NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[Perth Red]

Somyo

Those sports are cheaper to run, An NRL club costs atleast $20m a year to run. You can run the whole of those competitions for that.

Dolphins not only are putting $2m a year into junior development

The Redcliffe link is bringing 60 players under the top squad, That should be the requirement for any new team to come in

So you’re only going to admit clubs with league clubs? Good luck with tv deals with that model of expansion lol

youve totally missed his point, if other much smaller revenue comps can afford to run a team in perth with associated travel costs why the frick can’t a $500mill a year nrl? of course it can, just more bs put out by anti expansionists! If we’d have got near afl deal we could have afforded a private jet for them lol.

nrl clubs cost $27-46million a year to run, depending on how much revenue they can generate.

 

[The Great Dane]

Those sports are cheaper to run, An NRL club costs atleast $20m a year to run. You can run the whole of those competitions for that.

Dolphins not only are putting $2m a year into junior development

The Redcliffe link is bringing 60 players under the top squad, That should be the requirement for any new team to come in

My point flew right over your head.

 

[Iamback]

My point flew right over your head.

As did mine to you

You can't just put teams in, without the infastructure in place

Those comps you mentioned don't run for 30 weeks or have $12m salary caps

 

[Perth Red]

As did mine to you

You can't just put teams in, without the infastructure in place

Those comps you mentioned don't run for 30 weeks or have $12m salary caps

you do know that the NRL covers all flights an accommodation costs for clubs dont you?
Why would the salary cap have any bearing on if the NRl could afford travel for a club in perth? If netball can afford it, and they travel further with NZ, then I'm sure NRL can lol

 

[MugaB]

you do know that the NRL covers all flights an accommodation costs for clubs dont you?
Why would the salary cap have any bearing on if the NRl could afford travel for a club in perth? If netball can afford it, and they travel further with NZ, then I'm sure NRL can lol

To me i dont think the issue is the cost, its the travel hours... but the travel to Auckland or Townsville isn't any different i suppose.. but thats more likely the excuse used by the players association

 

[Iamback]

you do know that the NRL covers all flights an accommodation costs for clubs dont you?
Why would the salary cap have any bearing on if the NRl could afford travel for a club in perth? If netball can afford it, and they travel further with NZ, then I'm sure NRL can lol

NRL isn't the problem, It is the 2nd tier and junior players and getting them.

That isn't an issue for Team 17 because both options had existing QCup teams

Warriors were with Redcliffe, Next year will have a U18's and NSW Cup team.
NZ 2 could follow that same model

 

[Colk]

NRL isn't the problem, It is the 2nd tier and junior players and getting them.

That isn't an issue for Team 17 because both options had existing QCup teams

Warriors were with Redcliffe, Next year will have a U18's and NSW Cup team.
NZ 2 could follow that same model

Yeah but why wouldn’t Perth and Adelaide, if they were ever admitted, just follow a similar model (link up with an existing QRL/NSWRL side). There is nothing precluding them from doing it.

If you try and do it the other way, then even if you did start producing players, they would have to move interstate or you would be producing talent for other codes (eg Western Force)

 

[Iamback]

Yeah but why wouldn’t Perth and Adelaide, if they were ever admitted, just follow a similar model (link up with an existing QRL/NSWRL side). There is nothing precluding them from doing it.

If you try and do it the other way, then even if you did start producing players, they would have to move interstate or you would be producing talent for other codes (eg Western Force)

If the interest was there they would do it

 

[Colk]

If the interest was there they would do it

There isn’t interest in Perth?

Seriously sometimes I wonder why people have such a lack of ambition for the game.

Also, was there massive interest for fumbleball for a team in Brisbane prior to having a team there. They did that because they knew it would mean more money for their competition in the end

 

[MugaB]

Yeah but why wouldn’t Perth and Adelaide, if they were ever admitted, just follow a similar model (link up with an existing QRL/NSWRL side). There is nothing precluding them from doing it.

If you try and do it the other way, then even if you did start producing players, they would have to move interstate or you would be producing talent for other codes (eg Western Force)

The junior stock simply isn't there, as much participation as both areas has, (Adelaide being a lot less) they just aren't as competetive as the east coast clubs in their comp level..
Most of you say here there needs to be a 1st grade team their to drive it as a top down approach... ala Melbourne storm... but you all forget in a city of 5 million people, they ain't getting much ground in the junior catchments or participation in Victoria even with the Storm being successful for the past 2 decades.. if Newcastle or gold coast had that kind of success, junior participation would have tripled. Top down won't work not in foreign states where the game just isn't no.1...
Perth linking with the bears over time will though as they have participation right, but not the skill level yet, and having a team there that can be competitive from day dot, will help that grow/blossom and hopefully Perth could be better than the storm in terms of expansion and junior growth, but they'll end the flogging pole if they go it alone...
I don't want that for any expansion team... that would make it a farce as much as GWS or Suns are in ALF, i want to see a proud club that can mix it with the best of them, not just be there to be counted as involved

 

[Perth Red]

To me i dont think the issue is the cost, its the travel hours... but the travel to Auckland or Townsville isn't any different i suppose.. but thats more likely the excuse used by the players association

Again though its not like EVERY other professional sport in the country, mens and womens, isn't managing this! Its an excuse not a reason.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL isn't the problem, It is the 2nd tier and junior players and getting them.

That isn't an issue for Team 17 because both options had existing QCup teams

Warriors were with Redcliffe, Next year will have a U18's and NSW Cup team.
NZ 2 could follow that same model

Dont disagree, its by far the biggest challenge to be faced for a perth club. But we can see that without a team in Perth and Adelaide we simply arent ever going to close the revenue gap on AFL, and if we are happy to be the second sport of Australia then that's fine. Sure NZ2 might bring more players to the game but it isnt going to close a $200mill Australian tv funding gap.

or we could face the challenge and find the solutions now so when a perth club comes in we have the answers. If WA got 20% of what AFL spends in NSW then the problem would be a long way to being sorted. Dont forget in the early 90's we had 10k registered RL players when Perth was only 1 million people! The Pirates SG ball side operates on a budget of around $300k whilst Sydney sides are running on $1million plus budgets. The NRL need to fund NRLWA properly, not the poxy $750k they get now that means they only have 5 staff! Fund the Elite programs properly and we will turn the sporadic NRL first teamer we are currently producing into a sustainable player development path for a local NRL club

Then its a case of a link up with a heartland area that currently does not have an NRL team. Be that in Brisbane. regional Queensland, NZ or PNG. Storm have shown this can pay off big time and address a lack of home grown talent to make a team competitive.

As AFL has shown, where there is a will there is a way!

 

[Colk]

The junior stock simply isn't there, as much participation as both areas has, (Adelaide being a lot less) they just aren't as competetive as the east coast clubs in their comp level..
Most of you say here there needs to be a 1st grade team their to drive it as a top down approach... ala Melbourne storm... but you all forget in a city of 5 million people, they ain't getting much ground in the junior catchments or participation in Victoria even with the Storm being successful for the past 2 decades.. if Newcastle or gold coast had that kind of success, junior participation would have tripled. Top down won't work not in foreign states where the game just isn't no.1...
Perth linking with the bears over time will though as they have participation right, but not the skill level yet, and having a team there that can be competitive from day dot, will help that grow/blossom and hopefully Perth could be better than the storm in terms of expansion and junior growth, but they'll end the flogging pole if they go it alone...
I don't want that for any expansion team... that would make it a farce as much as GWS or Suns are in ALF, i want to see a proud club that can mix it with the best of them, not just be there to be counted as involved

I agree with that re the juniors. To be fair, I don’t think that is the Storm’s fault but a lack of funding and vision from the ARLC.

Also, there is nothing in the system to actually encourage some clubs to invest heavily in juniors - for example if Melbourne were given some sort of dispensation than that might aid in the development of more Victorians playing in the NRL.

On the other thing, you actually have to take the plunge. People might not like the Storm (I am also not their biggest fan) but if I step back then it is easy to see that they generate a lot of money and interest in the game that wouldn’t be there otherwise.

 

[Perth Red]

I agree with that re the juniors. To be fair, I don’t think that is the Storm’s fault but a lack of funding and vision from the ARLC.

Also, there is nothing in the system to actually encourage some clubs to invest heavily in juniors - for example if Melbourne were given some sort of dispensation than that might aid in the development of more Victorians playing in the NRL.

On the other thing, you actually have to take the plunge. People might not like the Storm (I am also not their biggest fan) but if I step back then it is easy to see that they generate a lot of money and interest in the game that wouldn’t be there otherwise.

I think thats the thing, not all clubs are equal. Clubs like the Storm and Broncos create revenue for the NRL, clubs like the Panthers and Bulldogs produce players. Clubs like Souths and Warriors produce fanbases. They all have their place and different value to the sport.

People still have this mixed up notion about what an NRLs clubs responsibility is when it comes to player development. Its not the NRL clubs job to increase jnr participation, that's the role of the state body funded by the NRL. The NRL clubs job is to pick the talented ones at 15 and turn them into NRL ready first graders. The more kids playing the game the more talent there is to develop. The more an NRL club invests in its elite pathway program the more of that talent gets turned into quality first graders. The state bodies/NRL are doing a very poor job at increasing participation, at least in the male game. So bad in fact that the NRL decided to stop sharing data with us in case they be judged!

 

[xe_kilroy]

The battle for junior development is gonna be a 50-100+ year thing. You don't wait for SA/WA to have sufficient internal junior leagues and structures before adding a team otherwise you'll be waiting 50-100+ years. But if you never put a team in SA/WA first then there'll never be fans and juniors wanting a structure in place.

Having a pro team allows the sport to thus grow at the grassroots. Like Swans in Sydney. Or Lions in Brisbane.

It's not a chicken-egg thing, but more like someone said wisely before...opening a new McDonalds franchise in places where there is no McDonalds in order to create a market and consumer base.

Also, it's about TV and corporate sponsorships anyway. Having a new team in SA right now would be the same as asking the Tigers to play all their home games in Adelaide, or arranging 12 Adelaide games to be played by all clubs every season.

It should be something the NRL already is doing quite frankly, doesnt have to be 12, but say 8 games every year in WA/SA if there is no expansion NRL team for them, just to prepare for it in the future.

The AFL did the same in Sydney when they kept bringing regular season games to Sydney for a number of years before the Swans ever relocated there.

 

[Colk]

The battle for junior development is gonna be a 50-100+ year thing. You don't wait for SA/WA to have sufficient internal junior leagues and structures before adding a team otherwise you'll be waiting 50-100+ years. But if you never put a team in SA/WA first then there'll never be fans and juniors wanting a structure in place.

Having a pro team allows the sport to thus grow at the grassroots. Like Swans in Sydney. Or Lions in Brisbane.

Also, it's about TV and corporate sponsorships anyway. Having a new team in SA right now would be the same as asking the Tigers to play all their home games in Adelaide, or arranging 12 Adelaide games to be played by all clubs every season.

It should be something the NRL already is doing quite frankly, doesnt have to be 12, but say 8 games every year in WA/SA if there is no expansion NRL team for them, just to prepare for it in the future.

The AFL did the same in Sydney when they kept bringing regular season games to Sydney for a number of years before the Swans ever relocated there.

Exactly. I have never understood the argument that we shouldn’t put a side in Perth or Adelaide because they have no juniors or supporters. Well of course they don’t because they don’t have a side. It’s a logical fallacy. Same as a business complaining that they don’t have customers in a certain area but not selling there.

Take the time, invest and grow.

 

[MugaB]

Again though its not like EVERY other professional sport in the country, mens and womens, isn't managing this! Its an excuse not a reason.

I dont disagree, just know the reasoning behind their BS about it

 

[Pippen94]

There isn’t interest in Perth?

Seriously sometimes I wonder why people have such a lack of ambition for the game.

Also, was there massive interest for fumbleball for a team in Brisbane prior to having a team there. They did that because they knew it would mean more money for their competition in the end

Afl always has a presence in Queensland. Learn history

 

[Pippen94]

The battle for junior development is gonna be a 50-100+ year thing. You don't wait for SA/WA to have sufficient internal junior leagues and structures before adding a team otherwise you'll be waiting 50-100+ years. But if you never put a team in SA/WA first then there'll never be fans and juniors wanting a structure in place.

Having a pro team allows the sport to thus grow at the grassroots. Like Swans in Sydney. Or Lions in Brisbane.

It's not a chicken-egg thing, but more like someone said wisely before...opening a new McDonalds franchise in places where there is no McDonalds in order to create a market and consumer base.

Also, it's about TV and corporate sponsorships anyway. Having a new team in SA right now would be the same as asking the Tigers to play all their home games in Adelaide, or arranging 12 Adelaide games to be played by all clubs every season.

It should be something the NRL already is doing quite frankly, doesnt have to be 12, but say 8 games every year in WA/SA if there is no expansion NRL team for them, just to prepare for it in the future.

The AFL did the same in Sydney when they kept bringing regular season games to Sydney for a number of years before the Swans ever relocated there.

Adelaide is nothing

 

[Colk]

Afl always has a presence in Queensland. Learn history

So does Rugby League in Perth, yet you don’t mention that.