NSW Origin

[The_Frog]

Undoubtedly the who cares Origin series of all time. Worst series I have watched since 2010.

Freddy made a big boo boo. Easy in hindsight, but the problem was our backline being found out in game 1. We should have brought in Lomax (A specialist centre) and played Gutherson (Our best utility) off the bench. It bit us on the arse big time after Tedesco and Walker went down injured.

Certainly a utility was needed. I'm not sure Gutherson is one though. I've never seen him play in the forwards. OK I know May isn't Origin material yet but why wouldn't you pick a Mitch Aubusson?

 

[franklin2323]

Certainly a utility was needed. I'm not sure Gutherson is one though. I've never seen him play in the forwards. OK I know May isn't Origin material yet but why wouldn't you pick a Mitch Aubusson?

Harry Grant was playing lock. Freddy got the balance right when he had Walker in that role. Then stupidly moved away from it. Papenhuyzen was the one given what he did off the bench last once fit should of been there

 

[Fangs]

Certainly a utility was needed. I'm not sure Gutherson is one though. I've never seen him play in the forwards. OK I know May isn't Origin material yet but why wouldn't you pick a Mitch Aubusson?

Well he was the best in the squad at least. Comfortable with him 1 to 6.

 

[mxlegend99]

Capewell played well for qld as makeshift centre, ie out of position, so why didn,t ours?

He was up against a fullback who rarely ever had to make tackles... And he only played well game 1. Game 2 he was carved up .

Yeo was found out when asked to play out of position. But also came on into a team with their backs against the wall after having lost their best player and captain and was up against an Origin beast.

Considering how badly under the pump his team was Nathan managed to come up with some decent plays. But when 75% of the game is played trying to come off your own line there's not much a half can do. Anytime we managed to get QLD on their line with a good kick or forced an error Sutton had a penalty or 6 again ready to bail them out.

Also Cook had a shocker... But his job is also harder behind a badly beaten forward pack.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Capewell played well for qld as makeshift centre, ie out of position, so why didn,t ours?

Probably because the forwards lacked any go forward or punch......

 

[Smug Panther]

Yeo is a middle forward these days. He he no business playing at centre

 

[MugaB]

Certainly a utility was needed. I'm not sure Gutherson is one though. I've never seen him play in the forwards. OK I know May isn't Origin material yet but why wouldn't you pick a Mitch Aubusson?

Tyrone Peachey

 

[The_Frog]

Capewell played well for qld as makeshift centre, ie out of position, so why didn,t ours?

Yeo was like a fish out of water when he first came on, but did much better after half time. His kick should have taken the game into golden point.

 

[WestyLife]

Yeo was like a fish out of water when he first came on, but did much better after half time. His kick should have taken the game into golden point.

All class our captain. Shame Freddy can't coach.

 

[martielang]

Hindsight's a beautiful thing but I think if Origin is post season again, you need in form combinations.

9. Api 7. Cleary 6. Luai 3. Crichton 14. Cook, was probably the go.

9. Cook 7. Reynolds 6. Walker 3. Graham 14. Cleary, may have even been more effective than the series combos.

 

[Smug Panther]

Hindsight's a beautiful thing but I think if Origin is post season again, you need in form combinations.

9. Api 7. Cleary 6. Luai 3. Crichton 14. Cook, was probably the go.

9. Cook 7. Reynolds 6. Walker 3. Graham 14. Cleary, may have even been more effective than the series combos.

Game was simply lost in the forwards. Apart from Crichton they should all be stamped never to play again.

 

[John Hamblin]

Frizell should be the first to go!

 

[The_Frog]

Yeo is a middle forward these days. He he no business playing at centre

Absolutely, although he did well in the second half with ball in hand. He always looked in trouble in defence when the ball was spread to his side, which happened heaps. He's lucky Gagai was not at his best.

 

[Pomoz]

Franklin, your read on the game has me baffled. Qld made more metres, in fact about 34% more metres. They had 55% possession. Haas made 35m as a starting front rower, he was ably assisted by Frizzell with 48m as a starting back rower. Collins made 161m off the bench.

Our attack wasn't brilliant, but it was never going to be when you are owned by the Qld forwards and your best player in the spine is taken off. The fact he managed a try assist, a line break assist and a 40/20 is a good effort considering.

I'm no Cleary fan, but this one is nothing to do with him. The coach needs a good long look in the mirror. No centres at centre, picking out of form players (Frizzell) and playing the dally m player of the year out of position. Too smart for his own good.

 

[Pomoz]

Absolutely, although he did well in the second half with ball in hand. He always looked in trouble in defence when the ball was spread to his side, which happened heaps. He's lucky Gagai was not at his best.

All of that is true of course, but he did no worse than Gutherson or Wighton in that position. He made more metres than Wighton did, had a line break and only played 61 minutes.

The narrative should be why we didn't put actual centres at centre, rather than complaining why they weren't as good as we would like. NSW had the luxury of having the dally m centre of the year in their team but decided that they would rather play a fullback and a five eighth there. Meanwhile, the dally m player of the year, also in the NSW team, didn't get to play in their preferred position.

Too many head knocks for Freddy methinks.

 

[mxlegend99]

Yep not sure exactly what people expect from a bloke playing behind a pack that got smashed.

Why don't the same expectations apply to Cook or Walker? I think he played aswell as any half could in such a badly beaten team. Terrific signs for his development IMO.

In a dominant team he was given man of the match..in a heavily outclassed side he still created a few opportunities. Not all his decision making was perfect. But he has improved massively this season and after a heartbreaking grand final loss bounced back pretty well on his personal form.

I think NSW losing is a good thing for the Panthers. Nathan always blames himself and looks at the areas he should have been better in. This off-season I expect he will work harder and train harder go not experience this pain again.

His first season as our primary playmaker and he evolved a lot from when he was playing second fiddle to Maloney and Moylan.

 

[The_Frog]

picking out of form players (Frizzell)

Frizzell was the worst of them, but you can add Haas and Trebojevic as well. All three part of packs that were dominated all season and they carried it into Origin, as you'd expect. They all toiled manfully in defence to keep Queensland within reach, but had nothing left for attack.

 

[WestyLife]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...y/news-story/4a2c9a8b1579f1bc927fe4dbdd5b2815

Brad Fittler Medal is solace for disappointed Nathan Cleary

Nathan Cleary has ended a disappointing State of Origin series by winning the Brad Fittler medal as NSW’s best player.

Cleary, part of the Penrith side that lost the grand final, suffered yet more pain on Wednesday night as Queensland regained the Origin shield with a win at Suncorp Stadium.

He could at least take solace in winning the Blues’ most prestigious individual honour, which was voted on by the players.

He was presented with the award when the team flew back into Sydney on Wednesday night. Prop Daniel Saifiti won the True Blue Award, which is given to the player who displays the qualities on which the team is built.

James Tedesco has won the past two Brad Fittler medals, but his attempt to make it a hat-trick came to an end when he was forced off the field in the opening half of Wednesday night’s game after suffering a sickening head knock.

The Blues pushed hard for the win but ultimately came up short, their best hope in the dying minutes when winger Josh Addo-Carr was prevented from getting to his own kick by a professional foul from Queensland fullback Corey Allan.

Allan was sent to the sin-bin and some thought Addo-Carr should have been awarded a penalty try.

NRL head of football Graham Annesley on Thursday morning refused to be critical of the decision — Addo-Carr still had work to do and there were several Queenslanders in the vicinity.

“Where do you draw the line?” Annesley said. “There were three defenders in the vicinity. The rule says the video referee has to believe the try would have been scored. No one knows whether he would have scored or not.”

Annesley also clarified the end to the game, when NSW used a captain’s challenge after the clock had expired.

“It’s the first time we’ve had a Captain’s Challenge in such dramatic circumstances at the end of a game, but even in the case of a successful challenge, the only way the game could have been extended beyond the expiry of regular time is in a situation requiring the referee to award a penalty for a major breach of the rules,” Annesley said.

“In cases of a minor technical breach normally resulting in a scrum restart, the only way play could have proceeded would be if the players had already formed the scrum and the referee calls time-out before the clock reaches zero consistent with all other games during the season.”

 

[mxlegend99]

Frizzell was the worst of them, but you can add Haas and Trebojevic as well. All three part of packs that were dominated all season and they carried it into Origin, as you'd expect. They all toiled manfully in defence to keep Queensland within reach, but had nothing left for attack.

Jurbo thinks he's the halfback was more worried about trying to do Nathans job than take hit ups.

29 touches and he didn't even crack 100m gained.

Frizzell checked out months ago for Dragons. The pack was just terrible and I didnt rate it from before Game 1. I always saw them as being vulnerable along with Gutho at centre. Turns out Wighton was even worse... I only gave him BOTD at centre due to it working last year.

I dont think Crichton would have improved us defensively though so I am glad he wasn't picked. Gagai would have left him mentally scarred IMO.

 

[WestyLife]

Jurbo thinks he's the halfback was more worried about trying to do Nathans job than take hit ups.

29 touches and he didn't even crack 100m gained.

Frizzell checked out months ago for Dragons. The pack was just terrible and I didnt rate it from before Game 1. I always saw them as being vulnerable along with Gutho at centre. Turns out Wighton was even worse... I only gave him BOTD at centre due to it working last year.

I dont think Crichton would have improved us defensively though so I am glad he wasn't picked. Gagai would have left him mentally scarred IMO.

He was the guy I was most angry at as a player. Just completely stalled the middle and the halves suffered in attack.