NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[Wb1234]

Yeah, but the advent of pokies ENTRENCHED that dominance - at a time when the growth of Brisbane was outpacing the growth of Sydney (1960s-1980s) and Brisbane went from a quarter of Sydney's population to just half.

It wasn't a level playing field (revenue-wise) at a time when Brisbane could have made some headway IF all things were equal.

You had the perverse situation of a high population growth city struggling to make headway.

Hahahhaa

 

[flippikat]

Hahahhaa

Is that the only counter you have to my point?

 

[Wb1234]

Is that the only counter you have to my point?

Nswrl > qrl in 1908

pokies came in the 60s

on any metric nswrl dwarfed the qrl without pokies

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Sydney comp was by far the most dominant well before pokies were invented. And whatever the most dominant comp is gets the best players, the best players that everyone wants to see play .

So how come Queensland dominated the interstate series in the 1920s?

The answer is because before WWI it was the NSWRL + NSWRU's best players vs the BRL. The QRU was stronger than the BRL. NSWRL was stronger than NSWRU. When it became NSWRL vs BRL + QRU's best players then the tables reversed. There wasn't much between Queensland and NSW in the late 40s and 50s before NSW Government legalised gaming machines in Sydney.

Just accept that the NSWRL clubs wouldn't have been in such a powerful position by the end of the 80s without the revenue they pulled from their pokies for roughly 30 years. These clubs are now small and powerless against big clubs like the Broncos, Storm and Cowboys. The only thing keeping the Sydney teams alive is the annual grant and gaming machine revenue. Take that away and they'll end up just like the BRL clubs.

 

[Pneuma]

Is that the only counter you have to my point?

It’s all it deserves

 

[Pneuma]

So how come Queensland dominated the interstate series in the 1920s?

The answer is because before WWI it was the NSWRL + NSWRU's best players vs thw BRL - QRU's best players. When it became NSWRL vs BRL + QRU's best players then the tables reversed. There wasn't much between Queensland and NSW in the late 40s and 50s before NSW Government legalised gaming machines in Sydney.

Just accept that the NSWRL clubs wouldn't have been in such a powerful position by the end of the 80s without the revenue they pulled from their pokies for roughly 30 years. These clubs are now small and powerless against big clubs like the Broncos, Storm and Cowboys. The only thing keeping the Sydney teams alive is the annual grant and gaming machine revenue. Take that away and they'll end up just like the BRL clubs.

Who frigging cares?. It’s history. Get over it. Constantly whinging like a two year old doesn’t change anything

 

[flippikat]

Nswrl > qrl in 1908

pokies came in the 60s

on any metric nswrl dwarfed the qrl without pokies

You miss my point.

The disadvantage of not having pokies PREVENTED Brisbane from trying to catch up with Sydney.. in fact it exacerbated things.

Before the 1960s Brisbane could sustain a reasonable competition and hang onto some talent.. even in the face of Sydney's bigger population & economy... but from then on, the plundering (which admittedly was already happening) INTENSIFIED.

 

[flippikat]

It’s all it deserves

You see, this is why all places outside NSW ran to Superleague.

Think about it.

 

[Pneuma]

You miss my point.

The disadvantage of not having pokies PREVENTED Brisbane from trying to catch up with Sydney.. in fact it exacerbated things.

Before the 1960s Brisbane could sustain a reasonable competition and hang onto some talent.. even in the face of Sydney's bigger population & economy... but from then on, the plundering (which admittedly was already happening) INTENSIFIED.

Jesus mate your posts are getting liked by the donkey!

 

[Pneuma]

You see, this is why all places outside NSW ran to Superleague.

Think about it.

I don’t care. It’s 2023. Get over it.

 

[flippikat]

I don’t care. It’s 2023. Get over it.

Get over it?

Give us a Perth team, an Adelaide team, 2nd team in NZ, and swap one Sydney club for a 3rd team in Brisbane & we'll think about it.

 

[Wb1234]

You miss my point.

The disadvantage of not having pokies PREVENTED Brisbane from trying to catch up with Sydney.. in fact it exacerbated things.

Before the 1960s Brisbane could sustain a reasonable competition and hang onto some talent.. even in the face of Sydney's bigger population & economy... but from then on, the plundering (which admittedly was already happening) INTENSIFIED.

Catch up how ? Maybe get a little bit stronger but not in a way to challenge the nswrl

the whole argument is cute when it comes to talk about origin but it’s a loads of bs

even now how many nrl clubs does qld have and where are the bulk of tv ratings generated

 

[Wb1234]

Get over it?

Give us a Perth team, an Adelaide team, 2nd team in NZ, and swap one Sydney club for a 3rd team in Brisbane & we'll think about it.

Perth and Adelaide nrl teams

yep they are going to make the game massive

 

[flippikat]

Jesus mate your posts are getting liked by the donkey!

Play the ball, not the man.

You've refused to engage in my points.

 

[flippikat]

Perth and Adelaide nrl teams

yep they are going to make the game massive

Every other sports league can't be wrong, can they?

 

[Pneuma]

Play the ball, not the man.

You've refused to engage in my points.

I have. You’re arguing against history and it’s pointless.

 

[Pneuma]

Get over it?

Give us a Perth team, an Adelaide team, 2nd team in NZ, and swap one Sydney club for a 3rd team in Brisbane & we'll think about it.

I’m 100% pro expansion. Perth now. PNG and nz next. Adelaide is a decade away. Keep all current clubs unless they fall.

 

[Wb1234]

Every other sports league can't be wrong, can they?

Yep a league and nbl are massive

we should copy them

why doesn’t the afl copy us with teams in Auckland Newcastle and North Queensland

 

[Iamback]

You miss my point.

The disadvantage of not having pokies PREVENTED Brisbane from trying to catch up with Sydney.. in fact it exacerbated things.

Before the 1960s Brisbane could sustain a reasonable competition and hang onto some talent.. even in the face of Sydney's bigger population & economy... but from then on, the plundering (which admittedly was already happening) INTENSIFIED.

1960 Brisbane population 603k
1960 Sydney population 2.1m

3x the population didn't have anything to do with it?

 

[flippikat]

Yep a league and nbl are massive

we should copy them

why doesn’t the afl copy us with teams in Auckland Newcastle and North Queensland

They manage to run a league across all capitals with far less resources than NRL, and arguably would get less from broadcast rights & sponsorship if they didn't have that footprint.. maybe even sending it into unviable territory.

AFL doesn't copy the NRL with midsize regional centres because

a) AFL-land doesn't really have many Townsvilles or Newcastles or Wollongongs to expand to, besides Tasmania (likely next).

b) They wanna put East Coast top tier teams in big metros (and have local derbies!).

c) They realise they're close to the limit for competition size right now - arguably they may have overstretched to 18 teams. However 20 teams will probably be it for some time - adding Tasmania (the closest they have to a small regional team to expand in AfL-land - and long teased) & likely either Perth 3 or NT or Canberra... Perth being "big metro", Canberra admittedly being a mid size market, but strategic as the national capital, and it's location near the Barassi line is strategic too.