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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

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siv

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Colk said:
That’s how it works and that’s why it works.

I get what your concerns are and to some degree I agree however you would either have to do it these ways:

1. Fully align it with NRL clubs so for example their squads would increase to say 40 or 45 and these teams would be full reserve grade sides

2. You truncate NRL squads to maximum 20-25 (you could make all on game day and play anyone in that 25 on game day) with the ability to bring in up to say 10-15 from the secondary league with a cap. These arrangements timewise can be based on injuries or rep fill ins etc but NRL clubs can pick from anybody in this minor league. Totally open slather.

This idea with a reserve grade wouldn’t work because either this competition would falter because people will go who I am watching and players will go elsewhere because there is no proper link with the premier competition or it simply takes the place of reserve grade because the money it is better. There would be inevitable conflict with having two secondary professional competitions.
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You stuck on the popularity concept

NRL fans will go to NRL games

State League club fan will walk diwn the road and watch their team while having a beer

Thats your fan market like ir not

But the thing missing is quality of the player developed. Single club National RG will improve the quality of the NRL player

Every year 250 players graduate U20s having a Qld Cup and NSW Cup for players who must also work gives more opportunities for THIS player pool
 
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siv said:
You stuck on the popularity concept

NRL fans will go to NRL games

State League club fan will walk diwn the road and watch their team while having a beer

Thats your fan market like ir not

But the thing missing is quality of the player developed. Single club National RG will improve the quality of the NRL player

Every year 250 players graduate U20s having a Qld Cup and NSW Cup for players who must also work gives more opportunities for THIS player pool
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Popularity doesn’t mean s*** so stop inventing arguments

1. Other than the fact that there is no evidence to back up your claim but sure. Most other sports don’t have reserve grades. They have minor leagues. Do you want to know why?
2. They’ll do something else (at least the majority) Why would they hang around when there is pretty much no chance of them picking up a NRL contract.
 
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siv said:
You stuck on the popularity concept

NRL fans will go to NRL games

State League club fan will walk diwn the road and watch their team while having a beer

Thats your fan market like ir not

But the thing missing is quality of the player developed. Single club National RG will improve the quality of the NRL player

Every year 250 players graduate U20s having a Qld Cup and NSW Cup for players who must also work gives more opportunities for THIS player pool
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Nailed it
 
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siv

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Colk said:
They’ll reduce funding because the state leagues are now amateur leagues. Pretty simple economic principles.
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Why?

One they are not amateur teams they are part-time clubs just like they are today serving the part-time player pool

The ARLC will not reduce grants, they wont divert existing funds. What will happen NRL grant will rise as ARLC revenue rises

But what it does do is put all Tier 2 clubs on a level playing field
 
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Iamback

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siv said:
Why?

One they are not amateur teams they are part-time clubs just like they are today serving the part-time player pool

The ARLC will not reduce grants, they wont divert existing funds. What will gappen NRL grant will rise as ARLC revenue rises

But what it does do is put all Tier 2 clubs on a level playing field
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Really is that simple, No reason anything changes outside the NRL contracted guys leaving
 
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Colk said:
Why would an NRL club pick a bloke from an amateur competition?
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Same reason as they do today

Ability and performance

Same reason players 31-40 get picked in RG today in NSW

And if they prove their good enough they will get a Top 30 contract

But it does do is allow another 130 players to play a higher standard that A grade for the 250 players EVERY YEAR that graduate from U20s
 
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siv said:
Why?

One they are not amateur teams they are part-time clubs just like they are today serving the part-time player pool

The ARLC will not reduce grants, they wont divert existing funds. What will gappen NRL grant will rise as ARLC revenue rises

But what it does do is put all Tier 2 clubs on a level playing field
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1. That’s absolute crap and you know it. Those players are playing QLD Cup and NSW Cup to try and get an opportunity to pick up an NRL contract. They are not playing in that competition now if there isn’t that opportunity now. You are essentially limiting the player pool to those living in Sydney and Brisbane. It’s absolutely ridiculous and the opposite of what most sports do (well those with a brain)
2. Yeah they are increasing grants to the NRL clubs but RL in this country isn’t just them. They also don’t do a lot of development outside of their own little fiefdoms do they?
 
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Iamback said:
Really is that simple, No reason anything changes outside the NRL contracted guys leaving
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You suck the top line talent of any competition what’s left? It’s not that complicated surely. You know that the competitions with the best structures don’t have teams fielding reserve grades yet for some reason again, this game thinks it is best to do it their own perverse way.

The other thing that cracks me up about people saying that every club should have a reserve grade and are ok with NSW Cup and QLD Cup becoming an amateur competition is they are the same ones who say we should invest more in the islands or invest more in regional football or demand that non traditional regions should have better competitions, yet are happy to do this at the same time.
 
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Colk said:
1. That’s absolute crap and you know it. Those players are playing QLD Cup and NSW Cup to try and get an opportunity to pick up an NRL contract. They are not playing in that competition now if there isn’t that opportunity now. You are essentially limiting the player pool to those living in Sydney and Brisbane. It’s absolutely ridiculous and the opposite of what most sports do (well those with a brain)
2. Yeah they are increasing grants to the NRL clubs but RL in this country isn’t just them. They also don’t do a lot of development outside of their own little fiefdoms do they?
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In NSW if there are no injuries almost all of the NSW Cup players TODAY have a NRL contract

By establishing a National RG you give opportunities to a pool of players from the 250 players who graduate U20s EVERY YEAR who would most likely just retire to play in a revamped NSW Cup in a part-time league

If good enough they will earn a chance through the current feeder arrangements, if not, playing in a semi-professional league allows to enjoy playing and plan for life after football

To a less extent this would also occur in Qld
 
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He didn’t nail anything. It is the inverse of logic to essentially argue that reducing the amount of opportunity given to players on the cusp of a professional career will somehow improve standards and increase the amount of players playing the game.
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I dunno why you are defending the nswrl and qrl clubs

the only reason they still exist is because the arlc is weak and has to respect the former power bases of the nswrl and qrl

both bodies are wasting money which could be better spent elsewhere

under 20/s
Reserve grade
Nrl

makes so much sense
 
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Wb1234 said:
I dunno why you are defending the nswrl and qrl clubs

the only reason they still exist is because the arlc is weak and has to respect the former power bases of the nswrl and qrl

both bodies are wasting money which could be better spent elsewhere

under 20/s
Reserve grade
Nrl

makes so much sense
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I can handle the states running u20's, It is lifting the level for the fringe players.
 
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Wb1234 said:
I dunno why you are defending the nswrl and qrl clubs

the only reason they still exist is because the arlc is weak and has to respect the former power bases of the nswrl and qrl

both bodies are wasting money which could be better spent elsewhere

under 20/s
Reserve grade
Nrl

makes so much sense
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I am not defending QRL or NSWRL as organisations (I couldn’t give a s*** about them) because they are essentially like any organisation - they are filled with some people who are competent and some people who are incompetent. What I am suggesting is that no sport follows this structure - they don’t have clubs running everything like personal fiefdoms because by nature it is exclusionary.

For any area that is unfortunate enough not to have an NRL club within its radius where is the investment coming from: any player development in an area becomes predicated on an NRL club being in that area. I could say that it has often been like this but a national RG competition would completely enshrine it.

For example, if you are in regional Queensland now, you have to hope you are picked up when you are 16 or 17 or move to Brisbane of your own accord otherwise you now have no opportunity. Right now a player missed by an NRL side could still get picked up by a local Queensland Cup side, work their way up and potentially get scouted by an NRL side by proving himself against past, present and future first graders/fringe first graders in a decent competition. Furthermore, what about those advocating for PNG or other Pacific Islands for example? At least with a QLD Cup type competition you get them playing a good standard of football against NRL contracted players which will in turn improve their standard and produce more NRL players. Happy for them to play in an amateur competition now?

It would also be a strange decision considering the recent increase of players being picked up when they are in their mid 20’s (a bit like what happens in the minor leagues in the states - what we should be doing) which suggests that the system is kind of working. If you do this, you’ll see a whole bunch of blokes who are 21 and 22 with their NRL career finished - not particularly smart.
 
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