NRL set to introduce New Zealand Maori clash with Indigenous All Stars

[kdalymc]

Oh well I guess I’m just an uneducated idiot for thinking a game that’s pits our black people against your black people is a nonsense idea.

Do you think the Koori knockout is a bad idea also? Worldwide coloured people were not allowed to play sport for hundreds/thousands of years. Hell they weren’t even considered human in Australia til 1967. And some people voted against that...
Yes, I do think that “letting them play with us” was probably good enough,
but letting them showcase their cultures (in a country where true history is not taught) on a national / worldwide scale is awesome.

 

[umina panther]

Salts v Peppers would be a more interesting game

 

[carcharias]

Do you think the Koori knockout is a bad idea also? Worldwide coloured people were not allowed to play sport for hundreds/thousands of years. Hell they weren’t even considered human in Australia til 1967. And some people voted against that...
Yes, I do think that “letting them play with us” was probably good enough,
but letting them showcase their cultures (in a country where true history is not taught) on a national / worldwide scale is awesome.

Actually
True history is taught these days.
Schools now have these guys spend two days with students.
http://www.wandana.net.au/

They came to my sons school a couple of weeks ago.
It is a great initiative.

They hold a smoking ceremony
Cultural dancing
Teach about the meaning of “ from country” “lore” and teach the kids how to paint the meanings of their own land where they live.

Plus they teach about white invasion.
Our school has been very proactive in this before anyway.
They thank the traditional land owners at every morning role call.

Aborigines by 22

 

[Pommy]

Do you think the Koori knockout is a bad idea also? Worldwide coloured people were not allowed to play sport for hundreds/thousands of years. Hell they weren’t even considered human in Australia til 1967. And some people voted against that...
Yes, I do think that “letting them play with us” was probably good enough,
but letting them showcase their cultures (in a country where true history is not taught) on a national / worldwide scale is awesome.

No objections to the Koori knockout. I just think it’s a bit much for a national governing body (essentially that’s what the NRL is now) to have a team based along racial lines in 2018. Call me old fashioned, wait that’s not right.

 

[Valheru]

You are excluded from playing Origin if you weren't living in either state prior to the age of 13 (with the exception being if your Dad played for either state.

This is discrimination according to the rednecks in this thread.

Well discrimination is simply recognising the differences or traits of people or things and making decisions/policy based on that so yes that would be discrimination but it is discrimination that most people would find reasonable.

Separating people (players) based on nationality makes sense and SOO is just a continuation of that concept at state level albeit the other states don't play the sport to an appropriate level to have any chance at fielding a competitive side so yes, some people are left out and perhaps eligibility rules need to be looked at in that example.

The point is though that no person is (or should be) excluded from participating in any national or state side based on race, culture, heritage or whatever you want to call it. They are only discriminated against based on nationality which, in the western world especially, is independent of all those things and ability (as in any work place). As loose as the eligibility rules are in international footy, nationality is often ignored too.

These 2 teams are picked based on race/culture/heritage and excludes all other races/cultures/heritages from having their own opportunity to compete at that level in their own team.

 

[Canard]

Well discrimination is simply recognising the differences or traits of people or things and making decisions/policy based on that so yes that would be discrimination but it is discrimination that most people would find reasonable.

Separating people (players) based on nationality makes sense and SOO is just a continuation of that concept at state level albeit the other states don't play the sport to an appropriate level to have any chance at fielding a competitive side so yes, some people are left out and perhaps eligibility rules need to be looked at in that example.

The point is though that no person is (or should be) excluded from participating in any national or state side based on race, culture, heritage or whatever you want to call it. They are only discriminated against based on nationality which, in the western world especially, is independent of all those things and ability (as in any work place).

These 2 teams are picked based on race/culture/heritage and excludes all other races/cultures/heritages from having their own opportunity to compete at that level in their own team.

Who is being unreasonably discriminated against with this game being held?

What opportunities are being denied?

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Does there need to be an all stars match? The indigenous round and special jerseys for the games are an appropriate way to celebrate and recognise indigenous culture around the country. It creates an inclusive way for all players to participate in the round and be involved in this recognition. Is there not enough pre season fluff around, noting players are already asked to play 25 weeks of the year, with some having additional origin/WCC/International duties?

 

[Canard]

Does there need to be an all stars match? The indigenous round and special jerseys for the games are an appropriate way to celebrate and recognise indigenous culture around the country. It creates an inclusive way for all players to participate in the round and be involved in this recognition. Is there not enough pre season fluff around, noting players are already asked to play 25 weeks of the year, with some having additional origin/WCC/International duties?

Agreed having an exhibition match that draws a large crowd and TV revenue in the off season is madness.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Agreed having an exhibition match that draws a large crowd and TV revenue in the off season is madness.

20k is a large crowd?

It seems important in a competitive market to keep your product front of mind of consumers but there can be too much of a good thing. Before the season starts you are already risking fatigue from supporters which can dilute interest of what should be the main event, the season proper. Shorten the pre-season, give the players adequate rest and make the season itself the drawcard early in the year rather than one off exhibitions.

 

[Canard]

20k is a large crowd?

It seems important in a competitive market to keep your product front of mind of consumers but there can be too much of a good thing. Before the season starts you are already risking fatigue from supporters which can dilute interest of what should be the main event, the season proper. Shorten the pre-season, give the players adequate rest and make the season itself the drawcard early in the year rather than one off exhibitions.

Considering that it's larger then 85% of NRLs regular season games, yes.

And in what way is one pre-season exhibition match detracting from the NRL season?

If one game creates supporter fatigue, then we're f**ked anyway

 

[Valheru]

Who is being unreasonably discriminated against with this game being held?

What opportunities are being denied?

Everyone not of those 2 cultures.

The opportunity for non indigenous people of aus/nz to represent their culture via a team specifically created for said culture.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Considering that it's larger then 85% of NRLs regular season games, yes.

And in what way is one pre-season exhibition match detracting from the NRL season?

If one game creates supporter fatigue, then we're f**ked anyway

Fatigue is probably not the best word, definitely a distraction though, with this match, WCC, 9s and the like. I can only speak for what seems to work down here for the other code, where pre season matches are being reduced, and there feels like a bigger buildup and interest to round 1 and the early part of the season and the crowd numbers reflected that in the first few rounds. Maybe it's something to put mid season to supplement the origin period?

 

[Bobby DIGital]

This is a silly idea, and I'm Maori.

We had our own team at the 2000 World Cup, with our own theme song which I can't find on the internet right now. (if someone has that song hook me up).

I don't want traitors and plastic Maoris like Tamou, McLean, Ponga, Holmes and co involved in a team that represents me and my heritage. I also wouldn't want a guy like Norman involved when he doesn't want to play for the Kiwis.

Btw, why don't they list Thurston as a guy who can play for both teams? His Dad's Maori. Is that cos he's a "big star" so has to play for the Aborigine team?

 

[carcharias]

This is a silly idea, and I'm Maori.

We had our own team at the 2000 World Cup, with our own theme song which I can't find on the internet right now. (if someone has that song hook me up).

I don't want traitors and plastic Maoris like Tamou, McLean, Ponga, Holmes and co involved in a team that represents me and my heritage. I also wouldn't want a guy like Norman involved when he doesn't want to play for the Kiwis.

Btw, why don't they list Thurston as a guy who can play for both teams? His Dad's Maori. Is that cos he's a "big star" so has to play for the Aborigine team?

I can see where you’re coming from.
I’d hate blokes jumping on the aboriginal bandwagon.
Blokes that haven’t made an effort in the past .

FTR I have Native American in me from my dads side
No f**king way would claim to be anything other than Australian.
I’d feel like a complete fraud.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Lol, poor whiteys.

'It's not fair, why should we be excluded'.

Get over it.

 

[Canard]

This is a silly idea, and I'm Maori.

We had our own team at the 2000 World Cup, with our own theme song which I can't find on the internet right now. (if someone has that song hook me up).

I don't want traitors and plastic Maoris like Tamou, McLean, Ponga, Holmes and co involved in a team that represents me and my heritage. I also wouldn't want a guy like Norman involved when he doesn't want to play for the Kiwis.

Btw, why don't they list Thurston as a guy who can play for both teams? His Dad's Maori. Is that cos he's a "big star" so has to play for the Aborigine team?

r/asablackperson

 

[Canard]

Everyone not of those 2 cultures.

The opportunity for non indigenous people of aus/nz to represent their culture via a team specifically created for said culture.

Are you genuinely claiming that these people are wrongly excluded and disadvantaged?

 

[Canard]

LU is the only place on the planet that wants the All-Stars concept scrapped, State of Origin scrapped, Test matches reduced and the focus on Parra v Wests at Campbelltown.

 

[umina panther]

LU is the only place on the planet that wants the All-Stars concept scrapped, State of Origin scrapped, Test matches reduced and the focus on Parra v Wests at Campbelltown.

Most actually want the NRL season shortened and far more international and rep games played

 

[Valheru]

Are you genuinely claiming that these people are wrongly excluded and disadvantaged?

Do you believe forming sport teams based primarily on race/culture to the exclusion of all others is wrong? If yes, you have answered your own question.