nrl vs superleague

[Charge]

Anyway you look at it though, the NRL supports 16 teams with a high amount of decent through the top 8 and a decent amount of deapth through the rest of the comp... the ESL struggles to maintain 12 teams with any sort of deapth and resort to importing has-beens from Aus and NZ... Also want to talk about skill and deapth? Well have you ever compared Australia's State of Origin between Qld and NSW to Englands version between Lankshire and Yorkshire? would you want to have the British SOO champs play the Australian SOO champs? I didn't think so.

But then you are getting confused between Britian (just British players) and the ESL, which includes great players from around the world such as Jamie Lyon and Lesley Vinakolo. The SOO does show the best players in the NRL whereas Lancs vs Yorks doesn't, it all makes sense when you get your head around that.

If we had a NRL vs ESL match the NRL team would basically be Australia, but the ESL team would not be Great Britian (who, despite not showing the best of the ESL came top of the Tri-Nations table).

 

[strong_latte]

It doesn't matter how you get there, in 10 years people will only remember that it was a victory for Leeds.

In 10 years nobody will care just like today! The format of the thing has to be changed! I say make it a 3 match series like the SOO and alternate countries each year! If they don't change it, well coaches like Folk's will keep saying the match is of little importance in the scheme of the season.

 

[strong_latte]

Anyway you look at it though, the NRL supports 16 teams with a high amount of decent through the top 8 and a decent amount of deapth through the rest of the comp... the ESL struggles to maintain 12 teams with any sort of deapth and resort to importing has-beens from Aus and NZ... Also want to talk about skill and deapth? Well have you ever compared Australia's State of Origin between Qld and NSW to Englands version between Lankshire and Yorkshire? would you want to have the British SOO champs play the Australian SOO champs? I didn't think so.

But then you are getting confused between Britian (just British players) and the ESL, which includes great players from around the world such as Jamie Lyon and Lesley Vinakolo. The SOO does show the best players in the NRL whereas Lancs vs Yorks doesn't, it all makes sense when you get your head around that.

If we had a NRL vs ESL match the NRL team would basically be Australia, but the ESL team would not be Great Britian (who, despite not showing the best of the ESL came top of the Tri-Nations table).

Technically the SOO doesn't show the very best of the NRL though, top players like Vangana, SB Williams aren't elligable... It's just that the Australian born players tend to be at the top of the crop anyway.

 

[Charge]

It doesn't matter how you get there, in 10 years people will only remember that it was a victory for Leeds.

In 10 years nobody will care just like today! The format of the thing has to be changed! I say make it a 3 match series like the SOO and alternate countries each year! If they don't change it, well coaches like Folk's will keep saying the match is of little importance in the scheme of the season.

But people do care, as 37K fans showed on Friday night. In Aus they don't because of a lack of promotion and fear of devaluing the biggest money maker in the Aus game, the NRL.

If the comp is changed to a format that will make more Australians take notice then previous victories would get more recognition, even though it was a slightly different format. Thus even people in Aus would find out that Leeds were the best in the world in 2004. Like I said before, it is now in the history books and people always read them.

 

[Charge]

Anyway you look at it though, the NRL supports 16 teams with a high amount of decent through the top 8 and a decent amount of deapth through the rest of the comp... the ESL struggles to maintain 12 teams with any sort of deapth and resort to importing has-beens from Aus and NZ... Also want to talk about skill and deapth? Well have you ever compared Australia's State of Origin between Qld and NSW to Englands version between Lankshire and Yorkshire? would you want to have the British SOO champs play the Australian SOO champs? I didn't think so.

But then you are getting confused between Britian (just British players) and the ESL, which includes great players from around the world such as Jamie Lyon and Lesley Vinakolo. The SOO does show the best players in the NRL whereas Lancs vs Yorks doesn't, it all makes sense when you get your head around that.

If we had a NRL vs ESL match the NRL team would basically be Australia, but the ESL team would not be Great Britian (who, despite not showing the best of the ESL came top of the Tri-Nations table).

Technically the SOO doesn't show the very best of the NRL though, top players like Vangana, SB Williams aren't elligable... It's just that the Australian born players tend to be at the top of the crop anyway.

Vangana wouldn't push anyone out of the Aus team, SBW may make the subs bench.

 

[strong_latte]

It doesn't matter how you get there, in 10 years people will only remember that it was a victory for Leeds.

In 10 years nobody will care just like today! The format of the thing has to be changed! I say make it a 3 match series like the SOO and alternate countries each year! If they don't change it, well coaches like Folk's will keep saying the match is of little importance in the scheme of the season.

But people do care, as 37K fans showed on Friday night. In Aus they don't because of a lack of promotion and fear of devaluing the biggest money maker in the Aus game, the NRL.

If the comp is changed to a format that will make more Australians take notice then previous victories would get more recognition, even though it was a slightly different format. Thus even people in Aus would find out that Leeds were the best in the world in 2004. Like I said before, it is now in the history books and people always read them.

Thats what I meant though, UNLESS it's changed people will only ever be indifferent about the WCC over here.
Also, you say there is no interest generated over here because of fear of devaluing the NRL. I can tell you now thats utter crap, because when easts flogged st helens in 2003 it barely made the papers, let alone the evening news.

 

[Charge]

It doesn't matter how you get there, in 10 years people will only remember that it was a victory for Leeds.

In 10 years nobody will care just like today! The format of the thing has to be changed! I say make it a 3 match series like the SOO and alternate countries each year! If they don't change it, well coaches like Folk's will keep saying the match is of little importance in the scheme of the season.

But people do care, as 37K fans showed on Friday night. In Aus they don't because of a lack of promotion and fear of devaluing the biggest money maker in the Aus game, the NRL.

If the comp is changed to a format that will make more Australians take notice then previous victories would get more recognition, even though it was a slightly different format. Thus even people in Aus would find out that Leeds were the best in the world in 2004. Like I said before, it is now in the history books and people always read them.

Thats what I meant though, UNLESS it's changed people will only ever be indifferent about the WCC over here.
Also, you say there is no interest generated over here because of fear of devaluing the NRL. I can tell you now thats utter crap, because when easts flogged st helens in 2003 it barely made the papers, let alone the evening news.

Yes, but before the match was played the Australian admin would not have given any press releases out or done any promotion for the match in case Easts lost. After the match it was too late, you have to get the press interestd before the match and it would be possible to improve the profile of this match in Aus without changing the format. I'm not saying make it massive, but a noticeable improvement would definately be possible.

 

[lyon is a saint]

no, lets be honest now and stop the bullshiting nrl is much srtronger than superleague in terms of quality teams, but what i am saying is that teams like saints, leeds, bradford, wigan, hull and even warrington would all give top nrl teams a game and my mind if my team st helens where to play in the nrl then i believe wed finish in the top 3 or 6 FACT

 

[loiner81]

Whats that got to do with it? They're playing in completely different competitions. If anything you've just shown how our competitions depth is much greater than yours.

my stats proved a point.

do you honestly believe any of your teams would go a full season here with only 2 losses? don't belittle our championship, leeds were fcking outstanding last season and deserve everything they've won.

yeah saints got stuffed 38-0, they also ended up having a below average early season. they may have been uk champs 3 months earlier but were way off the mark by the wcc. the wigan game downunder is just as relevant and it was on your soil.

we're all biased towards our own countries but you guys are so far up your own superior arses it's hilarious. you lost, get over it. if you don't like losing then send us a better club team to play and who knows you may get closer...

learn a bit of humility it'll do you good.

 

[loiner81]

When will you stop vomiting all this bullsh*t in our direction? The last time Both countries took it seriously... and let me put this in bold so you don't ignore it this time: THE ROOSTERS HUMILIATED ST HELENS WITH A 38-0 THRASHING ON YOUR SOIL!!! Get it? Thats what happens when WE prepare!

IS IT?? WOW!!! :roll:


i'll quit when you lot do. while you're sprouting media fed bullshit i'll keep defending us with the truth.

leeds barely prepared for friday and only played for 55/60 minutes yet still walked all over your oh so gracious and sporting champions. i'd heard the bulldogs were a bit "bent" but christ, if that's how you have to play to win the aussie league...

don't believe you're own hype, you'll come unstuck in a bad way one day.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Mate, you've got problems.

How about you take your head out of your arse and give us a call when your national side wins a series against our national side. Or at the very least wait until one of your club sides wins a game where it has to travel 12,000 miles and play a one-off match with no preparation.

Wait, your national team did that a couple of years ago and got 60 put past it.

It's called perspective.

I mean, you're bragging about a one-off game for which one team travelled 12,000 miles, had no preparation and was minus 6 or 7 of it's best players. Yet they still got within 7 of the opposition.

Your national side, made up of players who cut their teeth in the ESL and it's predecessor, hasn't done anything but make empty promises for 30 years.

You've got nothing to brag about. Come back when you do.

 

[drake]

Yeah Super league is so good we're paying ridiculous prices for your has-beens and never-willbes.
:roll:

 

[loiner81]

Mate, you've got problems.

How about you take your head out of your arse and give us a call when your national side wins a series against our national side. Or at the very least wait until one of your club sides wins a game where it has to travel 12,000 miles and play a one-off match with no preparation.

Wait, your national team did that a couple of years ago and got 60 put past it.

It's called perspective.

I mean, you're bragging about a one-off game for which one team travelled 12,000 miles, had no preparation and was minus 6 or 7 of it's best players. Yet they still got within 7 of the opposition.

Your national side, made up of players who cut their teeth in the ESL and it's predecessor, hasn't done anything but make empty promises for 30 years.

You've got nothing to brag about. Come back when you do.

i already said our national team aint right. it won't be while noble is in charge. he's another in a long line of yes-men.

clubwise is a different matter. how many of your clubs have travelled 12000 miles with no preparation and won?? sorry but don't talk rubbish.
we've only sent wigan down there for a wcc and they won.

you got to within 7 on friday cos leeds took their foot off and started experimenting with players. marcus bai was not 100% after "that" tackle :shock: which is where most of bulldogs points came from.

please remember, leeds weren't exactly firing on all cylinders either.

 

[lyon is a saint]

Yeah Super league is so good we're paying ridiculous prices for your has-beens and never-willbes.
:roll:

atleast we have the best fans, who get behind there team with passion and desire, u should come over here if u havent already to experiance the atmosphere........ i heard u lot dont even sing at matches

 

[loiner81]

Yeah Super league is so good we're paying ridiculous prices for your has-beens and never-willbes.
:roll:

and your point there is?

leeds are now not far off having a 100% local bred team.
ali will stay for a while. poching & bai are a season from finishing. dunneman is covering only till leeds born matt diskin is recovered from surgery. we'll then have an all bar one british born team.

we're the uk and world champions.
there's a sobering thought for you.
(just wish the rest of super league would follow suit cos we don't really need any imports).

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Mate, you've got problems.

How about you take your head out of your arse and give us a call when your national side wins a series against our national side. Or at the very least wait until one of your club sides wins a game where it has to travel 12,000 miles and play a one-off match with no preparation.

Wait, your national team did that a couple of years ago and got 60 put past it.

It's called perspective.

I mean, you're bragging about a one-off game for which one team travelled 12,000 miles, had no preparation and was minus 6 or 7 of it's best players. Yet they still got within 7 of the opposition.

Your national side, made up of players who cut their teeth in the ESL and it's predecessor, hasn't done anything but make empty promises for 30 years.

You've got nothing to brag about. Come back when you do.

i already said our national team aint right. it won't be while noble is in charge. he's another in a long line of yes-men.

30 years of yes men?

clubwise is a different matter.

No it isn't.

The NRL is significantly stronger than the ESL.

how many of your clubs have travelled 12000 miles with no preparation and won??

More than one.

sorry but don't talk rubbish.

Hypocrisy suits you.

we've only sent wigan down there for a wcc and they won.

Like I said, one.

And how long ago was that?

What preparation did Wigan have?

you got to within 7 on friday cos leeds took their foot off and started experimenting with players.

Crap.

Canterbury got within 7 because they were fitter than Leeds.

They shouldn't have got within 50 based on the circumstances.

If the tables were turned and the game was played in Sydney with Leeds not having a game in preparation, they would have been beaten by 50, without doubt.

marcus bai was not 100% after "that" tackle :shock: which is where most of bulldogs points came from.

So, Canterbury attacked a weak flank?

Oh my God. :lol:

please remember, leeds weren't exactly firing on all cylinders either.

Of course they were. That's a cop-out. And so is your "Leeds were experimenting and that's why Canterbury almost got them" rubbish.

They play the game so that the English side has all the advantages. The Australian side has no preparation and has to travel 12,000 miles at the end of the Australian Summer to the English Winter.

Australian sides don't take it as seriously as the English sides. The fact that the Australian side's preparations generally don't include a match prove it.

The fact that any Australian side has won that match under those conditions is staggering.

 

[loiner81]

i already said our national team aint right. it won't be while noble is in charge. he's another in a long line of yes-men.

30 years of yes men?

i'm sure i've already done this argument. no not 30 years of yes men. we were behind for many many years. recently we're getting closer but noble and waite picked very wrong teams relying on the same old losers instead of pushing the new kids in.

how many of your clubs have travelled 12000 miles with no preparation and won??

More than one.

who????

we've only sent wigan down there for a wcc and they won.

Like I said, one.

And how long ago was that?

What preparation did Wigan have?

the same as your lot. you lost get over it.

you got to within 7 on friday cos leeds took their foot off and started experimenting with players.

Crap.
Canterbury got within 7 because they were fitter than Leeds.
They shouldn't have got within 50 based on the circumstances.

If the tables were turned and the game was played in Sydney with Leeds not having a game in preparation, they would have been beaten by 50, without doubt.

you're still talking like we had loads of preparation??! we didn't.
we didn't even have a proper hooker. our half back was playing with a groin injury and yes marcus bai wasn't the same after that awesome tackle. combine that with us taking our eye off the game because it was far too easy and that's why you came back at us. when a team gets a couple of tries it changes things. it was hard for leeds to get back into it after that. we still held our nerve and won. that's the important thing.

please remember, leeds weren't exactly firing on all cylinders either.

Of course they were. That's a cop-out.

if you really believe that then you've obviously not watched leeds last season.

They play the game so that the English side has all the advantages. The Australian side has no preparation and has to travel 12,000 miles at the end of the Australian Summer to the English Winter.

Australian sides don't take it as seriously as the English sides. The fact that the Australian side's preparations generally don't include a match prove it.

blah blah, straight from the aussie media...
if those players weren't taking it seriously on friday then they don't deserve a bulldogs shirt.

The fact that any Australian side has won that match under those conditions is staggering.

name one? please.

 

[strong_latte]

blah blah, straight from the aussie media...
if those players weren't taking it seriously on friday then they don't deserve a bulldogs shirt.

The fact that any Australian side has won that match under those conditions is staggering.

name one? please.

A side who has won? The Roosters ;-)

As for the comment about them not deserving a jersey for not taking it seriously... Well you just have no idea about league in Australia. The WCC is close to irrelevant down here, no one places much importance on it at all and so most teams are just worried about injuries to key players and send their team to the WCC for a bit of practice. Steve Folks said in the lead up to the match that he wasn't too concerned about the outcome of the WCC and was spending most of his time preparing for the coming NRL trials.

 

[loiner81]

A side who has won? The Roosters ;-)

As for the comment about them not deserving a jersey for not taking it seriously... Well you just have no idea about league in Australia. The WCC is close to irrelevant down here, no one places much importance on it at all and so most teams are just worried about injuries to key players and send their team to the WCC for a bit of practice. Steve Folks said in the lead up to the match that he wasn't too concerned about the outcome of the WCC and was spending most of his time preparing for the coming NRL trials.

he claimed a team who didn't take it seriously so i ask again, who?
we all know the roosters story.

i wasn't aware of this though...

Actually the Panthers treated the match against Bradford the same way Sidney did, but they lost.

:lol:

""Andrew Ryan summed it up pretty well in todays paper, he said something along the lines of "obviously we were missing a few players, but they would have been hard to beat anyway". Full credit to Leeds, they won all the battles for the first 60 mins. and I think I saw they had 100% completions for the first 20 or so, thats how you win football games - play mistake free.""

 

[lyon is a saint]

listen mate leeds wouldent of won had all the bulldogs been fit that is a fact, what i cant get though is people in australia dont rate our league