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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part III

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Perth Red

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Well given jobe has admitted taking a banned substance and has not recanted that confession you would think there is at least one for the gallows.
 

Red Bear

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This is second hand/might've been written hear anyway, but it seems possible that this report has come from the AFL to ensure Essendon cant play finals, and thus wont cause the embarrassment that having a doping team winning would cause (although they arent supposed to be doping this year, but whatever). Asada/Wada will charge individuals at some point when the investigations from their side are complete.

That may not be the case, but makes some sense if it is.
 

seanoff

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Take that with a grain of salt. Caroline Wilson is the AFL's answer to Bourbon Beccy. They're probably related somehow

the hate AFL fans have for Caroline Wilson makes any hate in the NRL seem like high tea with the queen. poisonous, hateful, etc etc.

Bourbon Beccy is a saint compared to Caro.
 

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the hate AFL fans have for Caroline Wilson makes any hate in the NRL seem like high tea with the queen. poisonous, hateful, etc etc.

Bourbon Beccy is a saint compared to Caro.

Puh-lease afl fans are more than a little sensitive about their sport. Any article or commentary, that fails to declare everything and everyone associated with their sport as the greatest ever in the history of mankind elicits unparalleled amounts of grief and anger. Most sensitive fan base on the planet
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...xpects-a-fair-go/story-fnca0von-1226696609630

NRL reminds ASADA it expects a fair go

by: Stuart Honeysett
From: The Australian
August 14, 2013 12:00AM


NRL chief executive Dave Smith has reminded Australian Sports Anit-Doping Authority investigators he simply wants a "fair go" for his own code in the wake of the authority's investigation into the AFL, and particularly the Essendon club.

There is concern within the NRL that if AFL players are cleared by the ASADA investigation then the pressure will be on the anti-doping agency to collect scalps in its code.

Cronulla captain Paul Gallen recently beefed up his legal team over concerns he was the No 1 target for ASADA and he had his phone confiscated and had data downloaded by Customs officials when he recently returned from a team trip to Auckland.

Smith has campaigned strongly for the NRL to be treated equally, so much so that he raised concerns with then prime minister Julia Gillard in March over an alleged private deal for AFL players.

The NRL boss maintained yesterday that a fair go was important as ASADA continued its interviews with NRL players and officials, which are expected to be concluded by the end of the month.

"I think in life and society everyone deserves a fair go," Smith said at the launch yesterday of a partnership between the NRL and Touch Football Australia.

"It's really, really important. That's my point. Nobody is presumed guilty. What I've said through the interviews is pitch up, tell the truth and tell it well and it will land where it lands.

"I'm not going to prejudge anybody, I'm comfortable with where we're at, I know it's a complex investigation, I've known that all along. A fair go is important, but a fair go is part of being Australian, right?"

Smith was forced to intervene in the process earlier this season after ASADA cancelled its initial interviews with players when the first one broke down with Cronulla backrower Wade Graham over self-incrimination concerns.

The NRL has subsequently installed the head of its integrity unit, Nick Weeks, to sit in on the process and Smith said he was satisfied with how things were progressing.

"I'm not going to give a running commentary on the interviews but the fact of the matter is it's going according to plan," Smith said.

"I'm entirely comfortable with the way it's progressing and by the end of August we would have completed the interviews.

"We've made the same points all along. They're serious allegations, you've got to protect people's rights and nobody is guilty until that's proven, and we need it to go quickly. Those three things are the prime drivers for me and I'll keep pushing that."

Smith was joined at Allianz Stadium yesterday along with a host of NRL stars including Sonny Bill Williams, Anthony Minichiello, Josh Morris, Matt King and Beau Champion to announce a partnership with TFA. The new agreement will bring more than 1.03 million participants together playing in competitions under a joint NRL-TFA banner.

"This is a big whole-of-game statement," Smith said. "It's a natural fit for the two families to come together.
 

babyg

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I think they are just trying to get through the season without effecting crowds and tv. Come finals time everything will fall
 

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i'm confused as to why the coaching staff are being charged but the AFL seems to be saying the players did nothing wrong. i understand this isnt a final report, but if the AFL is believing the players have no case to answer for wrongdoing how do the coaches get in trouble (if no doping offences took place?)
 

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They didn't say no player has a case to answer. They said that no specific players have been named in relation to doping offences in this report. Which, if Roy Masters is to be believed, is because ASADA is not able to name any player until they provide all the evidence to the AFL to issue an infraction notice due to privacy laws.

So they can still go after the club and coaches because they know what they have done but can't name players yet.
 

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i'm confused as to why the coaching staff are being charged but the AFL seems to be saying the players did nothing wrong. i understand this isnt a final report, but if the AFL is believing the players have no case to answer for wrongdoing how do the coaches get in trouble (if no doping offences took place?)

AFL = sweep, sweep, nothing to see here folks, yes there was cheating but we'll charge a few with bringing the game into disrepute so it doesn't look as bad and we can still get our taxpayers funding

WADA will come down on them like a tonne of bricks if ASADA doesnt
 

Pierced Soul

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They didn't say no player has a case to answer. They said that no specific players have been named in relation to doping offences in this report. Which, if Roy Masters is to be believed, is because ASADA is not able to name any player until they provide all the evidence to the AFL to issue an infraction notice due to privacy laws.

So they can still go after the club and coaches because they know what they have done but can't name players yet.

ok, this makes more sense. its just that last night the impression i had gotten from hastily filed media reports was that the players were basically cleared




AFL = sweep, sweep, nothing to see here folks, yes there was cheating but we'll charge a few with bringing the game into disrepute so it doesn't look as bad and we can still get our taxpayers funding

this was my first thought. and by blaming the coaches you dont end up with the potential for the team to be expelled/suspended
 

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The AFL will have no say in it, if ASADA comes up with clear and strong evidence the players have doped then AFL will have to ban them. If ASADA fail to do so then AFL will not, no different from what will happen in the NRL. WADA will not stand by and let AFL do nothing if their is evidence.
 

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Tbh I think it would be shit for any player to be punished if its proven that they took a banned substance under the advice and policy of a club offical, be it a doctor or coaching staff. They are in a position of trust and an individual cant be expected to go against team policy

However, if a player went out on their own and willingly sourced and consumed a banned substance then they deserve everything they get
 

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It maybe shit but according to doping/ASADA/WADA rules the players should know what's going into their bodies
 

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Tbh I think it would be shit for any player to be punished if its proven that they took a banned substance under the advice and policy of a club offical, be it a doctor or coaching staff. They are in a position of trust and an individual cant be expected to go against team policy

However, if a player went out on their own and willingly sourced and consumed a banned substance then they deserve everything they get
Whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, the player has primary responsibility for what is put into their body.

Once you lower that standard, it is open slather excuses.
 
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