NSW Clubs forced out of QLD Cup

[Raider_69]

canberra wanting to support both their local region and keep souths logan afloat in a thriving population are helps RL, it helps the QLD region, it helps the Riverina and it helps maintain the Raiders as a strong NRL side which keeps the people of the group 9 interested

killing off souths logan, which is what will eventuate with this decision does not help RL and id love El Diablo to explain how marginally improving the NSW cup helps RL more than keeping Souths Logan kicking. Marginally increasing the competitiveness of what will soon to be an irrevelent comp, is not even close to as helpful as ensuring the survival of a long standing proud club in the QLD, where the AFL is pushing hard.

Adam, It costs 500k minimum to run a PL side, it would cost the raiders about 3 grade to send 6-8 players a week to Souths logan. For 26 weeks, that is well under 100k to send excess players to Souths Logan. Its simple economics mate. We also contribute by helping pay their coaching staff and alike, who are not likely to be on any top dollar... tops we shell out 200k, instead of 500k to run a NSW cup side.

As you can see, its significantly cheaper for us this way, and it benifits both our club and RL

Killing off souths logan or cutting the legs out of our junior system, does not help RL in the slightest.

 

[El Diablo]

You can just as easily ask

is Canberra's stubborness hurting or helping Rugby League in this country?

hurting

 

[Raider_69]

it hurts NSWRL and their piss pot competition, which apparently all you give a sh*t about
we should just do away with canberra, melbourne, send the qld teams back to QLD cup, dump the warriors and bring back the bears, jets, university, glebe... just like old times eh... we'll have the greatest game in the world being played in a single state in a single country.
Glorious.

the short sightedness and stupidity of you is frankly astounding. Its become pretty clear you, like your mates at the NSWRL dont give a sh*t about RL in this country, all you care about is your precious sydney competition, and as such im wasting my time discussing such a matter that impacts the game outside NSW with the Sydney-centric nut huggers. Ill leave the others to waste their time arguing with those who dont wish to see this code become all it can be.

This decision will undoubtably be reversed once the IC is up and running, where either a national pl will be established or decisions that damange the game like this will be quickly laughed away.

I only hope SL can stay afloat until then. And that Goeff Carr is quickly punted for any form of administration in this game... maybe we'll let him fetch the IC's coffees or something

 

[El Diablo]

if the NSWRL has a piss pot competition then get your scum club out of all it's comps

 

[greeneyed]

We hae a feeder team in the NSW Cup. If we didn't I'd be asking the same question.

No you don't. You contribute to Newtown in the NSW Cup. The Sydney clubs want to be able to not put in a full team, like this, but demand Canberra do, given there is no team to partner with.

So my question is valid. If you Sydney teams demand Canberra put in a full team, will you do it?

No... I didn't think so.

So you Sydney teams demand that Canberra put itself at a financial disadvantage... and then the likes of the Roosters come pilfer our juniors as well, given you don't even put any effort into that either!

The Raiders presently do exactly what the Roosters do with second tier, only the Raiders have been partnering a Q Cup team. So what's the difference?

What is so special about NSW Cup that is essential to NSW rugby league? Nothing. The players that are there either are terminal tier two players, or they are temporarily there while they get a year or two's experience for NRL. The players are still eligible for either NSW or Queensland... doesn't matter which second tier comp they play in, their eligibility is already decided. A pathway? A pathway to what? Nothing! Their eligibility for each State is already decided in juniors.

 

[greeneyed]

if the NSWRL has a piss pot competition then get your scum club out of all it's comps

We should axe the piss poor NSWRL entirely and get some people in place who can organise a second tier competition that promotes rugby league for the code as a whole.

The Independent Commission should have swept these parochial Sydneycentric people aside from any contol of the game, as they have now proven they are not acting in the interests of the code as a whole, rather, they are damaging it.

 

[El Diablo]

just leave it and go to the QRL if it's so great

 

[greeneyed]

I wish the Raiders had left the NSWRL, as the behaviour of Geoff Carr, Shane Richardson etc in this has been a disgrace to rugby league. The incompetence of the NSWRL through it all was a sight to behold as well, they didn't know what their position was half the time.

 

[Seagullsrock]

The NSW Cup has 11 NRL clubs feeding it compared to the Q Cup's 3.

Well the general consensus is the Qld Cup is a stronger competition and a better launchpad for juniors into the NRL. They probably are fairly similar standards though. But you raise exactly the point which Carr or the NSWRL doesn't seem to understand. The NSW Cup already has far more feeder arrangements with the NRL and the comp is highly criticised so how is forcing another 1/2 teams to play in it going to make any difference?

 

[skeepe]

hurting

How?

 

[BDGS]

Around and around in circles this discussion is going.

 

[R2Coupe]

I wish the Raiders had left the NSWRL, as the behaviour of Geoff Carr, Shane Richardson etc in this has been a disgrace to rugby league. The incompetence of the NSWRL through it all was a sight to behold as well, they didn't know what their position was half the time.

The fallacy the QLD Cup is stronger is not a reason why the Raiders have played in the comp. At least be honest Raiders' groupies.

Attempt to deflect the blame but Raiders' management have a lot of explaining to do to it supporters.

And again, the decision was take by Clubs and the NSWRL.

 

[Deadly]

Well the general consensus is the Qld Cup is a stronger competition and a better launchpad for juniors into the NRL. They probably are fairly similar standards though. But you raise exactly the point which Carr or the NSWRL doesn't seem to understand. The NSW Cup already has far more feeder arrangements with the NRL and the comp is highly criticised so how is forcing another 1/2 teams to play in it going to make any difference?

That 'general consensus' by and large is from people that barely watch either competition.

Canberra and Manly's actions certainly haven't helped people's perception of the NSW Cup which is a shame considering they were both primarily motivated by factors that have nothing to do with the quality of the competition.

Forcing both their hands sends a signal to any other NSW based club contemplating the soft option of sending players to the Q Cup, that its is a no go, especially if at the same time they want the benefits of competing in the best Junior Rep competitions of any sport in this country.

The NSWRL and its member clubs are only trying to do what's best for 2nd tier Rugby League in NSW. The QRL and its clubs would not hesitate to do the same if the situation was reversed.

Ideally Canberra will compete in this year's Harold Matts & SG Ball and also be back in the NSW Cup in one form or another in 2012.

 

[adamkungl]

Ideally Canberra will compete in this year's Harold Matts & SG Ball and also be back in the NSW Cup in one form or another in 2012.

Yep. Let their juniors compete, give them the next year to sort something out in regards to the NSW Cup.

 

[Seagullsrock]

That 'general consensus' by and large is from people that barely watch either competition.

Canberra and Manly's actions certainly haven't helped people's perception of the NSW Cup which is a shame considering they were both primarily motivated by factors that have nothing to do with the quality of the competition.

Forcing both their hands sends a signal to any other NSW based club contemplating the soft option of sending players to the Q Cup, that its is a no go, especially if at the same time they want the benefits of competing in the best Junior Rep competitions of any sport in this country.

The NSWRL and its member clubs are only trying to do what's best for 2nd tier Rugby League in NSW. The QRL and its clubs would not hesitate to do the same if the situation was reversed.

Ideally Canberra will compete in this year's Harold Matts & SG Ball and also be back in the NSW Cup in one form or another in 2012.

I've seen both comps and as I said, the stronger teams from each comp are probably fairly similar but I think there has always been a bigger gap between the strong and weak in the NSW Cup. The Qld Cup has also been more well regarded IMO as it allows the younger blokes to play with experienced, tougher men. By introducing the NYC, it hasn't allowed that same opportunity for the younger players as much.

 

[Deadly]

I've seen both comps and as I said, the stronger teams from each comp are probably fairly similar but I think there has always been a bigger gap between the strong and weak in the NSW Cup. The Qld Cup has also been more well regarded IMO as it allows the younger blokes to play with experienced, tougher men. By introducing the NYC, it hasn't allowed that same opportunity for the younger players as much.

If all NRL clubs elevated their best Under 20s to play in either the Q Cup or NSW Cup no one would be complaining about the state of 2nd tier RL.

Marry that with an 'NRL 2 Super Bowl' played as the curtain raiser to the GF between the winners of the Q & NSW Cups for say $100k prize money then methinks you have a really viable 'reserve grade' that saves NRL clubs some money and allows for all the existing Q & NSW Cup clubs (some of whom are foundation clubs of our great game) to thrive!

 

[BDGS]

If all NRL clubs elevated their best Under 20s to play in either the Q Cup or NSW Cup no one would be complaining about the state of 2nd tier RL.

Marry that with an 'NRL 2 Super Bowl' played as the curtain raiser to the GF between the winners of the Q & NSW Cups for say $100k prize money then methinks you have a really viable 'reserve grade' that saves NRL clubs some money and allows for all the existing Q & NSW Cup clubs (some of whom are foundation clubs of our great game) to thrive!

I agree with this, get lost NYC and give that TV deal to the National second tier comp that you described.

 

[siv]

There is only real solution to all of this

National Resreve Grade with the 16 NRL teams playing and no change to the NYC U20 setup

Then you merge what is the following leftover NSW Cup / Bundy Cup and the NSW Regional teams and you have a NSW based QLD Cup arrangement

In that situation you have a perfect way for Perth Reds, Adalaide and Darwin to join either the NSW or QLD Cups

With ALL clubs also fielding U18 and U16 teams in the NSWRL and QRL comps

Then the winner of the Qld cup can play the winner of the NSW Cup on GF day

 

[Deadly]

There is no longer the depth in playing talent to substantiate this many levels of football.

The re-introduction of an NRL based reserve grade on top of NYC would be the death of both the Q & NSW Cups.

 

[Seagullsrock]

There is only real solution to all of this

National Resreve Grade with the 16 NRL teams playing and no change to the NYC U20 setup

Then you merge what is the following leftover NSW Cup / Bundy Cup and the NSW Regional teams and you have a NSW based QLD Cup arrangement

In that situation you have a perfect way for Perth Reds, Adalaide and Darwin to join either the NSW or QLD Cups

With ALL clubs also fielding U18 and U16 teams in the NSWRL and QRL comps

Then the winner of the Qld cup can play the winner of the NSW Cup on GF day

Firstly, why? Secondly, what is wrong with the Qld Cup at the moment apart from our own administrators? Leave the Qld Cup alone. It's fine as it is. If you want to f**k around with competitions, stuff around with the NSW competitions.