NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[Perth Red]

Back to the Actual title Subject.... not sure why weve headed off into a juniors or reserve grade comps tangent for the past 15 pages...


I think if the bears are this 18th team, its happening in NZ, it might be that roaming team they wanted to be... just in NZ, not in NSW

I hope so, Id rather see them f**k off NZ in a few years than Perth. Better we wait for our own long term sustainable club to get an opportunity.

 

[Colk]

And you have 250 U20 players graduating ready to fill these gaps, every year

How do you think that will play out? Clubs will be making hasty judgements on players. If you unfortunately get serious injuries when you are between 19-21 or you are a late bloomer (see Jamal Fogerty, Makatoa, Scott Sorensen, Toby Rudolph etc) then you are tossed in the metaphorical rubbish bin

 

[siv]

Australia is such a small market, that in 2022, fans aren't interested in lower tier sports. It being a "legit comp" has nothing to do with it.

To weaken every team to the level of the worst one in the competition, is certainly not going to fix the fan interest.

Lets take Newtown as a classic example

When beer feast us on they get a good crowd. But is that because NRL players are playing?

The answer is no when you compare the crowd to the same two teams at the same venue is just a few hundred

 

[Colk]

Firstly it wont be called RMC

It would be called NSW or Qld Cup just like today

If you are going to expand beyond the Greater Sydney in NSW Cup, it will always require a extra travel grant

This requirement doesnt change in either model and would never be footed by NRL clubs

Thats how Adelaide, Perth & Darwin are helped

Other than being pedantic about the name (although I will add where do you expect Newtown, North Sydney, Mounties etc to play considering there would be what 4 NSW Cup sides after you take away all the NSW RG sides) the effect will still be the same.

Regarding the travel grant who is the benefactor? Why would they spend the travel costs etc for a competition that now has no link to the NRL

The second last paragraph is exactly the problem you have. Why does everything regards to the development have to be based on what the NRL clubs want? If you have a minor league set up, this is no longer an issue. You can also develop talent without it being predicated on an NRL club being in the backyard so to speak.

 

[siv]

How do you think that will play out? Clubs will be making hasty judgements on players. If you unfortunately get serious injuries when you are between 19-21 or you are a late bloomer (see Jamal Fogerty, Makatoa, Scott Sorensen, Toby Rudolph etc) then you are tossed in the metaphorical rubbish bin

No different to today. In fact the model will be better as a revamped NSW Cup and National RG will provide more opportunties

 

[siv]

Why does everything regards to the development have to be based on what the NRL clubs want?

Your correct

NRL provides a professional full development program within their $30 mil operation

State Leagues provide a part-time development program for people who choose or have to play and work within their $2 mil operation

 

[siv]

where do you expect Newtown, North Sydney, Mounties etc to play

The NSW Cup along with Wentworthville, Blacktown, St Marys, Wests

Then bring in NSW Country regions CC, North Coast, New England(Greater Northern), Riverina, Western Division maybe Maitland

And you have a opportunity to bring in Adelaide and Perth

Or see a return of Ryde-Eastwood, Windsor, Illawarra and Balmain

 

[Colk]

No different to today. In fact the model will be better as a revamped NSW Cup and National RG will provide more opportunties

Do the numbers mate. If there will be 200-250 players falling outside of NYC year upon year and your RG player amount is 340 roughly at any one time, what does that tell you?

I have never heard anybody argue that if you reduce the number of something (second tier clubs in this instance) it will increase opportunity.

I’ll leave you with the (obvious) logical conclusion from this (if you wish to admit from the numbers).

 

[Colk]

The NSW Cup along with Wentworthville, Blacktown, St Marys, Wests

Then bring in NSW Country regions CC, North Coast, New England(Greater Northern), Riverina, Western Division maybe Maitland

And you have a opportunity to bring in Adelaide and Perth

Or see a return of Ryde-Eastwood, Windsor, Illawarra and Balmain

Who is funding all this for a third grade competition?

 

[Colk]

Your correct

NRL provides a professional full development program within their $30 mil operation

State Leagues provide a part-time development program for people who choose or have to play and work within their $2 mil operation

You have stumbled upon the problem

 

[siv]

You have stumbled upon the problem

Thats reality

Professional RL v Part-time RL

Wont pathways wont change

The gap continues to grow and has now reached a point where puting NRL in these leagues hampers NRL clubs. Which became very clear in the drop Qld NRL clubs

 

[Colk]

Thats reality

Professional RL v Part-time RL

Wont pathways wont change

The gap continues to grow and has now reached a point where puting NRL in these leagues hampers NRL clubs. Which became very clear in the drop Qld NRL clubs

We will conveniently forget Cowboys (this year), Titans (last year) and Storm (since their existence) for your argument

It’s a ridiculous argument to make anyway. It is like me arguing that the reason for the Tigers, Knights, Dragons and Bulldogs being crap for the last five years or so is due to the NSW Cup.

It’s to do with a number of factors - good coaching, the club being run well and little injuries.

In any case the idea that NRL clubs should run everything to do with juniors is absolutely crazy.

 

[Perth Red]

Who is funding all this for a third grade competition?

whats third grade?
NRL + Reserves
NRL second division

ARLC will fund it, and raise revenue from it, you know because their actual constitution goes way beyond just NRL level RL.

Maybe clubs like Bears and jets would prefer to play in legit second division than be feeder clubs, which lets be honest is a pretty shite existence for those clubs to only exist to assist a club above them.

ps I've bumped the second division thread to have this discussion in there and stop derailing a thread on 18th club thread!

 

[MugaB]

I hope so, Id rather see them f**k off NZ in a few years than Perth. Better we wait for our own long term sustainable club to get an opportunity.

As no.20... you just know they'll be pushing the PNG good news story for no.19

 

[MugaB]

We'll get an 18th team and possibly expand to 20 by 2040, but there's no way in hell we'll get 24 clubs. The only way we could get to 24 is if Japanese and SE Asian businesses and govs decided they could make money from fielding teams of their own in our competition, which isn't impossible but improbable while our game is run by a Sydney-centric organisation that only cares about protecing the nine NSWRL clubs based in Sydney.

Ideally we would only have 12 clubs in our competition.

Sydney 3
Brisbane 2
Melbourne 1
Perth 1
Adelaide 1
Auckland 1
Townsville 1
Newcastle 1
Canberra 1

FMD you're an absolute muppet...
Japan and SE asia... lets grant licenses to Singapore and Logan too
Fkn Moronic

 

[Perth Red]

Perth
Adelaide
nz 2 and maybe even 3
Gosford
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still plenty of options where we go over the Next 40 years or so.

 

[Iamback]

whats third grade?
NRL + Reserves
NRL second division

ARLC will fund it, and raise revenue from it, you know because their actual constitution goes way beyond just NRL level RL.

Maybe clubs like Bears and jets would prefer to play in legit second division than be feeder clubs, which lets be honest is a pretty shite existence for those clubs to only exist to assist a club above them.

ps I've bumped the second division thread to have this discussion in there and stop derailing a thread on 18th club thread!

What funding did Perth get to run a side in Jim Beam Cup?

As for funding it is going to be the Top League in either state, I doubt the funding changes.

In fact if local govts get on board it may even grow more so

 

[Colk]

Perth
Adelaide
nz 2 and maybe even 3
Gosford
brisbane south bank
png

still plenty of options where we go over the Next 40 years or so.

I still don’t think it is feasible to have 24 sides in a competition (not unless you have a population like Japan, America, China. India etc)

Even putting the size of the market aside, where is this talent coming from? Are we getting players from the States? Are we absolutely dominating the Pacific?

 

[Perth Red]

As no.20... you just know they'll be pushing the PNG good news story for no.19

It’s got political legs but no chance. Nrl has neither the money or the balls to make it happen.

 

[Perth Red]

I still don’t think it is feasible to have 24 sides in a competition (not unless you have a population like Japan, America, China. India etc)

Even putting the size of the market aside, where is this talent coming from? Are we getting players from the States? Are we absolutely dominating the Pacific?

it would never happen in isolation of participation and development strategies. That’s an area we do fall over on time and again though. people have been saying not enough talent for decades but what has nrl done to address that issue? Some of those clubs such as png and nz are easier fixes due to participation rates or raw natural ability, others need better consideration and thinking through.

an example is they could give expansion clubs in perth and Adelaide salary cap exemptions to sign talent from outside nrl ie union and uk Etc