News Once a dickhead.....

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

No, i don't really understand it either
Frankly I've never understood the free speech stuff.

There is not a lack of free speech in this country, people can pretty much say whatever the hell they like. You're not going to be killed, or targeted by the state, or imprisoned for anything you say. That's free speech.

What is not promised and what is not a right is judgment and consequence free speech. Which is typically what these sorts of people you and I are talking are actually asking for. The ability to say whatever nonsense they like without there being consequences or criticism for it

Toby Rudolph has free speech, he can tell the inappropriate joke. However there are consequences, in this case an extremely mild one in a reminder of his contractual obligation to not make public remarks which go against the ethos of the organisation that employees him. Which fits the crime of making mildly inappropriate comments/telling a mildly inappropriate joke.

There really isn't a lot going on here. I was staggered this morning to find this discussion spanning 2-3 pages of a thread

you have no idea what FREE SPEECH is if you spew that garbage.

Gee you are a very limited human being. You can't even understand what you are talking about isn't free speech.

 

[nick87]

you have no idea what FREE SPEECH is if you spew that garbage.

Gee you are a very limited human being. You can't even understand what you are talking about isn't free speech.

Either you're an alt account and somewhere you actually think this shtick is funny or interesting.
Or worse, you're not. And you're actually some QAnon wannabe, a triggered snowflake getting outraged about a bunch of absolute nonsense.

Either way, it's about as sad and limited of a human being as it gets.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Either you're an alt account and somewhere you actually think this shtick is funny or interesting.
Or worse, you're not. And you're actually some QAnon wannabe, a triggered snowflake getting outraged about a bunch of absolute nonsense.

Either way, it's about as sad and limited of a human being as it gets.

Perfectly said!

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/freedom-of-speech-versus-identity-politics_3701301.html

Much evidence suggests that freedom of speech may be banned in the coming years under the guise of regulating “hate speech.” Many on the left who demand and welcome this development do not foresee the broad consequences of their actions.


To understand the political and moral consequences of losing freedom of speech, we should examine its original purposes, of which there are three: political liberty, freedom of the mind, and the formation of republican habits of character. For Benjamin Franklin, these purposes were related:

“Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as public Liberty, without Freedom of Speech.”

Political liberty isn’t possible without freedom of speech. On the one hand, arguments about the common good and public policies must be presented to citizens if they are to rule themselves—and to do this, citizens must be free to discuss “the Propriety of Public Measures and political opinions,” as Franklin says. On the other hand, free speech is also a necessary tool for exposing and keeping in check “narrow thoughts and narrow men.”

 

[betcats]

Just curious, who are losing their minds over this? I mean, apart from those upset about Rudolf getting a warning from the NRL.

I remember when Mark Riddell, as part of his post match try celebration, jumping the fence and sitting in the seats to applaud himself. It's still laughed about some 20 years later. But I recall the NRL gave him a warning or notification of some sort. At the time I thought the NRL were being a bunch of spoilsports, taking themselves too seriously, surely Riddell meant no harm. But then I realised we really can't have players jumping the fence, so it will remain as a funny one-off.

Similar with Rudolf, except that it was more silly than funny. But like Riddell, he meant no harm. And he only got a tap on the shoulder because the NRL doesn't want players talking about drinking and rooting in front of a national audience.

Way to much sense my man.

 

[betcats]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/freedom-of-speech-versus-identity-politics_3701301.html

Much evidence suggests that freedom of speech may be banned in the coming years under the guise of regulating “hate speech.” Many on the left who demand and welcome this development do not foresee the broad consequences of their actions.


To understand the political and moral consequences of losing freedom of speech, we should examine its original purposes, of which there are three: political liberty, freedom of the mind, and the formation of republican habits of character. For Benjamin Franklin, these purposes were related:

“Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as public Liberty, without Freedom of Speech.”

Political liberty isn’t possible without freedom of speech. On the one hand, arguments about the common good and public policies must be presented to citizens if they are to rule themselves—and to do this, citizens must be free to discuss “the Propriety of Public Measures and political opinions,” as Franklin says. On the other hand, free speech is also a necessary tool for exposing and keeping in check “narrow thoughts and narrow men.”

f**k off with this political bullshit. We are talking about a footy player who cracked a joke.

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

Society has the issue, not just the game.

Otherwise it's just virtue signaling, which as mentioned is the snowflake thing to do in recent times with nothing else important on their plate.

Folks need to pay attention to what and how their kids are being taught in schools.

These leftist concepts are imbedded in the curriculum.

Once a generation or two has embraced these flawed concepts as principles, then the Western Society is lost

and China will just come in and take over which is what these communists on the left want.

they want to destroy our Western lifestyle.

 

[shear_joy9]

Folks need to pay attention to what and how their kids are being taught in schools.

These leftist concepts are imbedded in the curriculum.

Once a generation or two has embraced these flawed concepts as principles, then the Western Society is lost

and China will just come in and take over which is what these communists on the left want.

they want to destroy our Western lifestyle.

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

The identity politics haters will persecute anyone to destroy any thing that points to how disgusting they have become.

The true meaning of “freedom of speech” is obvious. Freedom to say what you want.
Hate speech crimes are another one-sided discrimination to suppress/censor/silence whites, men, christians, and conservatives with traditional values. The natives in Europe were second class citizens to foreign invaders (immigrants) who now have more rights and protections than them. The buffoons in Canberra and Washington DC. will do the same – putting everyone else over its own citizens and every colour over whites and creating fragmentation between men and women. That is their over riding goal.

Hate speech, identity politics, political correctness – all weapons to create more divisions and chaos to destabilize this nation, which will eventually lead to its collapse.

This will justify their actions to persecute us and put us to death, thinking they doing God a favor.

As it is written so shall it be.

 

[nick87]

"You're just a puppet, controlled by the Government! Do your own research and wake up, Sheeple" said the man who's research is exclusively poorly produced YouTube "documentary" by some conspiracy theorist, and regurgitates the insane and demonstrably false narratives spewed in said clip

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

The strength of our great country of Australia and what we fought two World Wars and our young generations spilt blood for was to uphold has been the peoples' desire to leave race , gender, religion, creed at the border and join as Australians. No one is better or worse than anyone else and everyone has the opportunity to express their opinion. For the country to remain great that ideal must be preserved. Every failed society in the history of man and woman divided their people.

United we stand, divided we fail, now more than ever

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I am so motivated to take up arms against the oppressor right now.

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

The term Identity Politics is so sleazy and riddled with immorality, it shouldn’t even be a topic for any article. Just ignore and starve of all attention.

There is no point in ever talking about it or giving its immoral people a voice as that’s akin of giving Satan a voice, God forbid.

Godspeed.

We must always be vigilant to attacks on our free speech and the annoying cancel culture is a danger to our liberties.

Yes, free speech is a necessary tool for exposing and keeping in check “narrow thoughts and narrow men” but free speech is not useful if people don’t hear it or read it.

The social media platforms are a powerful source of information but they are designed to feed us news that reinforces our biases. In addition to being vigilant to limits on our free speech, we should also be vigilant about the limits imposed on what information is fed to us by these platforms.

We should strive to leave our comfort zones and consider a variety of ideas and viewpoints, otherwise we run the risk of the “narrow thoughts” echoed by Ben Franklin.

 

[Perth Red]

Should we get rid of libel laws as well and just let everyone say whatever they like? Maybe get rid of trespass laws as well, after all freedom of movement is equally important isnt it? I know lets get rid of all criminal laws so everyone is totally free to do whatever they want with no consequence. You need to form a party, the 'anarchists rule the world' party might be a good name?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I like ice cream

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

Less Marxist indoctrination.
Parents: Look into what your children are learning in school.
If it’s “Social Justice” Ideology, “Critical Race Theory” and “Green Energy,” gather a group of like-minded parents to challenge the Curriculum.
If the principal, or even the School Board, tells you it cannot be changed, find another school, home school or move!
Many public schools now include this stuff in the Curriculum. It’s poison.
Public schools are teaching Australian children to hate their own country.


Facebook banning the news in Australia.
This is the perfect example, and the perfect time for an entire country to start the purge of Big Tech. There’s never been a greater time for a country to tell a Big Tech firm to pound sand. Facebook is a social media site that tried to become so much more. They need to be diminished and Australia now has the power to make that happen.
The Australian government and the Australian people need to kick FB to the curb and start using any, and every other site. Call Facebook’s bluff. Just like Twitter is suffering after playing God and kicking everyone off their site, and now Telegram and Gab are thriving, the same can happen to Face Book.

Zuckerburg is a total goon.

 

[Valheru]

Should we get rid of libel laws as well and just let everyone say whatever they like? Maybe get rid of trespass laws as well, after all freedom of movement is equally important isnt it? I know lets get rid of all criminal laws so everyone is totally free to do whatever they want with no consequence. You need to form a party, the 'anarchists rule the world' party might be a good name?

You don't mind a reduction to absurdity do you?

All of those things cause or have the potential to cause tangible damage to another human being whether it be physical, financial etc.

What Rudolph said has a slight chance of offending a small amount of people.

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

I’ve always been a staunch supporter of free speech and no censorship of thoughts, ideas and books. I want to know what someone is thinking. Then I decide whether I agree with them or not. Once you begin censoring, you don’t know what is going through someone’s head, and that’s how ugly thoughts become public policy. That’s how racism spreads. That’s how Hitler and Mussolini and Lenin were able to take over.

 

[hrundi99]

Less Marxist indoctrination.
Parents: Look into what your children are learning in school.

Zuckerburg is a total goon.

Just sod off you conspiracy theorist kook. If you really believe this crap you're copying and pasting you need serious help.

 

[Jim Rockford]

I think what Roy is trying to say is