NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[siv]

So how would you address the problem of a new club coming in that doesn't have NRL reserve grade players in it and doesnt have a LC or NRL club funding it? Fans aren't interested in the current comps as they aren't legit comps so how do you generate any revenue as a new club in these comps, and how do you avoid getting flogged by the nrl reserve grade clubs?

You remove NRL contracted players

Suddenly all clubs at level are equal

Add a new team is no longer a issue, other than it should be a "region' rather than a former western Sydney A grade team

 

[Colk]

PNG wouldnt be in Qlnd cup if NRl wasnt funding it, and there in lies the problem.

I know that.

But the irony of making the comp they are playing in a third tier competition whilst at the same time arguing that it is vital to have them in the main competition because it is good for Pacific Islands development is quite risible.

People seem to think there isn’t a game outside the NRL

 

[siv]

PNG are faring quite well in the RLWC. It shows the PNG Hunters' decade in the Queensland Cup is starting to produce a more robust group of players capable of competing with NRL players. Traditional NSWRL fans want to erode these gains so a few hundred dinosaurs can watch three grades.

They can still play in the Qld Cup

The only change is in the opposition is that the 3 odd NRL contracted players wont be playing

 

[Colk]

You remove NRL contracted players

Suddenly all clubs at level are equal

Add a new team is no longer a issue, other than it should be a "region' rather than a former western Sydney A grade team

Of course .

What would be the point of getting WA for example to fly across the country so they can participate in the Ron Massey Cup? What would that prove?

 

[Colk]

They can still play in the Qld Cup

The only change is in the opposition is that the 3 odd NRL contracted players wont be playing

No it won’t be. They will be playing in a third grade competition. The effect will be felt in the medium to long term as well.

There will be more than those numbers too. If NRL need to have reserve grade teams under this hair brained idea they will move squad numbers up to 40 so that will be what another 50-100 players pulled out of Qld Cup predominantly.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They can still play in the Qld Cup

The only change is in the opposition is that the 3 odd NRL contracted players wont be playing

Who is going to sponsor the Queensland Cup and its teams?

Will the sponsors pay the same rate as they do now?

How much media coverage will this competition get?

What will the standard of competition be like?

 

[Iamback]

Pfft

Rockhampton Leagues club might want to fund the Capras (that’s their own prerogative) but if you don’t think it will have a negative effect on the clubs and those regions then you are deluded. They would be funding an amateur team and providing no link to the NRL for the players in that region. More importantly who is playing in this competition now. If you are 22 and you are not re-signed and there is no link left to the NRL what do you think it will happen? They might play socially in Australia or if they want to continue their career they will play in England or try their hand at Union. Their career is essentially finished with the NRL.

The churn or turnover of players in this idea will be absolutely huge - you are essentially reducing the amount of second grade sides from 26 to 17. That is the push factor. Couple this with the idea of a NYC (which is a very good thing but that’s the pull factor) clubs will be making decisions on players in an incredibly short time. You also won’t be seeing many mature players in ‘reserve grade’ if this decision goes through

2. The point I was making was that if you essentially wanted to expand, the argument made by some people against certain areas is that they don’t have a bunch of juniors (it is a stupid argument nonetheless) but how are they going to improve their development if they have no access to competitions like QLD Cup in its current format which ironically is what some people suggest they do. What you want them to enter into a state amateur competition and wear the costs to prove what?

Older guys are being signed on train and trial type deals now.

It isn't 26 teams of all full timers though, Take the Rockhampton team or PNG team they are essentially semi pro teams.
Hell particularly around time the Storm and Bronco feeder sides have no full timers.

So if everyone is on the same level shouldn't they develop better then now?

As for the purpose, Development and to get noticed by the NRL clubs. Guys sitting in Perth aren't getting noticed atm.

Fiji has had to combine with Roosters to have a partial NSW Cup team. How are they not better in a competition as a full team?

 

[Iamback]

Of course .

What would be the point of getting WA for example to fly across the country so they can participate in the Ron Massey Cup? What would that prove?

That is what Fiji are doing right now
Perth has done in the past
Storm run Flegg and Ball teams of mostly Victorians, Go back to play A Grade when they get too old because they are no chance in NSW Cup

 

[The Great Dane]

That is what Fiji are doing right now

Only because of Covid, and they still have the intention of launching a NSW Cup side.

They also have the Australian Taxpayer underwriting them…

Perth has done in the past

And it’s an unsustainable frivolity that is only possible because of a generous backer.

Storm run Flegg and Ball teams of mostly Victorians, Go back to play A Grade when they get too old because they are no chance in NSW Cup

All of which the Storm loses money on, but the NRL side funds in the hope that it will eventually develop into a healthy junior nursery.

Are you starting to see the pattern yet?

You will not see significant sustainable growth in any lower tier competition until it becomes a commercially viable business in it’s own right, and removing access to NRL standard pro players would make that significantly harder to achieve in the case of NSW and QLD Cup’s.

 

[The Great Dane]

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Like I said earlier ` developing other income streams to replace the expected decline in gambling revenue`, but you don`t want to know that, it doesn`t suit your relentlessly negative agenda (see your response) and your small-minded attitude that that is all Rugby League Clubs are capable of. Look up the word conglomerate. Fortunately, these clubs are run by people with much greater foresight and imagination than you will ever have. You were obviously born an idiot, and true to form will die one.

Mate you’re not even addressing the argument I’m making. You frankly seem incapable of even understanding it, yet I’m the idiot…

BTW; if the clubs were run by such geniuses they wouldn’t get themselves into the predicaments that they regularly get themselves into. They’d also be capable of running their multimillion dollar football clubs as sustainable businesses independent of their other business interests, which, unfortunately, most of them seem totally incapable of doing.

Good thing they’ve got their NRL and Leagues Club grants to fall back on so there aren’t any real consequences for their poor decision making! No need to worry, or do anything, about the fact that the people whose business is to run a football business seem totally incapable of doing their jobs…

 

[Iamback]

Only because of Covid, and they still have the intention of launching a NSW Cup side.

They also have the Australian Taxpayer underwriting them…

And it’s an unsustainable frivolity that is only possible because of a generous backer.

All of which the Storm loses money on, but the NRL side funds in the hope that it will eventually develop into a healthy junior nursery.

Are you starting to see the pattern yet?

You will not see significant sustainable growth in any lower tier competition until it becomes a commercially viable business in it’s own right, and removing access to NRL standard pro players would make that significantly harder to achieve in the case of NSW and QLD Cup’s.

In 2023, Roosters will run a NSW Cup team with the Fijians and some younger guys. Fiji needed an NRL team to be able to run a side.

Are you starting to see the pattern yet?

It isn't an even playing field, That is why it isn't viable.

Take Penrith who won every thing last season, Have a $25m CoE to train in. Get $5m funding from the NRL which in turn they are able to put $3m of funding into lower grades. Should they need it have $250m worth of assets to tap into.

How is a Park side playing out of Casey Fields in Suburban Melbourne going to compete with that?

As a result Melbourne pick their top side, Hope that the QLD Cup teams they are using have some decent depth. Rather then be able to build up their own locals to fill gaps in the coming years

As the comp expands, Especially if a Perth side is to come in. Then there needs to be a way to get talent from expanding markets into the top grade.

There is currently no way for that to happen

 

[Wb1234]

Ah don’t you just rugby league “fans” who see having a leagues club as a negative

this is a special kind of stupid

 

[Iamback]

Ah don’t you just rugby league “fans” who see having a leagues club as a negative

this is a special kind of stupid

Especially when the reply proved him wrong, Yet he still argued the point

 

[Canard]

So how would you address the problem of a new club coming in that doesn't have NRL reserve grade players in it and doesnt have a LC or NRL club funding it? Fans aren't interested in the current comps as they aren't legit comps so how do you generate any revenue as a new club in these comps, and how do you avoid getting flogged by the nrl reserve grade clubs?

Australia is such a small market, that in 2022, fans aren't interested in lower tier sports. It being a "legit comp" has nothing to do with it.

To weaken every team to the level of the worst one in the competition, is certainly not going to fix the fan interest.

 

[Wb1234]

Especially when the reply proved him wrong, Yet he still argued the point

He’s one of those experts that has written off the dolphins

in ten years hasnt made a single post which actually praises rugby league

 

[Iamback]

Australia is such a small market, that in 2022, fans aren't interested in lower tier sports. It being a "legit comp" has nothing to do with it.

To weaken every team to the level of the worst one in the competition, is certainly not going to fix the fan interest.

Yet the comp wants and needs to expand

 

[Iamback]

He’s one of those experts that has written off the dolphins

in ten years hasnt made a single post which actually praises rugby league

Any reason to bag out the game

 

[Wb1234]

Any reason to bag out the game

It’s weird how there’s quite a few people on here that love to stick the boot in any chance they can get

I don’t mind objective critism but it’s literally they take any chance to talk the game down

the same people who will with the same breath tell you how wonderful afl is and how rugby league can never catch up or overtake it

I really don’t understand that mentality at all

 

[MugaB]

It’s weird how there’s quite a few people on here that love to stick the boot in any chance they can get

I don’t mind objective critism but it’s literally they take any chance to talk the game down

the same people who will with the same breath tell you how wonderful afl is and how rugby league can never catch up or overtake it

I really don’t understand that mentality at all

STFU.... alf is beautiful



Snoork!!

 

[Canard]

Yet the comp wants and needs to expand

And creating a 2nd or 3rd tier amateur comp, doesn't help with this at all.

Expansion into non-RL states is going to require significant investment and time, and just like every other professional league in Australia, rely on the existing talent pools to sustain it until such time as the local market can start to provide.