NSW Clubs forced out of QLD Cup

[skeepe]

R2Coupe, still waiting for an answer on why you think the Raiders should relinquish all claims to juniors from Queanbeyan.

That absolutely idiotic point in and of itself renders any further arguments you have on the matter null and void as they clearly aren't coming from a functioning brain.

 

[R2Coupe]

Relinquish? Which organisation was there before the Raiders and which organisation will be there now you are punted? NSWCRL?

Queanbeyan is country NSW.

It is about time the Raiders accepted responsibility for its predicament.

If the club can't afford $500,000 it is in a sorry state. Bit of a bankrupt argument after outlaying the dollars for Orford don't you think?

Raider groupies giving each other verbal bjs over the signing of Orford better come up with a new strategy.

And of course, when the Raiders were formed, the NSWCRL and equivalent competitions run below first grade were quite acceptable to draw players from to the club. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

 

[greeneyed]

Now the Raiders aren't in the NSWRL, doesn't mean the local competition will halt, its essentially run by the Raiders, and that'll continue. What will stop over time is the top line juniors getting fed into NSW qualification teams... and they'll get fed into QLD teams probably. And this is entirely of the Sydney clubs, and NSWRL's making.

If the NSWRL wants every team to have a full NSW Cup side, it should be making the Sydney clubs do it. Do you understand the inequity in this? Seems to be too complex for you. And of course, when the Sydney clubs voted to kill the Premier League, they brought this on themselves and the NSWRL. Now they want to force Canberra to run a team at full cost, when that doesn't apply to Sydney teams.

If every NRL team were forced to run a full reserves outfit, in a national league, then that'd be equitable; in the meantime, clubs should have the flexibility to work out what is most suitable for them in the "third tier", especially geographically remote clubs like Canberra.

Orford's contract appears to be financed via a third party contract, at least to a significant extent, so I don't expect that funding would be available for a NSW Cup team... it's available for Orford. And the bit that is counted on the salary cap, well that's not transferable either... by NRL regulation, the salary cap has to be spent on the top playing roster.

You really make a lot of assumptions and claims without understanding the actual position, don't you?

 

[Pete Cash]

Relinquish? Which organisation was there before the Raiders and which organisation will be there now you are punted? NSWCRL?

Queanbeyan is country NSW.

It is about time the Raiders accepted responsibility for its predicament.

If the club can't afford $500,000 it is in a sorry state. Bit of a bankrupt argument after outlaying the dollars for Orford don't you think?

Raider groupies giving each other verbal bjs over the signing of Orford better come up with a new strategy.

And of course, when the Raiders were formed, the NSWCRL and equivalent competitions run below first grade were quite acceptable to draw players from to the club. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

hmmm yes we aren't in the business of propping up a sh*tty competition so I am of the opinion the Raiders should just make sure every talented junior in its system becomes a Queensland player.

The business of the Canberra Raiders is to win football games.

 

[whatwhat]

Relinquish? Which organisation was there before the Raiders and which organisation will be there now you are punted? NSWCRL?

Queanbeyan is country NSW.

It is about time the Raiders accepted responsibility for its predicament.

If the club can't afford $500,000 it is in a sorry state. Bit of a bankrupt argument after outlaying the dollars for Orford don't you think?

Raider groupies giving each other verbal bjs over the signing of Orford better come up with a new strategy.

And of course, when the Raiders were formed, the NSWCRL and equivalent competitions run below first grade were quite acceptable to draw players from to the club. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

You're a moron.

 

[skeepe]

I wouldn't bother guys.

R2Coupe thinks that the Raiders have done absolutely nothing for Queanbeyan. The guy is beyond help.

 

[Pete Cash]

But his argument that we should help prop up the NSW cup is silly. I am a member of the Canberra Raiders and here is my priorities for the club.

1. Winning the NRL premiership.

2. ????

Everything the Raiders does should be concerned with winning the NRL premiership. It should be about them bettering the club as best they can. I could not care if the NSW cup folded tomorrow or NSW lost the next 10 state of origins if it meant the Raiders won a premiership. This nonsense that we should be propping up this dumb comp at our own detriment is outright laughable.

 

[R2Coupe]

But his argument that we should help prop up the NSW cup is silly. I am a member of the Canberra Raiders and here is my priorities for the club.

1. Winning the NRL premiership.

2. ????

Everything the Raiders does should be concerned with winning the NRL premiership. It should be about them bettering the club as best they can. I could not care if the NSW cup folded tomorrow or NSW lost the next 10 state of origins if it meant the Raiders won a premiership. This nonsense that we should be propping up this dumb comp at our own detriment is outright laughable.

Why all the bleating about being punted from the junior competitons then?

Just accept to be part of the junior competitions you must participate in the NSW Cup. Not unreasonable at all.

The Raiders Club obviously is attempting to do what is in its own best interests. Why should the NSWRL not be able to act in the best interests of that organisation and members?

The Raiders had something like 18 months to find a solution. Remember this action has the support of other clubs so it is not just the NSWRL.

 

[Pete Cash]

I am not bleating I believe the Raiders should send their juniors through the Queensland system ?? hardly bleating.

 

[greeneyed]

Why all the bleating about being punted from the junior competitons then?

Just accept to be part of the junior competitions you must participate in the NSW Cup. Not unreasonable at all.

The Raiders Club obviously is attempting to do what is in its own best interests. Why should the NSWRL not be able to act in the best interests of that organisation and members?

The Raiders had something like 18 months to find a solution. Remember this action has the support of other clubs so it is not just the NSWRL.

Support of "other clubs" means "certain Sydney clubs".

The NSWRL doesn't require Sydney teams to do what they are demanding Canberra does. It is completely unreasonable...

Plus you'd have us believe that excluding 60 NSW juniors from a NSW competition is in the NSWRL's interests? That takes the cake! Even the NSWRL can't be that stupid.

And not only that, it is not in the interests of the code of rugby league.

I've seen dumb decisions before in rugby league, but this is surely the silliest. I'm expecting the NSWRL will at some stage come to its senses.

 

[El Diablo]

Melourne can do it

what makes you think the Raiders are special?

they can f**k off

 

[skeepe]

Melourne can do it

what makes you think the Raiders are special?

they can f**k off

Melbourne? Sending 4 players to Cronulla and the rest to Queensland aren't they?

The Raiders asked whether they could do the same and were refused permission, then Geoff Carr said on the radio that they actually could do it, then they were told in writing that no actually they couldn't.

The Raiders attempted to comply but could not find a suitable team to link with. The NSWRL could not either, tellingly.

 

[greeneyed]

The NSWRL have to realise that the Raiders are indeed special, as they provide a juniors pathway into NSW Origin qualification for 60 players every year. While no NSW Cup team is possible, just like some Sydney teams deem that they don't want to run a full NSW Cup team, the NSWRL will realise soon that excluding Canberra junior rep teams is cutting off their nose, just to spite their own face.

 

[BDGS]

Melbourne? Sending 4 players to Cronulla and the rest to Queensland aren't they?

The Raiders asked whether they could do the same and were refused permission, then Geoff Carr said on the radio that they actually could do it, then they were told in writing that no actually they couldn't.

The Raiders attempted to comply but could not find a suitable team to link with. The NSWRL could not either, tellingly.

Melbourne are also not covers by the NSWRL territory, Canberra are.

 

[R2Coupe]

Melbourne? Sending 4 players to Cronulla and the rest to Queensland aren't they?

The Raiders asked whether they could do the same and were refused permission, then Geoff Carr said on the radio that they actually could do it, then they were told in writing that no actually they couldn't.

The Raiders attempted to comply but could not find a suitable team to link with. The NSWRL could not either, tellingly.

That typifies the Raiders during this entire melodrama; don't take responsibillity for its own predicament and attempt to pass the monkey to other clubs and the NSWRL.

Time for the Raiders to adopt the Ronald Regan theory and put the wagons in a circle when there is trouble.

 

[greeneyed]

That would be because it is some Sydney clubs and the NSWRL driving this insanity.

 

[skeepe]

The Raiders have forwarded a letter of intent to the NSWRL indicating that they will find a way to field a team in the NSW Cup one way or the other in 2012.

Shane Richardson and Peter Mulholland, among others, are now the ones standing in the way of the Raiders entering teams into the junior competitions for no reason other than their own self-serving selfish agendas.

If I've understood the situation correctly, these selfish pricks are preventing the NSWRL board from even hearing the Raiders on the matter.

What a ridiculous organisation.

 

[R2Coupe]

So the organisation (NSWRL) is a ridiculous organisation because these selfish p_____ (Richardson and Mullholland), amongst others (> selfish p_____), are preventing the Board of the ridiculous organisation (NSWRL) from hearing the Raiders on the matter.

Despite this, the Raiders have forwarded a letter of intent to the ridiculous organisation (NSWRL) to find a way to field a team in the NSW Cup one way or another in 2012.

Oh, that is if you've understood the situation correctly.

I really can't imagine you haven't :}

 

[skeepe]

So the organisation (NSWRL) is a ridiculous organisation because these selfish p_____ (Richardson and Mullholland), amongst others (> selfish p_____), are preventing the Board of the ridiculous organisation (NSWRL) from hearing the Raiders on the matter.

Despite this, the Raiders have forwarded a letter of intent to the ridiculous organisation (NSWRL) to find a way to field a team in the NSW Cup one way or another in 2012.

Oh, that is if you've understood the situation correctly.

I really can't imagine you haven't :}

The selfish bastards are on a 3-man sub-committee that has prevented the Raiders from even being heard by the board, yes. They are doing that because they are trying to destroy the junior base the Raiders draw from, no other reason. They don't give a f**k about the health of the code in NSW, they only care about their own little patch of Sydney.

Perhaps you should do some more reading on the matter, you may find yourself enlightened.

By the way, how else other than ridiculous would you describe an organisation that bans a team, telling them in writing that their compromise is unacceptable, then goes public on the radio and states that actually that compromise would be perfectly acceptable, then in writing again two days later reiterates that no it actually won't be accepted. Then, when said team agrees to bow to the demands of the organisation, killing off a grassroots club in another part of the country in the process, that organisation still denies entry and refuses to even hear the team on the matter. This decision to refuse to hear the team is not made by the board, but a sub-committee consisting of competitors to the banned team. To compound it all, in the meantime another team's plans fall over, thereby making them also non-compliant with the criteria, but the organisation decides that it is perfectly acceptable for them to compete, completely contradicting the stance they are taking against the first team.

Ridiculous is being kind.

 

[Scarves]

There is obviously something very wrong with the NSW cup for clubs like Manly and Canberra to want to send their players 1000 km north for an interstate competition.

What are the benefits for these clubs to send their players to the Qld cup. I'd think it would cost a heap more than keeping them here representing a local team.

No one here has the full story, it's all speculation. What we do know is that these two clubs weren't the only clubs looking at playing their 2nd tier out of Qld. We also know that despite the extra travel arrangments and associated costs, these two clubs especially were still willing to send their 2nd tier to Qld instead of playing in the NSW cup.

Geoff Carr has never explained this or addressed these issues. Both clubs despite the ultimatums still have shown a desire to play out of Qld but are basically being cornered into playing in the NSW cup.

There must be something crook with the NSW cup.

When you look at the Qld Cup, you see representation right across Qld. The NSW cup appears to be Sydney only teams with one Central Coast team. It obvious something is unattractive about the NSW Cup to the point that no Newcastle or other regional teams aren't represented, lest Manly and Canberra want out. We should all be made aware of what the issues are as it appears serious.