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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

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Colk

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Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
Three teams in Brisbane isn't repeating what happened in Sydney.

Brisbane 2022 = 2.4m
Sydney 2022 = 5m

Gold Coast isn't part of the Brisbane metropolitan area. Using them to argue against Brisbane 3 is like saying the Knights' woes are due to Sydney having too many teams.



So you're a hypocrite saying Brisbane should be held to a different standard to Sydney?

You've seen the annual financial reports regarding worth to sponsors.

Broncos $12.9m
Dolphins $10m.

Sharks $4m.
Bulldogs $3.6

Brisbane isn't over saturated.
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Yes it is repeating what happened in Sydney if you are going to add two sides within the space of a few years or at once - they actually did it a few times (Manly and Parra 1947 and Cronulla and Penrith 1967)

The Dolphins haven’t even kicked a ball yet. We don’t know what their support is or what they are going to be like on the field. Wouldn’t the smart thing be seeing how they go first?
 
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Canard said:
The article you posted had no mention of funding.

Sorry mate, I'm not across all things Union like you seem to be.

It's not a stadium is it? And the Reds won't be playing there?
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Is @Wb1234 talking about Ballymore?

I think the western stand is going to be knocked down and turned into an administrative and training centre with a capacity of just 3k seats. It'll be a training facility and used at the Olympics.

www.yourneighbourhood.com.au

Approved - Ballymore Masterplan - Herston, Brisbane

The Ballymore Redevelopment Masterplan has been approved by the State Government and construction will begin on the development in February 2022. The master pl
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Colk said:
Yes it is repeating what happened in Sydney if you are going to add two sides within the space of a few years or at once - they actually did it a few times (Manly and Parra 1947 and Cronulla and Penrith 1967)

The Dolphins haven’t even kicked a ball yet. We don’t know what their support is or what they are going to be like on the field. Wouldn’t the smart thing be seeing how they go first?
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I'd wait a decade before making any plans on a third team. If the Dolphins are drawing 20k to 30k at Lang Park then a third team based south of the river could be feasible. If Dolphins are struggling then no way.

Colk said:
Also comparing GC to Newcastle is a bit fanciful. Newcastle is easily twice the distance away from Sydney as GC is to Brisbane.
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My point is expansion in Brisbane is irrelevant to what happens on the Gold Coast as it's a separate region. If Titans are struggling then there's something wrong with the model they're using or the market they represent. Keeping RL in Brisbane limited to one or two teams is not going to make the Titans a powerhouse. For all we know the Titans could be the sole team in SEQ and still struggle.
 
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Canard said:
The article you posted had no mention of funding.

Sorry mate, I'm not across all things Union like you seem to be.

It's not a stadium is it? And the Reds won't be playing there?
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Yeh when I make comments and people vehemently disagree when they can’t be bothered to google what’s going on can be a bit frustrating lol
 
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Get Rid of The Donkeys said:
I'd wait a decade before making any plans on a third team. If the Dolphins are drawing 20k to 30k at Lang Park then a third team based south of the river could be feasible. If Dolphins are struggling then no way.



My point is expansion in Brisbane is irrelevant to what happens on the Gold Coast as it's a separate region. If Titans are struggling then there's something wrong with the model they're using or the market they represent. Keeping RL in Brisbane limited to one or two teams is not going to make the Titans a powerhouse. For all we know the Titans could be the sole team in SEQ and still struggle.
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Fair enough. I agree with all that.

I don’t have a problem with another Brisbane a decade down the track particularly considering the growth in that area and in SEQ in general. It wouldn’t surprise if this happens in any case (I’d predict the next three sides to be Perth, NZ 2 and Brisbane 3)

Hopefully they base the next one in the city rather than on the outskirts.
 
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Perth Red said:
Why arent the hunters with a rl mad country and the biggest jnr base in the world to pick a side from winning qrl and interstate cups every year? Money is the answer.
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By the time players are identified with a good season or 2 for the Hunters it’s too late for many of them to make it to the NRL. Olam went from Digicel Cup to Hunters to one of the best centres in the NRL within 4-5 years so the potential is there.

A big game changer would be a Hunters U18s and/or U20s side playing in Queensland comps.
 
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Colk said:
They have small grounds though. There is no point in building a stadium to be used by reserve grade teams or the NRLW
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Redcliffe seems to be the back up, It held a few events but only holds 12k.

What for the events where 20k is expected?
 
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Thanks for posting flipikat. that’s really positve news, I knew the state govt were supportive but looks like they are super supportive and will be a key partner in a bid. Hopefully we have a consortium of rich local investors ready to step up and make a compelling case now.
 
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Wb1234 said:
Doesn’t sound like the bears are nailed on

and they don’t have the best ground. Hbf park is actually a poor ground
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It’s not poor at all it’s middling I’d say.superior to some,not as good as others.
It’s capacity is 20,500 and has around 19,000 Seats. from a fans point of view it is good, close to train, close to bars and restaurants and adequate seating close to pitch.
Where it’s lacking currently is corporate facilities. Ideally phase 3 will see a new western corporate stand taking capacity up to 25kish then phase 4 roof over the newish south stand and shed end terracing extending full length of north stand.
That’d take it up to around 27k which would be perfect.
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westerntiger said:
That article was written by some clueless head in the local perth media. Perth needed a new rectangular stadium like AAMI Park (pretty sure there were plans for one about 20 years ago). They've instead wasted money on a new stand at a poorly converted AFL oval
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Yeh was very short sighted back in 2011. So far they’ve spent over $160mill on hbf park in last ten years. It still needs another $100mill on it.
Sadly the need for an upgrade for Force and Glory and the carrot of an nrl club at the time meant they pushed it through before optus was decided, the sensible thing would have been a new rectangular stadium right next door to optus but having spent $125mill on it they couldn’t then justify a new one When the Burswood stadium plan was decided.

not many know but there was supposed to be a rectangular 30k stadium built in city centre where the arena ended up as part of the deal with Burswood casino to pull down the dome back in early 2000’s. Some very dodgy dealing meant it never happened.
 
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Iamback said:
Redcliffe seems to be the back up, It held a few events but only holds 12k.

What for the events where 20k is expected?
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I think you’re applying the conditions of the Sydney market and naturally assuming that those conditions hold in other markets. Sydney has nine league sides, two fumbleball sides, three a-league sides and a union side. That’s way too many sides in a market like Sydney (there really is only room for just over half that) but putting that aside for one moment, it is likely that 20k is quite a reasonable expectation for most events, so there is a need for that type of stadium.

As Canard mentioned earlier Brisbane is a completely different scenario and market to Sydney. In Brisbane you have two NRL sides, an AFL side and a union side. What events would there be where 20k is the max expected attendance? They are not going to be NRLW games or QLD Cup games. Maybe A-League although Roar fans seemed happy with Redcliffe. Union maybe but who cares about them.

Essentially you are asking the QLD State government to build a stadium for League (predominantly) when you have the best rectangular stadium in the country based on the few times that you get less than 20k. What’s the point? If the Dolphins can’t get at least 20k average attendance in a city of more then two million people when they are only the second team in that city then they shouldn’t have been put in the competition.
 
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