NSW Cup restructure

[East Coast Tiger]

No it wouldn't. The qld cup is a vibrant, high quality, meaningful competition that gets good TV and media coverage and serves both traditional brl clubs and regional clubs. And it's getting better every year. Relegating it to a third tier comp will undo a lot of that just so a few hundred Sydney fans could watch three grades instead of two at NRL venues in Saturdays and Sundays and not at other times. And not only that, but it will cost the game tens of millions of dollars that would be better spent basically anywhere else. Frankly, burning that money to warm greenturds office would be a less pointless and wasteful way of using it.

 

[alien]

You don't get it.

f**k the nswrl. Their comp is shit, we know. But destroying the far superior qld cup to manufacture a third comp that would still be inferior to the qld cup is simply the worst idea ever. It's so bad even the geniuss who run the NRL and the even bigger geniuss who run the clubs don't want it. That says it all. If the commission did decide to do this they need to be sacked immediately and banned from ever associating with rugby league again. Mind you, this should happen anyway.

A national reserve grade comp would be superior to Q Cup, it's all about the $ though.

No it wouldn't.

how exactly is the qld cup far superior to the nsw cup??? the qld cup have LESS nrl players in their comp, and now you think a national reserve grade comp wouldn't be a stronger comp than the qld cup. please! :lol:

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

A national reserve grade comp would be superior to Q Cup, it's all about the $ though.

If a State Championship was to make more money, then why is it a bad idea??

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

How do you feel about the National U20s verses FOGS Colts U20s that runs in QLD ?

National RG would just look the same in QLD ?

Can i ask how many of these FOG players move between their local team and the NRL within a given season??

Becasue i imagine all of the prodigy kids end up in an U20s team somewhere instead.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

how exactly is the qld cup far superior to the nsw cup??? the qld cup have LESS nrl players in their comp, and now you think a national reserve grade comp wouldn't be a stronger comp than the qld cup. please! :lol:

Because only a moron assumes "superior" equates solely to on-field standards.

But to humour such morons, the Northern Pride are the current "state" (f**kin NRL tards) champions.

 

[XXXX Cap]

how exactly is the qld cup far superior to the nsw cup??? the qld cup have LESS nrl players in their comp, and now you think a national reserve grade comp wouldn't be a stronger comp than the qld cup. please! :lol:

If they can't make an NRL team, they are not NRL players.

They are second level standard, many of the NRL contracted blokes playing Queensland Cup are no better than players signed directly to the Q Cup clubs so I don't see the relevance of your argument.

A contract doesn't make a player NRL standard automatically.

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

The Ipswich jets had a total of 16 games of NRL experience, Townsville had 600 games of NRL experience and Ipswich smashed them.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

And PNG beat them both a total of four times this year and they have ZERO NRL games experience.

 

[lturner]

I think the running costs of a national reserve grade would be similar to QLD and NSW cups (similar cost per team). But the big difference is that a reserve grade comp would bring in very little revenue, while a stand alone club comp like the QLD Cup actually covers a fair proportion of costs through sponsorship, leagues club support, ticket revenue etc.

 

[lturner]

6 sydney clubs- Norths, wests, newtown, wenty plus 2 more
Newcastle rebels
Central coast centurions or wyong
Illawarra steelers
Western rams- bathurst
Bidgee bulls- wagga
Greater northern tigers- tamworth
East coast dolphins- coffs
Auckland- mt smart
Fiji

Then with toowoomba making noises about the q cup we could have w 15 team leagues creating a national second division with the state championship on GF day. Perfect.

Mostly agree. I would have:

1 Newtown
2 North Sydney
3 Balmain
4 Western Suburbs
5 Wentworthville
6 Mt Pritchard
7 Illawarra Steelers
8 Central Coast or Wyong
9 Wagga Wagga
10 Coffs Harbour
11 Newcastle
12 Wellington
13 Canterbury (NZ)
14 Fiji

 

[magpie4ever]

Mostly agree. I would have:

1 Newtown
2 North Sydney
3 Balmain
4 Western Suburbs
5 Wentworthville
6 Mt Pritchard
7 Illawarra Steelers
8 Central Coast or Wyong
9 Wagga Wagga
10 Coffs Harbour
11 Newcastle
12 Wellington
13 Canterbury (NZ)
14 Fiji

That is not a bad line up but I would have St Marys or Windsor in for Balmain (who can't afford to run a A grade team in their district at the moment) and probably say, Albury for one of the Kiwi teams.

 

[CC_Roosters]

That is not a bad line up but I would have St Marys or Windsor in for Balmain (who can't afford to run a A grade team in their district at the moment) and probably say, Albury for one of the Kiwi teams.

Na two sides in the riverina would be overdoing it i think. The main aim should be to have representation from the major regions as in the q cup where you have sunnshine coast, central qld, mackay district etc....

But agreed balmain is a no go and old tigers fans should be happy the entity has kept its branding the nrl making a second tier tigers sides unmeccessary.

If they can make the NZRL better financially their main aim should be to strengthen the provincial championship to the point where they dont need sides in the nsw cup. That would be major progress for the game and is more medium to long term

Western nsw is a must!

 

[no name]

No it wouldn't. The qld cup is a vibrant, high quality, meaningful competition that gets good TV and media coverage and serves both traditional brl clubs and regional clubs. And it's getting better every year. Relegating it to a third tier comp will undo a lot of that just so a few hundred Sydney fans could watch three grades instead of two at NRL venues in Saturdays and Sundays and not at other times. And not only that, but it will cost the game tens of millions of dollars that would be better spent basically anywhere else. Frankly, burning that money to warm greenturds office would be a less pointless and wasteful way of using it.

Vibrant, meaningful, TV coverage? Those things don't make it better quality.

Having the best second tier players in the NRL systems would clearly make it a better quality competition.

Not that I think the Q Cup and NSW Cup is of a low quality, the NRG would combine the better players from both comps.

If a State Championship was to make more money, then why is it a bad idea??

The NRG? I think it's a good idea, but no one is willing to pay for it.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

PNG finished second in the q cup with NO first grade players. The idea that fringe first graders are automatically better than non-NRL contracted q cup players is nonsense. In fact the idea that NSW cup players are better than bush footy players is also bullshit because I know of many NSW Cup players who have left to play in the bush, not because they weren't good enough but because of money. So forget all this shit about having more fringe NRL players in a comp makes it better because if the NSW cup has more right now that's definitive proof if doesn't make for a better comp. The q cup shits all over the NSW cup in every way.

 

[siv]

There are lots of pros and cons depending on which way the 2nd Tier is setup

History has allowed the QLD Cup to survive when NRL clubs were created rathar than promoted

NSW Cup history is a diffrrent beast. It was always RG or Second Grade

And beside it was the Metro Cup or Second Division

But in both cases NSWRL and NSW Country RL treated NSW Cup as a Sydney based competition rather than a NSW wide comp

 

[East Coast Tiger]

It's not a NSW wide comp and it never will be. But that's no excuse for destroying the qld cup in favour of an expensive, uninteresting national (yeah right, the NRL isn't even national) comp that will centralise the game in Sydney even more.

 

[siv]

Nothing will happen to the QLD Cup if national RG gets put in place

Only change will be that Melbourne wont issue their token few players to Easts. They survived before when Melbourne had a NSW based CC and Cronulla relationship in the past

And they have all of their FOGS Colts U20s who will graduate to the top grade

I doubt sponsorships and TV rights would change. Just like they didnt when U20s went national

Lets remember that QLD NRL teams have already played in the ARL/SL/NRL RG competition and the QLD Cup survived

Brisbane 1988-1997
Crushers 1995-1997
Gold Coast 1988-1998
Nth Qld 1992-2001
Melbourne 2010

 

[East Coast Tiger]

You've got no idea.
If the comp becomes third tier there is every chance they wouldn't get the TV deal, revenue or crowds.
They'd lose ALL NRL contracted players.
The teams you listed did NOT field reserve grade sides in a national league in most of those years because there wasn't one. They fielded teams in NSW and qld cups, which just proved the point.
And the qld cup is stronger now than ever so just saying it will "survive" is a pretty piss weak alternative just so we can have a reserve grade comp that will break the bank and gain no growth and little interest for the sport. In fact such an idea is lunacy.

 

[siv]

NSWRL comps are the basis of all national comps

NRL is based upon the the 1994 NSWRL comp
NYC is based upon the NSWRL U20s comp

Will 11 teams based in NSW and the Warriors who play in the NSW Cup - National RG will evolve NSWRL Reserve Grade as well

What people are trying to create as the NSW Cup is actually a evolution of the NSWRL Second Division

Thats why I advocate no change to QLD Cup

Setup National RG for NRL clubs only

and keep NSW Cup but with some adjustments

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Advocate it all you like. Its an expensive waste of time and not even the morons who run the game are stupid enough to do it.

And who is trying to create anything with the NSW cup? Not the NRL. Not the existing clubs. Not even the nswrl. The NSW cup will be fundamentally the same in the future as it is now. A bunch of Sydney teams that either resemble NRL identities or not but are effectively reserve grade NRL teams. And the qld cup will go from strength to strength as the meaningful statewide league it is with a mixture of traditional brl clubs and sustainable regional sides that serve as feeders to NRL clubs but offer far more than that. It works. And if anyone wants to f**k with something as rare as a concept that works in RL they need an uppercut.