organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

[Desert Qlder]

I take that to mean that not only the players get suspended but also essendon should get suspended as well not that the players should get off Scott free

Di Natale is making himself look foolish questioning the decision making process of experts in the field - WADA.

He should be specific in calling for an inquiry into the AFL 'tribunal' process that found them not guilty. Otherwise he is just coming off as another AFL apologist.

Getting to the bottom of the grubbery of the AFL is something we could all support.

 

[butchmcdick]

Di Natale is making himself look foolish questioning the decision making process of experts in the field - WADA.

He should be specific in calling for an inquiry into the AFL 'tribunal' process that found them not guilty. Otherwise he is just coming off as another AFL apologist.

Getting to the bottom of the grubbery of the AFL is something we could all support.

That is what he is asking

Why is it only the players getting penalised and not the club/code

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...l/news-story/f9bfb0784a911f0a3799a8aa8f5c2bb3

Scapegoats’

Greens leader Richard Di Natale, a former VFL footballer and doctor, said the players had been treated as “scapegoats” and urged an inquiry into Australia’s anti-doping regime.

“There are no winners out of today’s finding. While many of the perpetrators have moved on, 34 current and former Essendon players are now facing the consequences of a club-wide systematic practice, four years after it was uncovered,” Senator Di Natale said.

“This episode has revealed problems in Australia’s anti-doping framework. It has failed players, for whom clubs have a duty of care. It has failed fans, who want to know they’re seeing the best skills, not the best pharmacist. And it has failed all those who want to participate in what should be a really healthy, enjoyable, wholesome activity.

“The response by Australian authorities has been too slow, wasted enormous resources and achieved very little.”

 

[betcats]

It is harsh when your in a team culture and young and expected to tow the club line but they know the deal and its there to stop players blaming their coach everytime found guilty. I am surprised there are not better systems in place to protect players and clubs. Kids in Rl are being put on supplement programs from 14 years old, there needs to be a clear and transparent system in place to protect everyone. Simple solution would be a sign off sheet with what they are taking on it, signed by player and club at time of administration. That way neither can deny they knew what was happening.

Im not sure how accurate it is but I have read payers were getting in excess of 100 shots over a season, if that is true I do not believe any of those players didn't have some idea something suss was going on. Supplements don't get injected 100 times over 8 months, that should be a massive red flag for anyone. The fact the doctor isn't involved is another one.

Ive never been involved in any elite or rep level sport but I have known since my year 9 human movement class oN steroids that it is up to the individual athlete to control what goes into their body, I only needed to hear it once 12 years ago to stick with me so how pro athletes don't know it is beyond me.

 

[drago brelli]

As far as I'm aware, if they were to do this, they would have funding from government pulled as per legislative processes.



Difference between the two was the difference between 8 weeks and 12 months. Sharks were open from the start, Essendon and AFL tried to muddy the waters.

I think the Sharks should be commended with how they responded.

I recall Graham's respose to ASADA was, " I am not here to paint a f@#ken picture.

 

[Pete Cash]

I can understand where people are coming from questioning why the players are the ones copping the worst of it. I also understand that the only way drugs in sport can be handled is by holding the athletes responsible for what they put in their bodies.

That said I agree the club itself should be absolutely hammered. What went on with regards to testing on players is shocking. That type of shit should not go on and is specifically outlawed by wada code anyway. Essendon should also be banned from competing for one year basically.

 

[Desert Qlder]

That is what he is asking.

?This episode has revealed problems in Australia?s anti-doping framework. It has failed players, for whom clubs have a duty of care. It has failed fans, who want to know they?re seeing the best skills, not the best pharmacist. And it has failed all those who want to participate in what should be a really healthy, enjoyable, wholesome activity.

?The response by Australian authorities has been too slow, wasted enormous resources and achieved very little.?

No he isn't.

He is clearly taking issue with drug code compliance arrangements, as if they should fit with the requirements of one sport. It is all there in his quoted remarks.

Di Natale is a former handbag thrower and has a Victorian constituency.

 

[betcats]

^I agree the club should cop a worse penalty than the players.

Re the sharks, they came out looking a lot better than Essendon which is good for them( I was fairlycritical of how they handled it but they have shown me to be wrong) but I don't agree with Gallens(and others) attitude that they did nothing wrong. Gallen especially you can see his performance went to freakish levels around the time the injections were happening. With the speed of the game these days what 30yo can play 80 minutes in the front row in an origin game? It is just not normal.

 

[Perth Red]

You'd think with all the money Graham earns he could afford a better wardrobe of clothes!

Both clubs should have been hammered. They both systematically flaunted the lawas and did so knowingly. Cronulla's was to a lessor period of time and extent and Essendons punishment should be more severe because of that. This is a big win for WADA and a big smack in the face for the kangaroo court the AFL and ASADA agreed to that found no case to answer.

 

[Miller was a legend]

You'd think with all the money Graham earns he could afford a better wardrobe of clothes!

Both clubs should have been hammered. They both systematically flaunted the lawas and did so knowingly. Cronulla's was to a lessor period of time and extent and Essendons punishment should be more severe because of that. This is a big win for WADA and a big smack in the face for the kangaroo court the AFL and ASADA agreed to that found no case to answer.

You do realise the Cronulla club was fined by the NRL

 

[muzby]

I recall Graham's respose to ASADA was, " I am not here to paint a f@#ken picture.

but yet he still did, when they asked him which team he played for..

 

[Perth Red]

$600k? pretty lenient imo, not even the annual salary of a decent player. Mind you they probably couldn't have afforded anymore so I guess they made the fine fit the capacity to pay.

 

[DiegoNT]

Weren't the cronulla and essendon cases completely different.
I may be wrong but wasn't it accused at cronulla that a handful of players sought out a few members of staff to seek illegal supplements, that it took place over a month and that the staff members were moved on. When investigated cronulla players took their right to say 'no comment' and when the investigators finished their findings and recommended the punishment they took it and concluded the whole affair.
The essendon situation was different. They had an eleborate drug system put in place by their head coach, they hired staff specifically for their illegal drug practices, the entire team was put on the program and the program lasted over a season. When essendon were investigated the afl itself got involved, cover-ups took place, the afl made their own ruling on the case were it basically said 'the Afl finds that no afl players are guilty of drug offences, yet essendon are banned from the finals for 'reasons''. Whem the real investigators finished their findings and offered a punishment, essendon and the afl in their arrogance and belief in their own powers to cover things up turned down the offer, not wanting the bad pr of being found to be drug cheats, but that only caused wada to come after them hard.

 

[El Diablo]

$600k? pretty lenient imo, not even the annual salary of a decent player. Mind you they probably couldn't have afforded anymore so I guess they made the fine fit the capacity to pay.

how much did they fine Perth?

 

[MarkC]

The essendon situation was different. They had an eleborate drug system put in place by their head coach, they hired staff specifically for their illegal drug practices, the entire team was put on the program and the program lasted over a season. When essendon were investigated the afl itself got involved, cover-ups took place, the afl made their own ruling on the case were it basically said 'the Afl finds that no afl players are guilty of drug offences, yet essendon are banned from the finals for 'reasons''

This is close to the mark, the NRL and Sharks decided to cop their medicine cooperate and play ball with ASADA.

The AFL and Essendon, decided to not cooperate and effective sideline ASADA, that was a poor decision on many levels, I'm glad they finally got what they deserved.

I heard the ASADA bloke interviewed on the radio, he said they owed it to all clean athletes to pursue the matter.

I also heard on the radio that some suggested Australian elite sports drop out of the ASADA regime. That comes across as a missive dummy spit by whoever suggested it.

I personally would boycott viewing or making any contribution to elite sports that don't comply with ASADA.

It has been suggested that North American elite sports don't, on that basis I'll stop watching them.

 

[LESStar58]

The WADA Facebook page is good for a laugh right now! :lol:

 

[Perth Red]

how much did they fine Perth?

Random, even for you!

 

[El Diablo]

The WADA Facebook page is good for a laugh right now! :lol:

and twitter https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=@wada_ama &src=typd

 

[Perth Red]

Weren't the cronulla and essendon cases completely different.
I may be wrong but wasn't it accused at cronulla that a handful of players sought out a few members of staff to seek illegal supplements, that it took place over a month and that the staff members were moved on. When investigated cronulla players took their right to say 'no comment' and when the investigators finished their findings and recommended the punishment they took it and concluded the whole affair.
The essendon situation was different. They had an eleborate drug system put in place by their head coach, they hired staff specifically for their illegal drug practices, the entire team was put on the program and the program lasted over a season. When essendon were investigated the afl itself got involved, cover-ups took place, the afl made their own ruling on the case were it basically said 'the Afl finds that no afl players are guilty of drug offences, yet essendon are banned from the finals for 'reasons''. Whem the real investigators finished their findings and offered a punishment, essendon and the afl in their arrogance and belief in their own powers to cover things up turned down the offer, not wanting the bad pr of being found to be drug cheats, but that only caused wada to come after them hard.

The Sharks dr getting wind of it and shutting it down as soon as he learnt of it probably saved it being much longer and involving more players. If that's true about it being instigated by the Sharks players it makes it even worse from a player responsibility point of view than the bombers players who were doing what the Club told them to do.

If true, sharks players should have been hammered much harder and Essendon the club should have been hammered the hardest.

The tone in today's west is very much Essendon and players own fault and no sympathy. It's a two page front and back special cover and editorial etc. surprising for an afl state, thought they might have been a bit more sympathetic.

 

[El Diablo]

i hear Perth players are on the juice

kick them outta the comp!

 

[muzby]

i hear Perth players are on the juice

howe do you know?