NRL set to introduce New Zealand Maori clash with Indigenous All Stars

[GAZF]

I can't play Rugby League for New Zealand or even for Queensland, am I being discriminated against?

Anyone can play for Qld.

 

[Canard]

Huh????

You're based in England and have extensive knowledge of the ethnic origins of lower grade QRL players.

Pull the other one.

 

[Walter sobchak]

Ah, because there are already Australia v nz test matches and now we also have a game celebrating the indigenous cultures of our two countries. It isn’t a test match, it does not affect test match rugby league, it doesn’t matter if an Australian represents his Māori heritage or vice versa.
Why do people have such a problem with all of this I wonder?

Not sure at what you’re trying to assume but I’m against this because I’d rather see proper full blown tests between nations and for this to be the pinnacle of RL and not games like Maori v indigenous, allstars v indigenous or state of origin.

And before you start the ANZAC test is a joke because NZ never win due to mass pullouts.

 

[Walter sobchak]

You're based in England and have extensive knowledge of the ethnic origins of lower grade QRL players.

Pull the other one.

Indeed I am based in England. Cumbria in fact.

You never heard of google or Wikipedia. You can pull up literally dozens of articles on players and find out their backgrounds.

 

[The Great Dane]

It is usually racist people who see it as a negative. Its almost like they believe they are hard done by because the indigenous cultures are being celebrated and they are not included.

Funny how the paint brush of "racist" is brought out to tar the ones standing against racism no ifs and or buts...

See to me the ones being racist in this case are the ones saying that racism is bad, except when we/this preferred group do it...

Basically you don't trust Rugby League fans.

I have no such distrust.

This is a fantastic idea and I'm 100% behind it. Happy for rednecks to ignore and moan constantly about it's existence whilst it gets bigger crowds then the NRL

If that's what you take away from that post then that is very sad.

Sign of the times I guess.

A) this describes literally every sporting event that selects teams based on the country they were born in.

B) this Indigenous All Stars concept has already been going for 10 years, and i only see positive results from it.

A. There're two fundamental differences between National teams and these All Stars team, firstly you can change your nationality unlike race and cultural heritage that you are born with and can not change, and secondly apart from extreme circumstances no nation and therefor nationality is bared from participation.

B. Again there's a fundamental difference, before with the NRL All Stars team nobody was bared from participation based on their race or cultural heritage.

No it is not the definition of racial discrimination, not even close and you should be ashamed to write that it is!

The definition of racial discrimination is:


Who will have their human rights impaired by this game? Who will be prevented from competing on an even footing?

Nice cherry picking... But pretty much everybody disagrees, even the Australian Human Rights Commission of all people.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-...rights-racial-discrimination-and-vilification

Racial discrimination is when a person is treated less favourably than another person in a similar situation because of their race, colour, descent, national or ethnic origin or immigrant status.

Also I'd say that everybody that isn't Aboriginal or Maori has been prevented from competing on an "even footing" considering that they've just been bared from participating in that level of RL based on their race or ethnicity...

This game is a celebration of the contribution these cultures have made to the game.

No-one is excluded from participating in the celebrations.

Except for every player who isn't Aboriginal or Maori...

Anyway I think I've made my point, though the hypocrisy that is allowed in this nation, and the west at large, is growing increasingly unsettling to me.

 

[Canard]

Indeed I am based in England. Cumbria in fact.

You never heard of google or Wikipedia. You can pull up literally dozens of articles on players and find out their backgrounds.

Bullshit. You're an obvious troll and related to GW.

/ignore

 

[Walter sobchak]

Bullshit. You're an obvious troll and related to GW.

/ignore

Nope. Sorry. I’m based in northern England. Who the hell is GW?

 

[Canard]

Funny how the paint brush of "racist" is brought out to tar the ones standing against racism no ifs and or buts...

See to me the ones being racist in this case are the ones saying that racism is bad, except when we/this preferred group do it...



If that's what you take away from that post then that is very sad.

Sign of the times I guess.



A. There're two fundamental differences between National teams and these All Stars team, firstly you can change your nationality unlike race and cultural heritage that you are born with and can not change, and secondly apart from extreme circumstances no nation and therefor nationality is bared from participation.

B. Again there's a fundamental difference, before with the NRL All Stars team nobody was bared from participation based on their race or cultural heritage.



Nice cherry picking... But pretty much everybody disagrees, even the Australian Human Rights Commission of all people.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-...rights-racial-discrimination-and-vilification


Also I'd say that everybody that isn't Aboriginal or Maori has been prevented from competing on an "even footing" considering that they've just been bared from participating in that level of RL based on their race or ethnicity...



Except for every player who isn't Aboriginal or Maori...

Anyway I think I've made my point, though the hypocrisy that is allowed in this nation, and the west at large, is growing increasingly unsettling to me.

The weird reaction you have had to this, and your closing sentence about hypocrisy suggest come across like some sort of fringe nutjob, which I'm sure you aren't.

It's so odd how you have reacted so badly to this positive news.

 

[siv]

A) this describes literally every sporting event that selects teams based on the country they were born in.

B) this Indigenous All Stars concept has already been going for 10 years, and i only see positive results from it.

Been going longer if you include the first team who played in the Pacific Cup 1990s

While the NZ Moari toured Oz in 1908

We even had a Pasifika team play this year as a junior rep team

 

[The Great Dane]

The queens birthday, Australia Day, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, Easter. All public holidays that are a direct result of Anglo culture.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there won't be a sign out the front of the stadium that says "no anglos allowed". I'd argue that this event is open to everyone.[/QUOTE]

Apart from the Queens Birthday not one of those holidays is a result of English culture (English does not equal Anglo), and last I checked nobody is being prevented from participating in the Queens Birthday.

BTW, we should get rid of the Queens Birthday as well, but that's a whole other thing.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there won't be a sign out the front of the stadium that says "no anglos allowed". I'd argue that this event is open to everyone.

Sure but their is a sign on the selection committees table's that says either Aboriginal only or Maori only...

 

[Canard]

Nope. Sorry. I’m based in northern England. Who the hell is GW?

Bullshit GW, show me all this extensive material online about QLD lower grades players and their ethnicity.

 

[Canard]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there won't be a sign out the front of the stadium that says "no anglos allowed". I'd argue that this event is open to everyone.

Apart from the Queens Birthday not one of those holidays is a result of English culture (English does not equal Anglo), and last I checked nobody is being prevented from participating in the Queens Birthday.

BTW, we should get rid of the Queens Birthday as well, but that's a whole other thing.



Sure but their is a sign on the selection committees table's that says either Aboriginal only or Maori only...

It also says no women or children allowed also!!!

f**k me this is a travesty!! I'm on board now, let's ditch this debacle!!!

 

[Walter sobchak]

Bullshit GW, show me all this extensive material online about QLD lower grades players and their ethnicity.

Which players are you talking about? Ponga? Holmes?

I’m sure roughyedspud will confirm I’m in fact a pommie as I used to post on the league express forum in the U.K.

 

[Canard]

Which players are you talking about? Ponga? Holmes?

I’m sure roughyedspud will confirm I’m in fact a pommie as I used to post on the league express forum in the U.K.

How do you know there is "plenty of Kumuls" playing in QLD local football?

 

[The Great Dane]

The weird reaction you have had to this, and your closing sentence about hypocrisy suggest come across like some sort of fringe nutjob, which I'm sure you aren't.

It's so odd how you have reacted so badly to this positive news.

I'm a man of principle, and principles are absolute.

Apart from in some very rare circumstances (for example technically we discriminate against pedophiles and murderers daily, but it's necessary for obvious reasons), discrimination is bad no matter who is being discriminated against.

Racism, Sexism, etc, are all two way streets and e.g. a woman that discriminates against a man is just as bad as a man that discriminates against a women, unfortunately in modern times it seems to me that has largely been forgotten or apologetics (for lack of a better term) have been used to explain that away and that is terrible thing.

 

[Walter sobchak]

How do you know there is "plenty of Kumuls" playing in QLD local football?

Because I’m a huge fan of expansion both in the U.K. leagues and Australian leagues and I follow both the warriors and sp hunters.

I also want to see another png side in the Queensland cup from Lae and a Fijian side in the NSW cup a long with another NZ franchise in the NRL. Preferably Christchurch.

 

[Canard]

I'm a man of principle, and principles are absolute.

Apart from in some very rare circumstances (for example technically we discriminate against pedophiles and murderers daily, but it's necessary for obvious reasons), discrimination is bad no matter who is being discriminated against.

Racism, Sexism, etc, are all two way streets and e.g. a woman that discriminates against a man is just as bad as a man that discriminates against a women, unfortunately in modern times it seems to me that has largely been forgotten or apologetics (for lack of a better term) have been used to explain that away and that is terrible thing.

Absolutism over common sense and logic, it appears.

Not one person is being discriminated against in this game.

 

[The Great Dane]

It also says no women or children allowed also!!!

f**k me this is a travesty!! I'm on board now, let's ditch this debacle!!!

Firstly there is going to a women's game before the men's game.

Again there's a fundamental differ... oh why bother...

 

[Canard]

Firstly there is going to a women's game before the men's game.

Again there's a fundamental differ... oh why bother...

Men's rights are important to you aren't they.

 

[The Great Dane]

Absolutism over common sense and logic, it appears.

Some things have resulted in such terrible atrocities so many times over and over throughout history that they need to be treated in absolutes...

I ask you seriously what do you think would have happened if the NRL wasn't promoting this game and was instead promoting an English heritage vs Celtic heritage or whatever match instead, honestly what do you think the response would be to that?