Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part II

[Parra]

The Labor Party can barely effectively rig a pre-selection and the public service is run by public servants. If you can imagine the people who run your local council or Australia Post pulling off this sort of deft and complex political chicanery your a bit credulous.

It's all just a clusterf*** and that's how it's playing itself out.

What makes you think it is deft or complex. You state yourself that it is a clusterf**k. This is the biggest indicator that this has become a political football. In typical Gillard government fashion it is a complete clusterf**k. Everything these people touch or attempt turns to shit.

The other indicator is the relevant ministers announcing the report at a press conference as if they themselves had made some sort of breakthrough that we would all thank them for. Idiots.

And now we have the agency that failed to detect all this apparently party to sweetheart deals to players that in normal circumstance would be labelled cheats and be dealt with accordingly.

This is nowhere near deft or complex. It is shambolic.


Notice how all the blow-ins at the Sharks have an "Ex-Asada" title somewhere in their name.

 

[El Diablo]

Still have your tin foil hat? Gotta keep it on mate..

Too many damn crazies visit this site.. Everything always has to be a conspiracy.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-boss-dave-smith/story-e6frext9-1226593596042

 

[Parra]

This is the most concerning part of that article:




http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-boss-dave-smith/story-e6frext9-1226593596042



Honestly what are we becoming if we let this happen? Forcing people to talk , suspending without a full investigation ?

Standard public servant empire building. Use a complete failure to justify even more powers and budget. Also allows the politicians to claim they are 'getting tougher'.

 

[canberra_raiders2k2]

Yep. Get that tin foil hat out.

ASADA is going to allow doping charges dropped just because some fat merkin wants it dropped. If that was the case they wouldn't have mentions the afl and wouldn't have continued mentioning the afl.

Just because nothing has been mentioned about the afl recently, doesn't mean inquiries have finalized.

 

[myanonymoususername]

Funny how Rebecca Wilson suddenly gains credibility when she writes something that suits peoples' paranoia about "the world is out to get NRL".

 

[BDR]

So now we're all taking for gospel a Telecrap article full of "we understand" and "sources say"?

Read the quotes (probably the only factual part of the article) and you'll see this is likely another beat-up. Wait for official comment from the NRL, ASADA or the Sharks before you get your conspiracy hats on.

 

[Brutus]

Where is the Essendon investigation?

It's gone very quiet.

 

[BDR]

and you can bet that Gillard has seen to it that ASADA don't ask Essendon a thing

What a load of shite

 

[Parra]

I am more interested in Jason Clares statement that matches were fixed.

Where are the questions from the media about this?


Bigger issue than allegations of players taking some stuff two years ago, yet still passing ASADA's drug tests.

 

[canberra_raiders2k2]

Obviously you have never conducted an investigation.

You don't release info for the sake of releasing info. with the lack of details emerging about essendon may indicate that it's pending.

 

[Parra]

You don't release info for the sake of releasing info.

In this case this is exactly what happened.

 

[herbert henry1908]

So now we're all taking for gospel a Telecrap article full of "we understand" and "sources say"?

Read the quotes (probably the only factual part of the article) and you'll see this is likely another beat-up. Wait for official comment from the NRL, ASADA or the Sharks before you get your conspiracy hats on.

That's a fair point , but given the AFL's history of collusion with the Victorian police to hush up allegations against players people have the right to be suspicious.

 

[Springbokfly]

get rid of the sharks
bring back the bears

+1

 

[BDR]

In this case this is exactly what happened.

ASADA haven't released any information at all.

 

[Parra]

ASADA haven't released any information at all.

I was talking about the press conference and specifically Jason Clare and Kate Lundy's comments. Lundy is the Minister responsible for ASADA.


Lundy has defended the lack of independence of ASADA recently

A STINGING assessment of Australia's recent record of exposing drug cheats in sport, from one of the nation's leading anti-doping experts, has been rebuked by the federal Sports Minister.
Dr Michael Ashenden, an expert in blood doping who has worked for the World Anti-Doping Agency, the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority and the International Cycling Union, said Australia had ''rested on its laurels'' since the Sydney Olympics.
Questioning the autonomy of ASADA - a suggestion Sport Minister Kate Lundy strongly rejected - Ashenden said the Australian government ''should be embarrassed about its track record on anti-doping''.
Describing ASADA, who he has worked for and advised, as a body with ''exciting potential'', Ashenden said ''for some reason things just haven't clicked and the results they've produced so far have been pretty modest''.
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''I think the Australian government has rested on its laurels since the Sydney Olympics ? an era when it was quite rightly regarded as a world leader in anti-doping.
''Since then, nothing startling has come from Australia. In fact nowadays we are out of step on important issues, such as the debate about zero tolerance toward past drug use by athletes and support staff. I think the Australian government should be embarrassed about its track record on anti-doping.
''Australia is an international laughing stock regarding how our favourite son Shane Warne was treated when he was found to have used a diuretic.
''In the last 13 years since our lab has been able to detect EPO, we have found just one Australian athlete who blood doped. Frankly that is ridiculous. It seems to me either we're a nation of angels, or we're not doing what it takes to catch the cheats.''
Ashenden regards the US Anti-Doping Agency as ''far and away'' the world's best.
''A crucial difference is that USADA are autonomous, whereas ASADA must ultimately answer to our minister for sport,'' he said.
''I worry that situation presents a conflict of interest, because public servants are obligated to serve their minister and the last thing a minister for sport wants is a doping scandal.''
Senator Lundy refuted Ashenden's claim about ASADA's autonomy, saying: ''These comments show a complete lack of regard for the legislative independence of ASADA and its testing and investigations of athletes.
''The most recent work by ASADA and the ACC [Australian Crime Commission] is proof that the Australian government is committed to deal with the serious issues confronting the integrity of Australian sport.
''As a government organisation, ASADA is arguably more accountable to taxpayers who invest significantly in Australian sport than a private organisation ever could be.''


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/spo...ndependence-20130222-2ex9a.html#ixzz2MzVSDQwg

 

[nrlnrl]

I am more interested in Jason Clares statement that matches were fixed.

Where are the questions from the media about this?


Bigger issue than allegations of players taking some stuff two years ago, yet still passing ASADA's drug tests.

remember how many failed drug test Lance Armstrong had.. ?

 

[Parra]

remember how many failed drug test Lance Armstrong had.. ?

What are you suggesting here?

Drug testing does not work?

NRL drug cheating is as sophisticated as that undertaken in cycling?

 

[Parra]

From an article from Kate Lundy:

"ASADA, who’s role is to protect the integrity of sport through doping, conducted more that 7,000 tests and initiated 28 anti-doping investigations in 2011-12. The Government knows as a result of yesterday’s announcement the number of investigations will increase substantially.
I have already acted to address this. During the week I introduced legislation to amend the ASADA’s legislation to increase ASADA’s investigative powers and double the funding for investigations."

http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/02/08/the-frustrations-of-facts-with-drugs-in-sport/


Increased power and funding. With ASADA that would mean 14,000 tests with f**k all results. Why bother?

 

[Sunshine Coast Tiger]

Funny how Rebecca Wilson suddenly gains credibility when she writes something that suits peoples' paranoia about "the world is out to get NRL".

She is a hack of the highest order that occasionaly gets something right ( maybe 1 time in 100).

In this case she has a point. The AFL are the masters of manipulation to get their own way ( they border on being the most corrupt organisation in Australia). They are soft on drugs ( they have followed other sports especially American sports in realising that the public want to see the star players play not being suspended for years). The 3 strike policy is amongst the softest stances on drugs anywhere in the world by a sporting body.

I just heard the former head of ADASA on the deadset legends Richard someone and he said atheletes are professionals and not knowing what they take is not an excuse. He also indicated that ASADA would not make a deal with the AFL. Lets hope that is true.

 

[Spot On]

What are you suggesting here?

Drug testing does not work?

NRL drug cheating is as sophisticated as that undertaken in cycling?

Can't stand the Lance Armstrong comparisons. Have a look at how many winners of the Tour de France have been stripped of their title over the past 15 years.

How many winners of the NRL comp have been stripped of their title due to elaborate team doping scandals involving EPO, blood transfussions etc.

Can anyone tell me exactly what the Sharks players have done wrong please. Just want the facts thanks.