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ozhawk66

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Jae said:
Is that why they let them stand around for 30 seconds everytime someone gets tackled?


One, they aren't standing around and two, they are getting for the next scrum. How long does it take to pack a scrum in league on average?

See my point in the diff between the two sports there.
 

JW

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Knob, scrums aren't packed in League after every 10 seconds of play.

Now piss off.
 

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Choppies said:
The NFL. The pinnacle of fitness.



Uh huh. Here's an idea of the level needed to play in the NFL. Hope you get a clue from all this. Might be a bit much to read.




Training like a Bronco
Posted: June 7, 2005
http://www.nospam47.com/features/fitness/tuten.html
Denver Broncos strength and conditioning coach Rich Tuten asks his players to follow this plan in preparation for training camp:

Training camp starts in mid-July. It's hot, and the days are long. To help prepare you for the two-a-day practices in the heat, we have set up the following training program. Before you can get into shape, you must get your body in shape. This means you need to build a cardiovascular and muscular base to help you recover between workouts. The workouts you will use during the first two weeks are designed to improve on these two areas.

The first week, you will be very sore and tired. It is important that you follow the Week 1 program so you will be able to increase your workload during the second week. At the end of the second week, most of your soreness should start to disappear. During the third week, you will start to make improvements. This is what we mean by getting the body in shape before you can get into shape. You must tear the body down, then build it up even stronger.

1. Cardiovascular training. This program starts 20 weeks out, working three days a week on the treadmill, bike or Stairmaster. These are low-impact machines, so they're easier on the body. On the treadmill, run at least 20 minutes at 6 to 8 mph with a 1- to 3-degree incline (never run flat on a treadmill). On the bike, ride at least 40 minutes on Level 5 to 8 at a speed of 100 to 110 rpm. On the Stairmaster, walk at least 30 minutes on Level 6 to 10. Rotate each workout through the week.

2. Muscular endurance training. This program starts 20 weeks out, working two days a week on the days opposite your cardio training. The first week you do not need to use any weight equipment. For the upper body, perform three types of push-ups and two types of pull-ups.
For the first type of push-ups, position the hands outside the chest. Start with 10 reps and 20 seconds rest, then nine reps, 18 seconds, 8 reps, 16 seconds and so on until you are down to one rep. The second type of push-up is performed with your feet resting on a stool or chair (12 to 18 inches high) so your legs are higher than your head. Perform two sets of maximum reps and rest 1 minute in between sets. The third type of push-up is performed with your hands on the stool or chair so your head is higher than your feet. Perform one set until you fail. Perform two sets of pull-ups using an overhand grip and two sets of chin-ups using an underhand grip.

For the lower body, perform two types of leg exercises. The first type is a walking lunge. Start by lunging out with the right leg, then the left, keeping the head and shoulders back and pulling the weight forward with the front leg. Perform two sets of 12 lunges on each leg for about 30 yards. The second leg exercise is a side lunge. Step to the side 2 to 3 feet and bend the leg to a squat position. Pull your body weight forward with the front leg. Do not push the weight forward with the back leg. Perform two sets of eight on each leg for about 15 yards. The second type of leg exercise is a wall squat. Standing against a wall, back flat and feet 18 to 24 inches out in front, slide down the wall to a parallel position. Keep your shoulders flat, head up, arms to the side and feet flat for 30 seconds. Perform six sets of 30-second wall squats with 1 minute rest between each.

Also included in the muscular endurance training program are the abdominals. Perform three sets of ab exercises. First, alternate elbow and knee crunches. Place your hands behind your head, lock your fingers, and bend your knees with your feet flat on the ground. Crunch up and touch the right knee with the left elbow, then the opposite knee to other elbow. Perform 25 on each knee. Second, do V sit-ups, legs straight, feet together, arms straight over head and on the ground. Lift the feet and arms up at the same time and touch the toes at the highest point. Perform two sets of 15 reps.

3. Cardiovascular/speed endurance training. This program starts 15 to 18 weeks out. After you have built a cardio and muscular base, you need to start working on your speed endurance (running fast for 20 to 90 seconds) to develop the strength in your hamstrings, quads and hips needed for sprinting. Most of this should be performed outside (on grass) if possible.

At Week 18, start out with five 300-yard runs (one lap around a football field). Run them between 1:00 to 1:10, depending on your speed level. Try to run at 75 percent of your top speed. There are 7.5 40s in a 300-yard run, so if you run the 40 in 5 seconds, use this formula: 7.5 40s x 5 seconds = 37.5 seconds; 25 percent of 37.5 seconds = 9 seconds. Add 9 seconds to 37.5 seconds to come up with your target time of 46.5 seconds. Run one 300 under 46 seconds, and rest for 90 seconds after each 300.

In Week 17, run eight 200s (goal line and back) under 36 seconds. Rest 72 seconds after each 200. If you miss a time, double the rest time.

In Week 16, run eight 100s and 12 50s. If you run the 100s under 15 seconds, run the 50s under 8 seconds. Rest 3 seconds for each second you run and 3 minutes after each set.

In Week 15, run six 100s, eight 75s and 10 50s under 16 seconds, 11 seconds and 8 seconds. Continue to rest 3 seconds for each second you run and 3 minutes after each set.

4. Muscular strength/endurance training. You now have four weeks before we start the offseason program. You need to start training with weights. You should start using free-weight plate-loaded machines or machines that use free weights. The goal is to overload your muscles to help stimulate growth and strength development. During these four weeks, start with reps in the 10 to 12 range and work your way down to sets of five at the end of the five weeks. Note: Exercises 1 to 4 are designed to get you ready for Weeks 1 to 14 of the offseason training program, which is designed to get you ready for training camp, which is designed to get you ready for a 20-game season in the NFL.

5. The start of the offseason program. You will lift and run 2 hours a day, four days a week for 14 weeks. Plan to lift for the upper body on Mondays and Thursdays and for the lower body on Tuesdays and Fridays.

During this phase, you will start working on position-related drills to help develop your skills. Quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs and tight ends will run routes and catch balls. Linebackers and defensive backs will cover these routes and also perform position-related drills (backpedaling and quick changes of direction). Offensive and defensive linemen will drive sleds and work on quick takeoffs, one-on-one pass blocking and one-on-one pass rushing.

The first two weeks (Weeks 14 and 13) of the offseason program should include running cone drills (position related), bag and ladder drills (foot quickness) and interval sprints on Mondays and Thursdays. On Tuesdays and Fridays, you need to work with the high hurdles for the hamstrings and hips, plyometric boxes for explosiveness and shuttle runs for change-of-direction and conditioning of the lungs and legs. The interval sprints on Monday and Thursdays consist of four 100s, four 80s, four 60s and four 40s. The shuttles on Tuesday and Fridays consist of three 300-yard shuttles (1x25 and back six times, 1x50-40-30-20-10 and back one time and 1x50 and back three times) in less than 1 minute with 2 minutes rest.

6. Funtional running drills. From Weeks 12 to 9, you need to prepare your sprinting muscles for the next eight weeks. Do butt kicks, high knee lifts, walking front kicks, walking side kicks, starts, accelerations, front and side lunges and one-leg hops for explosiveness.

7. Resistance and overspeed training. From Week 10 through the rest of the offseason, start resistance running with a bullet belt or weighted sled. That will help you develop the power you need to run through or over people. The over-speed running with rocket rope or rubber tubing will help you run past people.

8. Building a solid base of conditioning. From Weeks 8 to 5, work on short runs in the first part of the week. On Mondays, run four 100s, six 75s, eight 50s and 10 20s. On Tuesdays, run shuttles: two 100s (5-10-15-20 and back), four 60s (20-10 and back) and six 20s (5-10-5 and back). On Thursdays, run two 200s, four 150s and six 100s. On Fridays, run more shuttles: two 300s (50 and back times), two 200s (25 and back four times), two 150s (50-25 and back) and two 100s (25 and back two times).

9. Position skills. From Weeks 4 to 1, work at your highest level of speed and quickness that will prepare you for practice and at the same time help you increase your recovery time between plays. Get used to going to bed early, waking up early, eating a good breakfast, working out early, eating lunch, taking a lap and being active in the afternoon (swimming, golf or riding a bike) instead of watching TV.

10. Mental agility. The last but maybe the most important part of being ready for training camp involves getting in the right state of mind. Be ready for failure. Don't accept it, but forget it and be ready for the next play. God-given talent is something you cannot control, but never lose a starting position or game because of conditioning. Conditioning is something you can control, it just takes effort.



or......



http://www.parisischool.com/NFL_Combine.html


http://strengthnspeed.tripod.com/SportsSpecific/NFLcombine.htm
 
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ozhawk66 said:
I finally pointed out that you ignored two whole posts. Nothing in response from those two posts. Then you come back with the childlike game of no, your ignoring my posts and so that's your reasoning for not answering mine. Nah, nah, you did it first sort of attitude.

Firstly, some of the grammar used in your posts makes it difficult to do much more than just put sh*t on you.

Secondly, don't whine like a bitch, every point made to you is ignored, you just change tack. Seen it all before by the way and you do it badly...

ozhawk66 said:
You won't answer anything from those two posts cause you too damn scared and you can't answer them. This is why you won't. But here's your chance to prove me wrong. You say I'm full of it, so it should be that much easier for you do prove it so. But you won't.

lol

Scared?

What happens if I do answer them, does my arsehole explode?

Face it turdbreath, there is no argument because you have no argument. NRL players have more stamina than NFL players. I reckon even NFL players would admit that if they watched an NRL match.

If you want me to answer you, you must answer the points I've raised first, as they are and without changing the focus. My argument has been from the first post that NRL players have more stamina than NFL players and you've done nothing to disprove that. Remember whose thread this is...

ozhawk66 said:
And for your parsing of time alloted to players in each sport of actually playing, would hold up if you'd realize the obvious; one sport has constant one-on-one contact while the other does not. Football is about beating the man across from you on EVERY play. League just isn't played like this.

See, again with the bullsh*t.

I posted facts.

Both are contact sports but only one uses padding and only one uses helmets, NFL.

NFL players play approximately 30 minutes in 210 actual minutes.

Rugby League players play 60 - 80 minutes in 90 actual minutes.

Rugby League players have more stamina.

Simple.

Easy.

Even a cretin can understand, which is why you don't.

Aim up dopey, you thought you'd ponce in here and start an argument that you figured you couldn't lose.

And you lost. Takes real talent to do that.....
 

ozhawk66

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JW said:
Knob, scrums aren't packed in League after every 10 seconds of play.Now piss off.



No sh*t! Gee, how long did it finally take for you to understand that basic point?


You've just had a major revelation bewteen the two sports.
 

ozhawk66

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
lol

Scared?

What happens if I do answer them, does my arsehole explode?


You won't do it. Cause you can't. It's as simple as that. There is no room or time to debate with you, so I'll just play the flame game with you. Just like an 18 year old kid.



Aim up dopey, you thought you'd ponce in here and start an argument that you figured you couldn't lose.

And you lost. Takes real talent to do that.....



Takes talent to answer when confronted. Something you have not done.
 

JW

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Knob, you're the one making the comparisons with the time taken between breaks in play. Jae shot you down and now you've got nothing (not that you had anything to start with, lol).

Now, like I said, piss off.
 

ozhawk66

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JW said:
Knob, you're the one making the comparisons with the time taken between breaks in play. Jae shot you down and now you've got nothing (not that you had anything to start with, lol).

Now, like I said, piss off.



Join the real world. It's a better place for us normal people.
 

JW

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Ozdork, tell me, why are these NFL players so f*cking fat?

3321594
 

ozhawk66

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Everlovin' Antichrist said:
Pot -----> kettle -------> black.

Whine, whine, whinge, whinge, bitch, bitch, moan, moan..



Nothing whining about that. The funny thing is that you keep trying to lean on the fitness level of NRL players over and over and......likes it's the only thing you have in this debate, which isn't the case.


You've done nothing but bitch, moan and flame like the loser in a debate. Your easy.

Now try dealing with that training regiment post concerning the NFL, if you can. With logic. Not whining and flaming like your used too.
 

ozhawk66

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JW said:
Ozdork, tell me, why are these NFL players so f*cking fat?


If you knew the game I wouldn't have to tell you. And that #72 is Wayne Gandy and he's not that fat. He also runs a 5 second 40 yard dash at that size.
 

Choppies

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ozhawk66 said:
Uh huh. Here's an idea of the level needed to play in the NFL. Hope you get a clue from all this. Might be a bit much to read.




Training like a Bronco
Posted: June 7, 2005
http://www.nospam47.com/features/fitness/tuten.html
Denver Broncos strength and conditioning coach Rich Tuten asks his players to follow this plan in preparation for training camp:

Training camp starts in mid-July. It's hot, and the days are long. To help prepare you for the two-a-day practices in the heat, we have set up the following training program. Before you can get into shape, you must get your body in shape. This means you need to build a cardiovascular and muscular base to help you recover between workouts. The workouts you will use during the first two weeks are designed to improve on these two areas.

The first week, you will be very sore and tired. It is important that you follow the Week 1 program so you will be able to increase your workload during the second week. At the end of the second week, most of your soreness should start to disappear. During the third week, you will start to make improvements. This is what we mean by getting the body in shape before you can get into shape. You must tear the body down, then build it up even stronger.

1. Cardiovascular training. This program starts 20 weeks out, working three days a week on the treadmill, bike or Stairmaster. These are low-impact machines, so they're easier on the body. On the treadmill, run at least 20 minutes at 6 to 8 mph with a 1- to 3-degree incline (never run flat on a treadmill). On the bike, ride at least 40 minutes on Level 5 to 8 at a speed of 100 to 110 rpm. On the Stairmaster, walk at least 30 minutes on Level 6 to 10. Rotate each workout through the week.

2. Muscular endurance training. This program starts 20 weeks out, working two days a week on the days opposite your cardio training. The first week you do not need to use any weight equipment. For the upper body, perform three types of push-ups and two types of pull-ups.
For the first type of push-ups, position the hands outside the chest. Start with 10 reps and 20 seconds rest, then nine reps, 18 seconds, 8 reps, 16 seconds and so on until you are down to one rep. The second type of push-up is performed with your feet resting on a stool or chair (12 to 18 inches high) so your legs are higher than your head. Perform two sets of maximum reps and rest 1 minute in between sets. The third type of push-up is performed with your hands on the stool or chair so your head is higher than your feet. Perform one set until you fail. Perform two sets of pull-ups using an overhand grip and two sets of chin-ups using an underhand grip.

For the lower body, perform two types of leg exercises. The first type is a walking lunge. Start by lunging out with the right leg, then the left, keeping the head and shoulders back and pulling the weight forward with the front leg. Perform two sets of 12 lunges on each leg for about 30 yards. The second leg exercise is a side lunge. Step to the side 2 to 3 feet and bend the leg to a squat position. Pull your body weight forward with the front leg. Do not push the weight forward with the back leg. Perform two sets of eight on each leg for about 15 yards. The second type of leg exercise is a wall squat. Standing against a wall, back flat and feet 18 to 24 inches out in front, slide down the wall to a parallel position. Keep your shoulders flat, head up, arms to the side and feet flat for 30 seconds. Perform six sets of 30-second wall squats with 1 minute rest between each.

Also included in the muscular endurance training program are the abdominals. Perform three sets of ab exercises. First, alternate elbow and knee crunches. Place your hands behind your head, lock your fingers, and bend your knees with your feet flat on the ground. Crunch up and touch the right knee with the left elbow, then the opposite knee to other elbow. Perform 25 on each knee. Second, do V sit-ups, legs straight, feet together, arms straight over head and on the ground. Lift the feet and arms up at the same time and touch the toes at the highest point. Perform two sets of 15 reps.

3. Cardiovascular/speed endurance training. This program starts 15 to 18 weeks out. After you have built a cardio and muscular base, you need to start working on your speed endurance (running fast for 20 to 90 seconds) to develop the strength in your hamstrings, quads and hips needed for sprinting. Most of this should be performed outside (on grass) if possible.

At Week 18, start out with five 300-yard runs (one lap around a football field). Run them between 1:00 to 1:10, depending on your speed level. Try to run at 75 percent of your top speed. There are 7.5 40s in a 300-yard run, so if you run the 40 in 5 seconds, use this formula: 7.5 40s x 5 seconds = 37.5 seconds; 25 percent of 37.5 seconds = 9 seconds. Add 9 seconds to 37.5 seconds to come up with your target time of 46.5 seconds. Run one 300 under 46 seconds, and rest for 90 seconds after each 300.

In Week 17, run eight 200s (goal line and back) under 36 seconds. Rest 72 seconds after each 200. If you miss a time, double the rest time.

In Week 16, run eight 100s and 12 50s. If you run the 100s under 15 seconds, run the 50s under 8 seconds. Rest 3 seconds for each second you run and 3 minutes after each set.

In Week 15, run six 100s, eight 75s and 10 50s under 16 seconds, 11 seconds and 8 seconds. Continue to rest 3 seconds for each second you run and 3 minutes after each set.

4. Muscular strength/endurance training. You now have four weeks before we start the offseason program. You need to start training with weights. You should start using free-weight plate-loaded machines or machines that use free weights. The goal is to overload your muscles to help stimulate growth and strength development. During these four weeks, start with reps in the 10 to 12 range and work your way down to sets of five at the end of the five weeks. Note: Exercises 1 to 4 are designed to get you ready for Weeks 1 to 14 of the offseason training program, which is designed to get you ready for training camp, which is designed to get you ready for a 20-game season in the NFL.

5. The start of the offseason program. You will lift and run 2 hours a day, four days a week for 14 weeks. Plan to lift for the upper body on Mondays and Thursdays and for the lower body on Tuesdays and Fridays.

During this phase, you will start working on position-related drills to help develop your skills. Quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs and tight ends will run routes and catch balls. Linebackers and defensive backs will cover these routes and also perform position-related drills (backpedaling and quick changes of direction). Offensive and defensive linemen will drive sleds and work on quick takeoffs, one-on-one pass blocking and one-on-one pass rushing.

The first two weeks (Weeks 14 and 13) of the offseason program should include running cone drills (position related), bag and ladder drills (foot quickness) and interval sprints on Mondays and Thursdays. On Tuesdays and Fridays, you need to work with the high hurdles for the hamstrings and hips, plyometric boxes for explosiveness and shuttle runs for change-of-direction and conditioning of the lungs and legs. The interval sprints on Monday and Thursdays consist of four 100s, four 80s, four 60s and four 40s. The shuttles on Tuesday and Fridays consist of three 300-yard shuttles (1x25 and back six times, 1x50-40-30-20-10 and back one time and 1x50 and back three times) in less than 1 minute with 2 minutes rest.

6. Funtional running drills. From Weeks 12 to 9, you need to prepare your sprinting muscles for the next eight weeks. Do butt kicks, high knee lifts, walking front kicks, walking side kicks, starts, accelerations, front and side lunges and one-leg hops for explosiveness.

7. Resistance and overspeed training. From Week 10 through the rest of the offseason, start resistance running with a bullet belt or weighted sled. That will help you develop the power you need to run through or over people. The over-speed running with rocket rope or rubber tubing will help you run past people.

8. Building a solid base of conditioning. From Weeks 8 to 5, work on short runs in the first part of the week. On Mondays, run four 100s, six 75s, eight 50s and 10 20s. On Tuesdays, run shuttles: two 100s (5-10-15-20 and back), four 60s (20-10 and back) and six 20s (5-10-5 and back). On Thursdays, run two 200s, four 150s and six 100s. On Fridays, run more shuttles: two 300s (50 and back times), two 200s (25 and back four times), two 150s (50-25 and back) and two 100s (25 and back two times).

9. Position skills. From Weeks 4 to 1, work at your highest level of speed and quickness that will prepare you for practice and at the same time help you increase your recovery time between plays. Get used to going to bed early, waking up early, eating a good breakfast, working out early, eating lunch, taking a lap and being active in the afternoon (swimming, golf or riding a bike) instead of watching TV.

10. Mental agility. The last but maybe the most important part of being ready for training camp involves getting in the right state of mind. Be ready for failure. Don't accept it, but forget it and be ready for the next play. God-given talent is something you cannot control, but never lose a starting position or game because of conditioning. Conditioning is something you can control, it just takes effort.



or......



http://www.parisischool.com/NFL_Combine.html


http://strengthnspeed.tripod.com/SportsSpecific/NFLcombine.htm

and after all of this their still fat :lol:
 
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ozhawk66 said:
Nothing whining about that.

Oh, I beg to differ....

You've earned the flaming, we didn't earn the whining...

No one could earn that much whining...

ozhawk66 said:
The funny thing is that you keep trying to lean on the fitness level of NRL players over and over and......likes it's the only thing you have in this debate, which isn't the case.

It's the only thing I've argued about. Your debates with other people aren't my concern.

But I've noticed that you're losing them too....

ozhawk66 said:
You've done nothing but bitch, moan and flame like the loser in a debate. Your easy.

Actually, that's where you lose any argument. You're stupid. The correct sentence isn't "your easy"....

And believe me, you're on the wrong end of everything in this thread.

ozhawk66 said:
Now try dealing with that training regiment post concerning the NFL, if you can. With logic. Not whining and flaming like your used too.

What regiment?

your used to?

What the f**k are you on about?

Regimental Football players.... LOL

But, based on what you were trying to say...

Irrelevant to the game itself. If they had to prepare for an NRL game they wouldn't do the same training.

It's all gone over your head. You truly are stupid.

The facts remain, as stated numerous times that NFL players play 30 minutes in 210 and NRL players play 60 - 80 minutes in 90.

Greater stamina, NRL be thy name.
 

JW

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Matt Dunning would be a massive coup for the NFL. He's a fine athletic specimen and i'm certain he'd meet Ozdork's strict fitness standards. The added bonus is that he currently plays Union, where doing nothing is encouraged. He also has a gut.

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What do you reckon Ozdork? Don't cream yourself mate, I know talents like this are hard to find...
 
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