NSW Clubs forced out of QLD Cup

[skeepe]

That's a shame.

The NSWRL (sorry, that should be Sydney Rugby League, because they don't give a f**k about anything outside Sydney) are an absolute disgrace. Geoff Carr is a dinosaur who should not be permitted to have anything to do with the governance of our game.

 

[Rocket]

What an absolute joke that this has limped on to a pathetic resolution! How many more ways can our sport find to shoot itself in the foot?

And anyone who thinks the "right" decision was made, you are just as much a part of the problem. The game is much poorer for this whole debacle.

Without a national level body looking out for the greater good of the sport (not just one state or club) rugby league will continue to spiral downwards into sporting irrelevance.

 

[Spitty]

What an absolute joke that this has limped on to a pathetic resolution! How many more ways can our sport find to shoot itself in the foot?

And anyone who thinks the "right" decision was made, you are just as much a part of the problem. The game is much poorer for this whole debacle.

Without a national level body looking out for the greater good of the sport (not just one state or club) rugby league will continue to spiral downwards into sporting irrelevance.

Name 1 sport in the world, where every part of the game is run entirely by the elite body.

To expect that the IC, just 8 men and women were going to make decisions in regards every level of the sport is ludicrous.

Did you expect that if the Kempsey Dragons had a problem they'd report directly to the IC?

No they'd go through the CRL which would solve the problem through their by-laws, which are set by the NSWRL, who by-laws will be set by the IC. You still need local bodies to deal with local problems.

But a problem such as this, where the NSWRL are making a threat in relation to a players eligibility to play in the NRL would need to be heard by the IC, because a sanction relating to the NRL is outside the NSWRL jurisdiction.

 

[Rocket]

But a problem such as this, where the NSWRL are making a threat in relation to a players eligibility to play in the NRL would need to be heard by the IC, because a sanction relating to the NRL is outside the NSWRL jurisdiction.

I guess my point was along these lines. The problem is that when you have geographic based organisations effectively having more power than higher level bodies there will be problems. The two main state bodies wield proportionally too much power over the game as a whole (hence the move to an IC).

And I agree completely with you that we need will still need a hiearchy of entities that is largely geographically based to administer the day to day stuff. I have a lot to do with the local CRJRL and they do a great job.

But what we are missing at the moment is accountability for actions directly to a national level body that has the power to veto these sort parochial decisions that aren't in the best interests of the game.

 

[skeepe]

But a problem such as this, where the NSWRL are making a threat in relation to a players eligibility to play in the NRL would need to be heard by the IC, because a sanction relating to the NRL is outside the NSWRL jurisdiction.

That's the crazy thing though - as it stands, it's entirely in the NSWRL's jurisdiction.

As it stands, the NSWRL has the power to ban Canberra Raiders players from playing in the NRL. Seriously, that's completely f**ked up.

 

[Raider_69]

What an absolute joke that this has limped on to a pathetic resolution! How many more ways can our sport find to shoot itself in the foot?

And anyone who thinks the "right" decision was made, you are just as much a part of the problem. The game is much poorer for this whole debacle.

Without a national level body looking out for the greater good of the sport (not just one state or club) rugby league will continue to spiral downwards into sporting irrelevance.

100% spot on mate
some people just dont see it, your El Diablo's and R2Coupe's of our fan base would sooner see the return of the NSWRL and to do away with expansion and hand regions like the riverina and souths-logan over to the AFL
as long as we've got sydney, its good right? :roll:

 

[R2Coupe]

For the Raider fans unhappy about the NSWRL, consider the fact Sydney is growing at an enormous rate.

Camden is the fastest growing area in Sydney with other huge developments also occuring at locations such as Oran Park.

There are suggestions Glenmore Park near Penrith with eventually join with Harrington Park at Camden by 2030.

Thousands of young families with children wanting to play sport.

There are enormous challenges ahead as the NSWRL competes with AFL to establish strong footholds in these areas and continue to strenghen junior comps as well as providing a pathway to the NRL via the NSW Cup.

As much as the Raiders fans don't like it, the battle for the hearts and minds of children will be won in Sydney's growth areas in the South West and North West. Weststigers, Penrith, Parramatta all have roles to play.

 

[Seagullsrock]

For the Raider fans unhappy about the NSWRL, consider the fact Sydney is growing at an enormous rate.

Camden is the fastest growing area in Sydney with other huge developments also occuring at locations such as Oran Park.

There are suggestions Glenmore Park near Penrith with eventually join with Harrington Park at Camden by 2030.

Thousands of young families with children wanting to play sport.

There are enormous challenges ahead as the NSWRL competes with AFL to establish strong footholds in these areas and continue to strenghen junior comps as well as providing a pathway to the NRL via the NSW Cup.

As much as the Raiders fans don't like it, the battle for the hearts and minds of children will be won in Sydney's growth areas in the South West and North West. Weststigers, Penrith, Parramatta all have roles to play.

Ahh yeh what you just said would never have even crossed the mind of Geoff Carr or any of his NSWRL croonies because it is completely unrelated. Who cares about what area is fast growing? There is larger growing areas in Brisbane and Melbourne. This issue is not about getting children to play the game. That will be about 0.5% focus of the IC. It's about allowing clubs to play in the strongest competitions to improve rugby league. The NSW Cup is clearly inferior to the Qld Cup and by forcibly taking one team out of the Qld Cup is not going to make the NSW Cup stronger. This all applies to the Canberra juniors who are being railroaded into comps that suit Geoff Carr. As I said, Sydney rugby league will not be stronger out of this but Qld will be weaker. How is that good for the game? Carr must step down and disband his links with the NSWRL and the ARL for that matter.

 

[Deadly]

The NSW Cup is clearly inferior to the Qld Cup .

Absolute f&*king myth.

More players with NRL experience run around in the NSW Cup every weekend.

The NSW Cup has 11 NRL clubs feeding it compared to the Q Cup's 3.

Souths Logan were a basket case in the Q Cup before a NSW Cup side who had previously not made the semi finals for two seasons get into bed with them resulting in them winning a premiership.

Canberra and Manly both ventured into the Q Cup for reasons far removed from the supposed better standard of the competition.

BTW, I am not trying to criticise the Q Cup which is a great competition in its own right, but the NSW Cup's greatest problem is based on misconceptions not reality.

 

[RL Tragic]

Not sure about the NSW Cup being 'clearly inferior' to the QLD Cup with NSW generally winning the residents clash between the 2 including in 2010. If Canberra did enter the NSW Cup it would definitely make it stronger as they did with the QLD Cup when they joined Souths Logan pure player quality ensures that. But lets get away from NSW vs QLD and look at the whole 2nd tier comp and run 2 conferences North and South with a final series at the end - then we have something worth watching.

 

[adamkungl]

I may have missed this, but why don't Canberra just join the NSW Cup?

 

[Raider_69]

For the Raider fans unhappy about the NSWRL, consider the fact Sydney is growing at an enormous rate.

Camden is the fastest growing area in Sydney with other huge developments also occuring at locations such as Oran Park.

There are suggestions Glenmore Park near Penrith with eventually join with Harrington Park at Camden by 2030.

Thousands of young families with children wanting to play sport.

There are enormous challenges ahead as the NSWRL competes with AFL to establish strong footholds in these areas and continue to strenghen junior comps as well as providing a pathway to the NRL via the NSW Cup.

As much as the Raiders fans don't like it, the battle for the hearts and minds of children will be won in Sydney's growth areas in the South West and North West. Weststigers, Penrith, Parramatta all have roles to play.

you've got the sydney mentality in one mate

to hell with with the riverina and souths logan, as long as the RL strangle hold in sydney stays put, we can surrender the rest eh?

dude, this is about the good of the game in this country... take the NSWRL blinkers off see what this decision has the potential to do to our game

 

[greeneyed]

I may have missed this, but why don't Canberra just join the NSW Cup?

Why don't the Roosters? (The team that tried to kill its junior reps teams as well!)

 

[adamkungl]

Why don't the Roosters? (The team that tried to kill its junior reps teams as well!)

We hae a feeder team in the NSW Cup. If we didn't I'd be asking the same question.

 

[Raider_69]

we tried to find a feeder club, none of them were financially viable, similar situation facing St George. We have a feeder club, one which have deep roots with the club, and we are being forced to cut ties in order to maintain direct pathways for junior players

our options are:

continue a link with a feeder club in QLD in which our club has strong links too and cut our juniors out of the RL system handing the riverina over to rival codes

or

cut ties with souths logan, effectively signing their death warrant, this is a region which is one of the biggest growth areas in the country, whom are undoubtedly going to be targeted by the new AFL franchise, and now they've got no clear path ways to the NRL

rather than us maintaining our junior base and continuing to support both our local region and a thriving QLD area.

Which of those options sounds like the best thing for RL?
and which one serves only to slightly improve a state based body's very ordinary competition?

 

[El Diablo]

you're in the NSWRL or you're not

you can't seem to understand that

 

[Raider_69]

what you dont seem to understand is what is good for the code and what serves only some irrevelent state body

one word answer:

does this decision by NSWRL hurt or help Rugby League in this country?

 

[El Diablo]

it helps thanks to this correct decision

 

[adamkungl]

we tried to find a feeder club, none of them were financially viable, similar situation facing St George. We have a feeder club, one which have deep roots with the club, and we are being forced to cut ties in order to maintain direct pathways for junior players

our options are:

continue a link with a feeder club in QLD in which our club has strong links too and cut our juniors out of the RL system handing the riverina over to rival codes

or

cut ties with souths logan, effectively signing their death warrant, this is a region which is one of the biggest growth areas in the country, whom are undoubtedly going to be targeted by the new AFL franchise, and now they've got no clear path ways to the NRL

rather than us maintaining our junior base and continuing to support both our local region and a thriving QLD area.

Which of those options sounds like the best thing for RL?
and which one serves only to slightly improve a state based body's very ordinary competition?

I'm sorry, I can't see how sending players up to QLD every week is more financially viable. Also, if it's such a huge growth area, why can't Souths Logan stand on their own two feet?

 

[adamkungl]

what you dont seem to understand is what is good for the code and what serves only some irrevelent state body

one word answer:

does this decision by NSWRL hurt or help Rugby League in this country?

You can just as easily ask

is Canberra's stubborness hurting or helping Rugby League in this country?