nrl vs superleague

[t-ba]

Its a fair point, however I find it a bit annoying that you selectively mention that GB finished on top of the round robin table, and not mention at all that GB were smashed in the final.

right let me get a point across, aussies won the final because of one man lockyer FACT, had our keiron cunningham been fit and on form it would of been a closer game FACT, and dont forget our captain fantastic paul sculthorpe wasent fit and shouldent of played

But we were missing our vast horde of SL players :roll: .

We went through the entire bloody thing without Andrew Johns...

yes jamie lyon, he would of made it into the aussie team the lad is now officially a st helens legend

A St Helens legend (yet to play a reg. season fixture) waiting to Play at Manly in 2007. Hell...

Here's you legend, already signed up with St Helens, Displaying his future (Current) allegiance at a Manly Match!

 

[Ari Gold]

aussies would have still have won if it werent for lockyer......but i dont agree on the aussis judging ENG on just ONE DAMN game.....

 

[t-ba]

I completely agree with you on this point. you can't after getting beat in a final come up with excuses of injuries or inadiquate preporation. The team knows what is at stake a long time before the match and should be ready for the title of the best in the world to go to the winner. Same goes for the WCC though, so I guess that makes Leeds the best in the world.

Leeds, but not the Entire Super League ;-)

 

[t-ba]

aussies would have still have won if it werent for lockyer......but i dont agree on the aussis judging ENG on just ONE DAMN game.....

Then perhaps the English Should stop judging the Australian Game on just one damn game!

 

[JW]

aussies would have still have won if it werent for lockyer......but i dont agree on the aussis judging ENG on just ONE DAMN game.....

In the interests of fair play then...

And you need look not further than recent times to see exactly how "good" the British game is going...

1st Tri-Nations, 1999 - Smashed.
Rugby League World Cup, 2000 - Smashed.
Ashes Series, 2001 - Went down with just 1 win.
Ashes Series, 2003 - Beaten 3-0 by a very under-strength Kangaroos squad.
2nd Tri-Nations, 2004 - Smashed 44-4 in the Final infront of their home crowd.

And along the way they set a records for consecutive amount of home losses to Australia (7), and biggest losing margin to Australia on home soil (40). Not to mention, on one of the very rare occassions that the have visited Australia, were smashed 64-10 at Aussie Stadium.

;-)

Cheers.

 

[Charge]

You are missing an important factor here. Almost none of that Australian first team would be replaced by NZ or other players form the NRL if it were possible. Thus the Aus team represents the very best of the NRL.

However, in England there are a few positions that would go to non British players if it were possible. Lesley Vinakolo would be on one of the wings for a start and Jamie Lyon would probably make this years center position. Thus the British team does not represent the very best of the ESL.

Despite the fact that it was not the best of the ESL in the Tri-Nations, Britian came top of the 2004 Tri-Nations round robin table.

All you are doing in strengthing a point I made earlier.

Imports are among the best players in the ESL, with Vainakolo and Lyon as you mentioned. This is stopping young English talent from making it into first grade and thus creating a stronger English game.

You even said yourself that such a thing wouldn't happen in Australia.

The sooner the Poms make more of an effort to grow their own, the better form them and the ESL.

Cheers.

I would prefer it if we did produce more players in the future, but that does not change the strength of the ESL in any way, only the British team which represents Britian and British players, not the the ESL comp. The ESL is strengthened with players like Lyon and Vainakolo, not weakened and that is why you cannot judge the strength of the ESL by watching Britian. You would have to watch an ESL team which currently does not exist.

Anyway, its been a good discussion, but I have to go to bed, its nearly 3.30 over here.

 

[lyon is a saint]

Its a fair point, however I find it a bit annoying that you selectively mention that GB finished on top of the round robin table, and not mention at all that GB were smashed in the final.

right let me get a point across, aussies won the final because of one man lockyer FACT, had our keiron cunningham been fit and on form it would of been a closer game FACT, and dont forget our captain fantastic paul sculthorpe wasent fit and shouldent of played

But we were missing our vast horde of SL players :roll: .

We went through the entire bloody thing without Andrew Johns...

yes jamie lyon, he would of made it into the aussie team the lad is now officially a st helens legend

A St Helens legend (yet to play a reg. season fixture) waiting to Play at Manly in 2007. Hell...

Here's you legend, already signed up with St Helens, Displaying his future (Current) allegiance at a Manly Match!

the lads head was fooked then, but he is now loving it here

 

[t-ba]

the lads head was fooked then, but he is now loving it here

Sure it still isn't it?

Jamie is a lost sheep without his beloved mentor.

 

[Greenblooded]

Its a fair point, however I find it a bit annoying that you selectively mention that GB finished on top of the round robin table, and not mention at all that GB were smashed in the final.

Ah, but how many Australians sellectively mention that GB got smashed, but fail to admit that they came top of the table? All of them - I'm just readressing the ballance ;-)

:lol: :lol: I'll tell you why, because finishing top of the table means bugger all when there is a final. Who remembers all of the minor premiers in th NRL??

 

[lyon is a saint]

the lads head was fooked then, but he is now loving it here

Sure it still isn't it?

Jamie is a lost sheep without his beloved mentor.

well i could agree there, he was out round our night clubs the other night with the rest of the lads dressed up has elmer fud, honestly though he is loving it here in training hes always got a smile on his face, which is good to c

 

[ByRd]

This thread is a joke isnt it????? Superleague better then the NRL :lol: :lol: :lol: :arrow: . You are basing your judgment on the WCC when the dogs flew over a week before with little to no preperation & a side missing 7 players through injury. Ill give credit to Leeds fow winning but we handed them a couple of tries & we still almost got the win. Had we been at full strength i know we would have won & won comfortably, bring the match downunder & see what will happen. Also for you saying that the Saints will smash the dogs you seriously have mental problems if you think this. Both teams at full strength with even preperation, we will come out on top. The NRL is alot faster & tougher then the ESL & i dont think that one ESL could make the top 8. This is the best 8 in the NRL:

1) Bulldogs
2) Roosters
3) Panthers
4) Broncos
5) Dragons
6) Cowboys
7) Knights
8) Storm

plus sides such as the warriors & eels the best in the ESL would struggle in the best league in the world, the NRL. The ESL is a retirment home for NRL rejects or players who want the money.

 

[Special K]

If Lyon finishes the season in ESL I'll be shocked. No way he'll last over a year there. If he can't handle Parra how the hell could he handle boring old england? Don't believe a word he says, he will be back in the NRL first chance he gets.

ESL doesn't compare to the NRL. Look at how many reserve graders go over there and do well(Hooper for your club).

 

[Greenblooded]

ESL doesn't compare to the NRL. Look at how many reserve graders go over there and do well

Agreed

 

[CanadianSteve]

There were too very different takes on this issue.

Here's what Ricky Stuart had to say in the Daily Telegraph:

Another recent loser in the WCC, Penrith coach John Lang, proposed a Super Bowl-type scenario as a solution.

"While it's set up this way, I'm not sure it's ever going to have much credibility until you can turn it into a proper international fixture," Lang said.

"I think it would be tremendous to see both seasons finish on the same weekend and then have a Super Bowl-type game a fortnight after.

"I know that will take a bit of jigging with the draws here and there, but I think it can be done."

The Sunday Telegraph

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,12159628-23214,00.html

That Super Bowl idea is what needs to happen to settle this argument. It seems pointless to me that the 2 champs meet months after their GF's, and all the players aren't ready to play. The RLIF and the 2 comps should get together and harmonize their seasons so there could be a true WCC.

 

[strong_latte]

well what about when the saints played brisbane, brisbane trained well and had a full team out and we still cained there arse

please somebody admit that your teams are simply not good enough

What about when the roosters trained and prepared in 2003 and we humiliated you in front of your home croud 38-0 mate?? remember that one??? I certianly do :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[strong_latte]

aussies would have still have won if it werent for lockyer......but i dont agree on the aussis judging ENG on just ONE DAMN game.....

Mate, they haven't won a series against us in DECADES! it's not just one game thats doing the talking...

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

This is why I wanted the Dogs to win. Bloody Poms thinking that their League is superior to ours based on one game heavily weighted in favour of the home side.

Let's put it in perspective.

They won by 7 on home soil against a side that had numerous Test players out and hadn't played one match in preparation. Leeds played 4 according to the commentators.

If the Dogs had played two matches in preparation, they would have won comfortably.

The only solution is for the teams to play during a bye week early in the season so preparation isn't an issue.

I doubt that any ESL team could make top 6 in the NRL. And I have little doubt that any NRL side would make top 6 in the ESL.

 

[chemicalbrother]

I love to go to a ESL match. There crowd are 100 times patriorical over any derby in the NRL.

If you said ESL or the English Rugby league first division in 1980's i would of said yes but the simple fact is that Super league is killing Rugby league espically in the years between 1993 to 1999 there was little Youth Talent coming thru.

 

[loiner81]

[Your national team is crap because your League has poor depth in comparison to the NRL and your top players aren't exposed to tough matches virtually every week.

:arrow:

Cheers.

our national team lost only one game in the tri nations. granted we got hammered but we did beat you lot a fortnight earlier. we had an off day in the final :arrow: ;-)

our national team was also very poorly chosen by a clueless coach influenced by the media and his bulls chairman.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

And that's been the problem for 30 years has it loiner?

:lol: