entertainment making sure the conditions they get are the best they can be.

 

[Chimp]

Nice rant, most of which you would have no idea of true or not And a number of things just plain wrong lol
ive not heard one single player say they disagree with what’s happening. When we do then we will know, until then We can only presume the many players we have had heard from who are in support of the rlpas actions are the majority.

No there hasn’t been an independent mediator yet, the two you are talking about where employed by the nrl to negotiate on their behalf.

rlpa has said they’ll abide by an independent mediator, why is Vlandys stalling bringing one in? Surely given the players have committed to this it is the quickest way of resolving it.

clubs asked for $5mill over cap, nrl granted it no discussion, no strings attached, despite it costing funding of grassroots. I have no problem with players who put Their health on the line for our entertainment making sure the conditions they get are the best they can be.

How did Clint’s rhetoric taste? You’ve devoured it!

You’re incredibly naive (or agenda driven) if you expect any player to come out and publicly speak against the RLPA stance. What is fact is that a number of club coaches and officials have confirmed there are a large number of players who do not have a clue what the issues are, and thus are just following RLPA guidance.

 

[Perth Red]

How did Clint’s rhetoric taste? You’ve devoured it!

You’re incredibly naive (or agenda driven) if you expect any player to come out and publicly speak against the RLPA stance. What is fact is that a number of club coaches and officials have confirmed there are a large number of players who do not have a clue what the issues are, and thus are just following RLPA guidance.

Ok so no player, I repeat NO player has said they disagree with what’s happening. Numerous ones have publicly strongly supported the rlpa. 50 senior player reps are briefed regularly and take it back to their squads. But somehow you know that many players don’t agree with what’s happening ot k ow what the issues are? How do you know this? Because hooper told you so?

it was funny as f**k on nrl360 last week when the players we’re on and the goon squad we’re telling them they didnt understand the issues and they turned around and told them they understood totally what the issues are and what they were fighting for! shut them up a treat lol.

but again the rlpa has presented the solution. Why is Vlandys stalling now Given he keeps saying how keen he is to get it resolved? What’s he so worried about if an independent mediator gets involved?

 

[Chimp]

Ok so no player, I repeat NO player has said they disagree with what’s happening. Numerous ones have publicly strongly supported the rlpa. 50 senior player reps are briefed regularly and take it back to their squads. But somehow you know that many players don’t agree with what’s happening ot k ow what the issues are? How do you know this? Because hooper told you so?

it was funny as f**k on nrl360 last week when the players we’re on and the goon squad we’re telling them they didnt understand the issues and they turned around and told them they understood totally what the issues are and what they were fighting for! shut them up a treat lol.

but again the rlpa has presented the solution. Why is Vlandys stalling now Given he keeps saying how keen he is to get it resolved? What’s he so worried about if an independent mediator gets involved?

And said player went on to give ZERO detail on what the issues are, just gave a bit of generic ‘I know the issues and support the RLPA’, no detail.
I exchanged messages with Chad Townsend this last week on social media, asked him what the big issue was for him, all he did was provide a link to the RLPA website, when I asked him what HE actually had an issue with, crickets….
I couldn’t give a rats what someone like Hooper says, he’s a scumbag halfwit, but away from rugby, I’ve 20 years of experience as a senior leader in a heavily unionised industry, I’ve spent years working with different Unions, some very militant, at times in very conflicted situations, where jobs are at risk - what the RLPA are kicking up a fuss over are in reality very minor issues, and in the grand scheme of things, they’ve got themselves a very VERY good deal, yet here we are, still at war, trying to escalate the situation at every opportunity.
I’d have more respect for them if they came out and decided to strike, because at the moment, it looks very much like they want to whinge and moan and cause a fuss, go to war with the NRL, piss off the broadcasters (who effectively pay their wages), but without putting any skin in the game themselves. It’s a cause they all believe in so much, that they’ve done a media boycott, of course apart from their ‘paid’ media gigs, they’re still ok to do them - if they truly believed in what they are fighting for, a media boycott would mean a total boycot, including paid gigs - but the truth is, they want to have their cake and eat it, just as you wish to take Clint’s rhetoric and eat it, because it suits your personal agenda.

 

[Perth Red]

And said player went on to give ZERO detail on what the issues are, just gave a bit of generic ‘I know the issues and support the RLPA’, no detail.
I exchanged messages with Chad Townsend this last week on social media, asked him what the big issue was for him, all he did was provide a link to the RLPA website, when I asked him what HE actually had an issue with, crickets….
I couldn’t give a rats what someone like Hooper says, he’s a scumbag halfwit, but away from rugby, I’ve 20 years of experience as a senior leader in a heavily unionised industry, I’ve spent years working with different Unions, some very militant, at times in very conflicted situations, where jobs are at risk - what the RLPA are kicking up a fuss over are in reality very minor issues, and in the grand scheme of things, they’ve got themselves a very VERY good deal, yet here we are, still at war, trying to escalate the situation at every opportunity.
I’d have more respect for them if they came out and decided to strike, because at the moment, it looks very much like they want to whinge and moan and cause a fuss, go to war with the NRL, piss off the broadcasters (who effectively pay their wages), but without putting any skin in the game themselves. It’s a cause they all believe in so much, that they’ve done a media boycott, of course apart from their ‘paid’ media gigs, they’re still ok to do them - if they truly believed in what they are fighting for, a media boycott would mean a total boycot, including paid gigs - but the truth is, they want to have their cake and eat it, just as you wish to take Clint’s rhetoric and eat it, because it suits your personal agenda.

Independent mediator, offers on the table, why aren’t nrl taking it?