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Organised crime and ElephantJuice in sport investigation part IV

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El Diablo

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ASADA probably have nothing and that's why they're offering the deal

they then know that after the players accept it and admit guilt that WADA will appeal and they'll end up getting two years

they'd be best fighting the charges imo
 

NrlCoach

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You'd assume the "3 game ban" offers wouldn't just be a case of admitting guilt but rather admit guilt and give us all the dirty details. They've got nothing IMO. They'll start with players no longer at the club (i.e. players that probably have less reservations selling the club out).
ASADA has no plan B :lol: Plan A = fool the player in giving up them self and their team mate. Plan A only got Sanderp. Sanderp fell for ASADA discount trick and he didnt get it
 

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ASADA has no plan B :lol: Plan A = fool the player in giving up them self and their team mate. Plan A only got Sanderp. Sanderp fell for ASADA discount trick and he didnt get it

Yep. Hence why the "deals" (admission of guilt = 3 weeks suspension) sound too good to be true...because they are. They'll want evidence from the players that admit guilt then use it against them later to get a 2 year ban imposed on them anyway. They should fight it IMO. With how slow ASADA is most of them will be retired before they have enough evidence to place heavy bans on them...that's even if they can find anything which is unlikely IMO.

ASADA wouldn't be offering these ridiculous deals if they had anything. They're desperate.
 

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Cronulla seem to be being reasonable, Essendon trying every legal manoeuvre possible not to face their day of justice

Chalk and cheese. None of them would see that though

That is a completely stupid analysis. It is Essendon fighting this which is exposing ASADA which weakens their hand when they deal with Cronulla. If it was another AFL club that was as poor as Cronulla they'd have had no choice but to bend over and take it 18 months ago and everyone would have been accepting 2 year bans without testing any of the process in court.
 
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Have ASADA confirmed the deals being bandied about or are we taking the daily telegraphs word for it?

I cannot believe that WADA wouldn't challenge the deal allegedly being offered anyway.
 

El Diablo

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That is a completely stupid analysis. It is Essendon fighting this which is exposing ASADA which weakens their hand when they deal with Cronulla. If it was another AFL club that was as poor as Cronulla they'd have had no choice but to bend over and take it 18 months ago and everyone would have been accepting 2 year bans without testing any of the process in court.
you really are an idiot

the reason they are going to court has no relevance to Cronulla

they claim the ASADA investigation was illegal because they did it jointly with the AFL so want everything thrown out

ASDA did not do a joint investigation with the NRL. the NRL let ASADA go about their business as usual
 
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STORM.99/07

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Why isn`t dank facing any charges? I feel sorry for any player that had any dealings with this morally depleted worm. He has left a whole heap of mess in NRL and AFL yet he hasn`t had to face any investigation.
 

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Cronulla seem to be being reasonable, Essendon trying every legal manoeuvre possible not to face their day of justice

Chalk and cheese. None of them would see that though

I hate to say it but the deals should be the same no matter what the code is. The only difference is that Cronulla management don't seem to have engaged in systematic cheating.
 

2012....Sharks Year

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Do tell us about all of this 'money' you have coming out of the stadium mortgaged by a pizza dude ? :sarcasm:
Is it millions, 100's of millions or will there be nothing left as usual?

Lol's at Jubilee/anz/gong/scg/allianzboy. Have you paid the rent from last year yet? Also for a real belly laugh....make sure you have a look at the financials for the taj for 2013-2014 f/y.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ts-scandal-is-reputation-20140820-106e9o.html

Price of deal for players caught up in Cronulla Sharks' supplements scandal is reputation

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August 20, 2014 - 7:00PM

Andrew Webster
Chief Sports Writer, The Sydney Morning Herald

The reported offer on the table appears too good to be true: a backdated one-year ban, which means you miss precious little footy and some of the pre-season sandhills?

Where do I sign?

Of course, there’s always a hitch, and for Sharks players past and present it’s the admission they have doped. That they injected, ingested and rubbed on banned peptides allegedly meted out to them by sports scientist Stephen Dank. That all those public pleas and denials they had done nothing wrong were bullshit.

We’re drug cheats, let’s all move on. See you in November.

Could you live with that? Could you admit to taking a banned substance, when you don’t know if you’ve taken a banned substance? When it was your club who provided the substance in question?

Almost every player involved in this investigation has played the perfect game of poker.

Sandor Earl is the only one who blinked, and look where that got him: sucking down organic protein shakes in Phuket instead of playing football.

By virtue of his position at the club, his size and attitude on the field, Sharks captain Paul Gallen has had the most fingers pointed at him in the past 18 months.

He hasn’t blinked. He hasn’t run from the spotlight. Not afraid of a quid, he’s picked up more media gigs in the last year or so than Eddie McGuire. He’s good at them, and has become a strong voice in the game.

Whenever I’ve spoken to Gallen about the investigation, he’s never appeared like a player who's about to lose everything he’s worked for.

His interview on the Big Sports Breakfast on Wednesday morning, before he’d received a show-cause notice from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority, was telling.

“It’s your reputation,” he said. “It’s what I've built over the last 15-plus years in training full-time and getting to where I've got to in the game. That's tarnished now already, but if we do this we're going to be labelled a drug cheat, no matter what.”

Now, a 50 per cent discount is on the table. It falls under the World Anti-Doping Agency code that says there has been “no significant fault or negligence” on behalf of the player alleged to have taken the prohibited substance.

With all players being offered the deal, many statements provided to ASADA that some players had gone “off reservation” and seen Dank or his associate Darren Hibbert after the Sharks sacked Dank, have seemingly been ignored.

There is a provision under WADA rules that allows suspensions to be backdated. Surely other sports will watch this with interest – not least Essendon players, who have received show-cause notices but without the very tasty cream on top of a backdated ban.

It's staggering how fast ASADA can move when it wants.

Sharks players have been given two days to consider the deal. Having been tortured for 18 months by uncertainty due to a botched and politicised investigation, it shows how quickly chief executive Ben McDevitt wants this finished.

We can only hope there are larger scalps on the agenda for McDevitt, with no deals for a hasty conclusion on offer.
 

El Diablo

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There is a provision under WADA rules that allows suspensions to be backdated. Surely other sports will watch this with interest – not least Essendon players, who have received show-cause notices but without the very tasty cream on top of a backdated ban.

interesting

i wonder why not
 

elbusto

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That is a completely stupid analysis. It is Essendon fighting this which is exposing ASADA which weakens their hand when they deal with Cronulla. If it was another AFL club that was as poor as Cronulla they'd have had no choice but to bend over and take it 18 months ago and everyone would have been accepting 2 year bans without testing any of the process in court.

This is undoubtedly one of your most moronic efforts. And that is saying something!
 
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