NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[flippikat]

I always figure that there`s 16 soon 17 clubs in the NRL therefore you should win a GF at least every 16 ( soon 17 ) years. This seems like a bloody long time between drinks but that`s what it would take for everyone to get their turn.
As a St. George supporter in the 70`s I was spoilt rotten for seeing my team on T.V on the big day, not so good in the eighties but I still consider the 90`s a success despite going 0 out of 4 in that decade.

Yeah, with everything perfectly even you'd see titles for each club every 17 years - but even with the imbalances it's reasonable to expect a title within about 25 years.... so the Raiders, Warriors & Eels are certainly overdue.

 

[xe_kilroy]

A few clubs often get a little dynasty happening. A great HC and a pool of young players all together.

You had periods in the past of Canterbury, Manly, Parramatta, Canberra, Brisbane, Roosters, Storm, now Penrith. Little dynasties that bring lots of finals appearances, a couple titles.

There are certain clubs just run very well who know how to do it, so you keep getting those same teams staying strong, or gaining back a little dynasty after a short slump.

And clubs who are a struggling so much, poor business plans, board dysfunction, they haven't found the know-how to build a little dynasty so will continue to not see finals or win titles.

 

[flippikat]

A few clubs often get a little dynasty happening. A great HC and a pool of young players all together.

You had periods in the past of Canterbury, Manly, Parramatta, Canberra, Brisbane, Roosters, Storm, now Penrith. Little dynasties that bring lots of finals appearances, a couple titles.

There are certain clubs just run very well who know how to do it, so you keep getting those same teams staying strong, or gaining back a little dynasty after a short slump.

And clubs who are a struggling so much, poor business plans, board dysfunction, they haven't found the know-how to build a little dynasty so will continue to not see finals or win titles.

The problem with the Raiders, Eels, Tigers, Warriors & Titans is that as an organization, none of them have history of multiple dynasties, multiple instances where they've rebuilt to a level where they rule the roost.

True, the Eels & Raiders have had one period in their history where they dominated the competition over a few years, but the rest? Not even close.

Anyway.. we're drifting a bit off topic now!

 

[Colk]

The problem with the Raiders, Eels, Tigers, Warriors & Titans is that as an organization, none of them have history of multiple dynasties, multiple instances where they've rebuilt to a level where they rule the roost.

True, the Eels & Raiders have had one period in their history where they dominated the competition over a few years, but the rest? Not even close.

Anyway.. we're drifting a bit off topic now!

To be fair though those periods were over a fairly time. They were near a decade and that is very rare.

I would also add that the Eels have had a fair few opportunities over the years. My side, has been ok the last five years (up and down). The Tigers, Titans and Warriors have probably waited too long between challenging.

 

[xe_kilroy]

Yep, teams with a (fairly recent) history of building a little dynasty have the know-how to do it again years later. Whereas the other clubs keep trying to find out (unsuccessfully) how to do it. Thus....over a 17 year period you'll seldom get each team winning a premiership, but the usual suspects, splitting them mostly, and every now and then a rare lightning in a bottle -- warriors making GF, Tigers winning a premiership.

 

[Perth Red]

This massive gap in the tv deal should put to be once and for all where nrl needs to expand to next. it’s clear without the australian 5 metro city markets being represented in the nrl that the revenue gap is only going to keep increasing. Time for nrl to invest in order to reap the returns.

 

[flippikat]

This massive gap in the tv deal should put to be once and for all where nrl needs to expand to next. it’s clear without the australian 5 metro city markets being represented in the nrl that the revenue gap is only going to keep increasing. Time for nrl to invest in order to reap the returns.

The AFL know all the 5 metro markets need a place at the big table, as do the Big Bash League, as does the Netball...

As does just about every sport except the rugby codes - and RU can be kinda excused as they have 4 out of 5, AND NZ Rugby have objections to putting too many Australian teams in Super Rugby that would be a roadblock to getting Adelaide a team (the last piece of that puzzle).

 

[Colk]

The AFL know all the 5 metro markets need a place at the big table, as do the Big Bash League, as does the Netball...

As does just about every sport except the rugby codes - and RU can be kinda excused as they have 4 out of 5, AND NZ Rugby have objections to putting too many Australian teams in Super Rugby that would be a roadblock to getting Adelaide a team (the last piece of that puzzle).

Exactly. People on here think that it is too hard yet an answer to some of RL’s woes is staring at them smack bang in their face.

 

[The Great Dane]

My favourite excuse is when people say that the travel costs involved in a national comp are simply too expensive. Meanwhile tiny minority sports running semi-pro national comps on the smell of an oily rag, like Ice Hockey and Baseball for example, can somehow manage it.

The other one that tickles me is when morons say something along the lines of "there's no support for RL in Adelaide/Perth/wherever, so they don't deserve a team", but how could there be a large consumer base for RL in those places when the NRL/RL establishment doesn't sell the product in that market.
The fact that the people that pull that line out don't realise that what they are saying is akin to saying, e.g., McDonalds shouldn't expand into a new market because the Big Mac's sale figures are too low there is hilarious to me.

 

[Colk]

My favourite excuse is when people say that the travel costs involved in a national comp are simply too expensive. Meanwhile tiny minority sports running semi-pro national comps on the smell of an oily rag, like Ice Hockey and Baseball for example, can somehow manage it.

The other one that tickles me is when morons say something along the lines of "there's no support for RL in Adelaide/Perth/wherever, so they don't deserve a team", but how could there be a large consumer base for RL in those places when the NRL/RL establishment doesn't sell the product in that market.
The fact that the people that pull that line out don't realise that what they are saying is akin to saying, e.g., McDonalds shouldn't expand into a new market because the Big Mac's sale figures are too low there is hilarious to me.

It doesn’t make any sense. How do they think any successful venture is undertaken?

 

[Diesel]

My favourite excuse is when people say that the travel costs involved in a national comp are simply too expensive. Meanwhile tiny minority sports running semi-pro national comps on the smell of an oily rag, like Ice Hockey and Baseball for example, can somehow manage it.

The other one that tickles me is when morons say something along the lines of "there's no support for RL in Adelaide/Perth/wherever, so they don't deserve a team", but how could there be a large consumer base for RL in those places when the NRL/RL establishment doesn't sell the product in that market.
The fact that the people that pull that line out don't realise that what they are saying is akin to saying, e.g., McDonalds shouldn't expand into a new market because the Big Mac's sale figures are too low there is hilarious to me.

There are obviously strong club ties that are against adding Perth/Adelaide sides as they don’t want to share their 1/16th of the pie. We’ve gone through multiple admin people and the same results with no expansion. I don’t know which clubs are the main offenders but I’d have a guess it’s one QLD club and up to three Sydney clubs with influential board members. I wouldn’t put it past Nine either as they seem to have a few people involved in one certain club more than any other club

 

[Colk]

There are obviously strong club ties that are against adding Perth/Adelaide sides as they don’t want to share their 1/16th of the pie. We’ve gone through multiple admin people and the same results with no extension. I don’t know which clubs are the main offenders but I’d have a guess it’s one QLD club and up to three Sydney clubs with influential board members. I wouldn’t put it past Nine either as they seem to have a few people involved in one club more than others

It’s a combination of myopia and conflict of interest.

 

[The Great Dane]

It doesn’t make any sense. How do they think any successful venture is undertaken?

It doesn't need to make sense.

Outside of the relative handful of people I've interacted with that seem to genuinely not understand basic economics or business practices, whom are a tiny minority that aren't worth discussing, I'm pretty sure that the people whom repeat the sort of stuff above do it exclusively because of confirmation bias.

It affirms their preconceived notions and sounds okay if you don't think about it, so they run with it. Then you get to the point where a lie has been repeated often enough that it's accepted as a truism, at which point it spreads like a cancer because most people aren't examining the claim critically.

 

[Colk]

It doesn't need to make sense.

Outside of the relative handful of people I've interacted with that seem to genuinely not understand basic economics or business practices, whom are a tiny minority that aren't worth discussing, I'm pretty sure that the people whom repeat the sort of stuff above do it exclusively because of confirmation bias.

It affirms their preconceived notions and sounds okay if you don't think about it, so they run with it. Then you get to the point where a lie has been repeated often enough that it's accepted as a truism, at which point it spreads like a cancer because most people aren't examining the claim critically.

Exactly it becomes a sort of Orwellian construct or doublethink. It’s like RL is a TV sport

 

[The Great Dane]

There are obviously strong club ties that are against adding Perth/Adelaide sides as they don’t want to share their 1/16th of the pie. We’ve gone through multiple admin people and the same results with no expansion. I don’t know which clubs are the main offenders but I’d have a guess it’s one QLD club and up to three Sydney clubs with influential board members. I wouldn’t put it past Nine either as they seem to have a few people involved in one certain club more than any other club

There's always been an old boys club with outsized control over the sport whom are against anything that they perceive as a threat to their club or it's status, which is why the sport needs a truly independent commission.

 

[The Great Dane]

Exactly it becomes a sort of Orwellian construct or doublethink. It’s like RL is a TV sport

My favourite one is the hypothesis that the Sydney Swans were only successful because of SL. I've literally not found a single piece of hard evidence that that's actually the case, and I've looked for years.

It seems to me to be a case of people not understanding that correlation doesn't equal causation, and a sort of coping mechanism for people whom find it hard to accept that an Aussie Rules club can be successful in Sydney.

 

[Colk]

My favourite one is the hypothesis that the Sydney Swans were only successful because of SL. I've literally not found a single piece of hard evidence that that's actually the case, and I've looked for years.

It seems to me to be a case of people not understanding that correlation doesn't equal causation, and a sort of coping mechanism for people whom find it hard to accept that an Aussie Rules club can be successful in Sydney.

I think a lot of it stems from an emotional association with the said object, concept or idea. Once that emotional connection is formed, thus ensuing the feelings of it being unique to them or to their community, any change to that idea, concept or object threatens their emotional connection.

You get that sense with discussions ranging from what is authentic (i.e a club outside of Sydney is a plastic club apparently) or that people from Perth and Adelaide or somewhere that League didn’t supposedly derive from (even though it derived from England) can’t possibly understand or appreciate the game.

You can respond with logic, statistics or empirical evidence but they won’t accept it.

 

[The Great Dane]

I think a lot of it stems from an emotional association with the said object, concept or idea. Once that emotional connection is formed, thus ensuing the feelings of it being unique to them or to their community, any change to that idea, concept or object threatens their emotional connection.

You get that sense with discussions ranging from what is authentic (i.e a club outside of Sydney is a plastic club apparently) or that people from Perth and Adelaide or somewhere that League didn’t supposedly derive from (even though it derived from England) can’t possibly understand or appreciate the game.

You can respond with logic, statistics or empirical evidence but they won’t accept it.

There's definitely an emotional fear of change and a purity test going on, but a lot of it is just the anchoring effect as well.

I don't know what you can do about any of this though, as for most people there's no way around that kind of lizard brain shit without a good critical thinking course, and those haven't been part of the standard curriculum for generations...

It's really a massive societal problem that goes far beyond football politics.

 

[Perth Red]

Nz2 are not going to significantly help close the $200mill gap that now exists in tv revenue. Nrl need to get on the front foot and it needs to be now. They should be upping nrlwa funding from the poxy $750k a year they currently get to $3million and choosing which perth bid they want to go with behind closed doors. Announce next year that this perth bid will be entering nsw cup in 2024 with a view to entering the nrl in 2026/27. They can then start the renogtiations with tv for an 18 team comp. Fund the new franchise properly from 2024 and let’s start proactively building our competition to be more attractive to tv.

if the nrl were more competent I would encourage a joint ownership bid between nrl and one of the three bids for first 5 years so they can invest properly, have some control and be sure that the club will bring the success it needs to get more revenue for the game in the long run.

this should be the priority trick up Vlandys sleeves!

 

[Iamback]

My favourite excuse is when people say that the travel costs involved in a national comp are simply too expensive. Meanwhile tiny minority sports running semi-pro national comps on the smell of an oily rag, like Ice Hockey and Baseball for example, can somehow manage it.

The other one that tickles me is when morons say something along the lines of "there's no support for RL in Adelaide/Perth/wherever, so they don't deserve a team", but how could there be a large consumer base for RL in those places when the NRL/RL establishment doesn't sell the product in that market.
The fact that the people that pull that line out don't realise that what they are saying is akin to saying, e.g., McDonalds shouldn't expand into a new market because the Big Mac's sale figures are too low there is hilarious to me.

Those sports are cheaper to run, An NRL club costs atleast $20m a year to run. You can run the whole of those competitions for that.

Dolphins not only are putting $2m a year into junior development

The Redcliffe link is bringing 60 players under the top squad, That should be the requirement for any new team to come in