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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

Perth Red

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But the Sharks weren't shifted to Perth so the punishment wasn't good enough for PR.
Death riding clubs is pretty shitty, i may hate the roosters and broncos but i wouldn't want their fans to go through what souths fans went through in 99, the type of guy that hopes another club fails is just a prick


I wouldn't want to foster the sharks on to anyone, least of all the good people of WA!

$600k punishment, a slap on the wrist for the players involved and a study holiday for the coach to France during which he got a three year contract extension. Pretty light if you ask me for a offence that was club instigated. The sponsors leaving and costs were consequence not punishment.

As a side the duration, and I suspect extent, of the drug administration was down to the good luck the club Dr found out and stepped up and the fine was light because Dave Smith was a far better operator than many gave him credit for and for once the Sharks did the right thing and took the soft hit.

for the record I'd feel the same if it was any club including my own.
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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I wouldn't want to foster the sharks on to anyone, least of all the good people of WA!

$600k punishment, a slap on the wrist for the players involved and a study holiday for the coach to France during which he got a three year contract extension. Pretty light if you ask me for a offence that was club instigated. The sponsors leaving and costs were consequence not punishment.

As a side the duration, and I suspect extent, of the drug administration was down to the good luck the club Dr found out and stepped up and the fine was light because Dave Smith was a far better operator than many gave him credit for and for once the Sharks did the right thing and took the soft hit.

for the record I'd feel the same if it was any club including my own.

Your own what?
 

Pig Champion

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I wouldn't want to foster the sharks on to anyone, least of all the good people of WA!

$600k punishment, a slap on the wrist for the players involved and a study holiday for the coach to France during which he got a three year contract extension. Pretty light if you ask me for a offence that was club instigated. The sponsors leaving and costs were consequence not punishment.

As a side the duration, and I suspect extent, of the drug administration was down to the good luck the club Dr found out and stepped up and the fine was light because Dave Smith was a far better operator than many gave him credit for and for once the Sharks did the right thing and took the soft hit.

for the record I'd feel the same if it was any club including my own.

Booooooring, boooooring, boooooring.
 

JamesRustle

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I wouldn't want to foster the sharks on to anyone, least of all the good people of WA!

$600k punishment, a slap on the wrist for the players involved and a study holiday for the coach to France during which he got a three year contract extension. Pretty light if you ask me for a offence that was club instigated. The sponsors leaving and costs were consequence not punishment.

As a side the duration, and I suspect extent, of the drug administration was down to the good luck the club Dr found out and stepped up and the fine was light because Dave Smith was a far better operator than many gave him credit for and for once the Sharks did the right thing and took the soft hit.

for the record I'd feel the same if it was any club including my own.

Link... to James Hird please.
 

madunit

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I wouldn't want to foster the sharks on to anyone, least of all the good people of WA!

$600k punishment, a slap on the wrist for the players involved and a study holiday for the coach to France during which he got a three year contract extension. Pretty light if you ask me for a offence that was club instigated. The sponsors leaving and costs were consequence not punishment.

As a side the duration, and I suspect extent, of the drug administration was down to the good luck the club Dr found out and stepped up and the fine was light because Dave Smith was a far better operator than many gave him credit for and for once the Sharks did the right thing and took the soft hit.

for the record I'd feel the same if it was any club including my own.

You keep bitching about the penalties handed to the Sharks as if it was the NRL or the Sharks themselves that determined the severity of the suspension.

The players admitted guilt, something that lives with them forever. In return they accepted a deal that ASADA created and handed down.

All over a scheme that lasted a few weeks and implicated only a few players.

By no means do I think they should have gotten off, but given the reputational damage that whole sordid affair had on everyone involved with the club, many of whom were completely innocent, then I think the financial hit from the scandal was quite a significant punnishment as well, especially for a club that was on it's knees financially already.

It's barely even comparable with the Essendon situation, any blind freddie can see that.

Given the backroom shenanigans the AFL and Essendon tried to concoct to weasel out of this mess and their blatant failure to admit guild, despite there being far more circumstantial evidence against them than there was against the few Sharks players, It is only fair and just that Essendon players cop a much more severe punnishment.

I have no issue whatsoever with the penalties handed down.

Bitching about it after the fact and trying to pin it on the NRL or the Sharks is just plain dumb.
 

2012....Sharks Year

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I wouldn't want to foster the sharks on to anyone, least of all the good people of WA!

$600k punishment, a slap on the wrist for the players involved and a study holiday for the coach to France during which he got a three year contract extension. Pretty light if you ask me for a offence that was club instigated. The sponsors leaving and costs were consequence not punishment.

As a side the duration, and I suspect extent, of the drug administration was down to the good luck the club Dr found out and stepped up and the fine was light because Dave Smith was a far better operator than many gave him credit for and for once the Sharks did the right thing and took the soft hit.

for the record I'd feel the same if it was any club including my own.
NewsFlash Red....YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUB!!
 

Card Shark

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You keep bitching about the penalties handed to the Sharks as if it was the NRL or the Sharks themselves that determined the severity of the suspension.

The players admitted guilt, something that lives with them forever. In return they accepted a deal that ASADA created and handed down.

All over a scheme that lasted a few weeks and implicated only a few players.

By no means do I think they should have gotten off, but given the reputational damage that whole sordid affair had on everyone involved with the club, many of whom were completely innocent, then I think the financial hit from the scandal was quite a significant punnishment as well, especially for a club that was on it's knees financially already.

It's barely even comparable with the Essendon situation, any blind freddie can see that.

Given the backroom shenanigans the AFL and Essendon tried to concoct to weasel out of this mess and their blatant failure to admit guild, despite there being far more circumstantial evidence against them than there was against the few Sharks players, It is only fair and just that Essendon players cop a much more severe punnishment.

I have no issue whatsoever with the penalties handed down.

Bitching about it after the fact and trying to pin it on the NRL or the Sharks is just plain dumb.

Well said Mad.

I think our club f**ked up big time & suffered for it, directly & indirectly.

I think the decision to not f**k off Dank once the Dr raised the alarm was very foolish & made it a lot worse than it needed to be.

We could have gotten off with a lighter sentence but we also could've got hit a lot harder.

If we copped the 12 month ban by the Bombers players, the Bombers would've copped the full 2 years.
 

butchmcdick

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ESSENDON players challenged the findings of a German laboratory and said tests which were carried out were insufficient to establish whether any of them had taken the banned substance TB-4.
The 48-page Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) report which detailed the panel’s findings also stated the AFL argued that players should be treated as unwitting victims of gross negligence.
In summing up some of the arguments put forward by lawyers for the players, the CAS report stated: “In so far as WADA’s case is based on the findings of the Cologne laboratory, it was insufficient to establish that any player...was injected with TB-4.”
The players maintain they did nothing wrong, with captain Jobe Watson describing the banning of 34 past and present Bombers players as “devastating”.
In another section of the CAS report which deals with legal arguments by the AFL, the document states: “If the panel finds that any player did use a prohibited substance, it was because he was the unwilling and unwitting victim of the gross negligence of others.”
Players Jobe Watson, Mark McVeigh, David Hille, Cory Dell’Olio, Scott Gumbleton, Brent Prismall and Ricky Dyson were all called before the panel at the CAS hearing to give evidence.
Essendon captain Jobe Watson described the bans as “devastating”. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
Essendon captain Jobe Watson described the bans as “devastating”. Picture: Wayne LudbeySource:News Corp Australia
In the report, key elements and submissions from players which led to the finding were detailed.
When asked about why he didn’t make a disclosure on doping control forms, Hille, who retired from the game in 2013, said: “You list the things that you feel you need to list...it was just something I didn’t think to list.’’
In reference to his receipt of more than one injection a week, Corey Dell’Olio, who was delisted by the club in 2014, couldn’t specify exactly how many times he’d been injected.
“One time... a couple of times ...a few times,’’ Dell’Olio was quoted as saying in the report.
Midfielder Ricky Dyson, who was also delisted in 2012, told the panel that the doping control form obliged him to refer only to supplements taken within “a period of one to two days”.
The CAS report also stated that forward Scott Gumbleton, who left the club for Fremantle but then quit footy at the end of 2014, conceded that he would have disclosed injections “had he been tested when in receipt of them’’.
It also pointed to comments from Brent Prismall, who now plays for Footscray in the VFL.
“I don’t recall who gave it to me, it was probably just sitting in a pile and I picked it up with the majority of the other blokes,’’ Prismall said, according to the report.
The report went on to state that though several of the players disputed they had been instructed to keep the program confidential, “(the players’) behaviour, keeping the club doctors out of the loop, and failing to record the injections on the doping control forms, clearly justifies such inference being drawn. This was, at its lowest, consistent with an appreciation of its controversial nature.’’

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/es...t/news-story/7e32ee3ee979b4c4b0269ed54b02693b

I just can't see how the wada came to a different decision
 

BuffaloRules

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Essendon can't tell the players what they injected them with though right ? ( unless now that everything has been decided, the records suddenly get "found" somewhere).

If the records are really lost, I suspect the 34 will all be getting serious hush money for many years to come..

Image conscious AFL will ensure that there is no legal action from the players.... these 34 will never have to work a day again in their lives...

Essendon CAS verdict: Welfare fund could discourage legal action by players


Essendon's potential multimillion-dollar payout to the disgruntled 34 players banned for a year could be mitigated if a welfare fund was established, a leading player agent has claimed.

Peter Jess, the manager of former Bomber Nathan Lovett-Murray, said the Bombers should help establish a welfare fund of $20 million, to be run by the AFL Players Association and the AFL.
He said former Essendon board directors who
were at the club when the illegal supplements program was run in 2012 would be willing to personally tip money into the fund, should the AFL agree to use the $2 million fine levied on the Bombers in 2013 as a down payment.

"I think there should at least be a $20 million fund and that would go along way to mitigating the legal action," Jess said on Wednesday.

Jess said he had discussed the issue with former AFL commissioner and ACTU secretary Bill Kelty, whom he said supported the idea.

"It would be administered by the Players Association and AFL, who understand player contracts and their finances," Jess said.
AFL Players Association chief Paul Marsh has already begun compensation discussions with the AFL and the Bombers, with a preference for settling "highly likely" law suits out of court.

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan said on Tuesday the league would do whatever it could to help the players through the darkest period of their lives.
Essendon captain Jobe Watson said on Wednesday the 34 players "were struggling to come to terms" with the decision and their legal team was exploring "any avenues available to us".

A major payout by Essendon – one agent has estimated this could top $30 million should all players be involved – would almost certainly require a rescue package from the AFL, which could also face its own court action for it is the ultimate employer of the players, and responsible for their health and safety.

Bombers chairman Lindsay Tanner said the club had insurance arrangements should legal action be lodged and it would not necessarily require AFL support.

Former coach James Hird is fighting in court to have his insurance company pay for the hefty legal bill for his failed Federal Court action.
If court action is instigated by the players soon, the Bombers would likely have to make preparations in their 2016 financial report for potential payouts.

While announcing a net loss of $1,336,354 for the 2015 financial year, the Bombers said in their annual report that "the company is in discussions with external and internal stakeholders in relation to claims or disputes arising in the course of business. At this point in time, the amount of liability, if any, cannot be reliably quantified."

The report also added that "such liabilities are estimated based on either objective evidence or where objective evidence is not available, management's best estimate".
An estimate for a potential payout in a case with the players would only become clear when papers were lodged.
However, what could hurt the players in the courtroom is that CAS found them wholly responsible for what they were administered, ignoring claims they weren't largely to blame for the peptides program run by Stephen Dank. The CAS panel also pointed out players maintained the secrecy of the program.
The drugs saga has already cost the club almost $5.5 million in legal fees over the past three years, which includes the $2 million fine.
In the 2015 annual report, club chief executive Xavier Campbell said the $1.3 million loss last year was "as the result of a number of unforeseen costs to the business [including] a combination of abnormal costs associated with the ASADA/WADA issue and the impact of a disappointing season on the field".
Revenue last year fell to $58.2 million from $60.9 million the previous year, while the club also had to pay an extra $200,000 to field additional players in the 2015 preseason.
Revenue could take another hit this year but the Bombers remain one of the strongest supported clubs in the AFL.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...by-players-20160113-gm4vnm.html#ixzz3x9quhy00
 
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Mickyd39

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compensation for what exactly?

that's what i was thinking.

Why should they be compensated?

So if this fund is set up what is to stop players in the future thinking "well i can dope up and if i get caught it's all good because i'll be entitled to some cash from the, I got caught cheating fund, happy days"


They have been caught cheating,take your punishment,end of story.
 
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