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organised crime and juice of the elephant pt V

Ring Gids

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I found it most interesting listening to the Big Sports Breakfast this morning & they interviewed Fox Footy's Julian DeStoop.

Said a small number of Essendon players actually didn't participate in the injection program, electing to not do it.

They obviously smelt a rat from the start, so why didn't others get cold feet & pull out. Surely they knew something was not right....

Zaharskis was one that kept getting named as an objector, but it was always said that it was because he didn't like needles. Whether he smelt a rat or not, it shows that the Bomber players have no one to blame but themselves as the club obviously didn't force them to do it.
 

Twizzle

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Zaharskis was one that kept getting named as an objector, but it was always said that it was because he didn't like needles. Whether he smelt a rat or not, it shows that the Bomber players have no one to blame but themselves as the club obviously didn't force them to do it.

why is it obvious ?

35 players,

I would think they were influenced by advice or similar pressure

its not as though it was a few random players
 

madunit

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His point is that no one was forced to do it, as one player used the feeble excuse "i don't like needles" and was able to avoid being involved in the scheme.
 

butchmcdick

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Former Essendon coach James Hird says the team chosen to run the Bomber's controversial supplements program led it down the path to ruin.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport on Tuesday upheld the World Anti-Doping Agency's appeal against the AFL tribunal decision to clear the players of taking the banned substance thymosin-beta 4 while Hird was coach, handing them a 12-month ban from the sport.

In a column published today in a News Limited newspaper, Hird revealed that fitness coach Dean Robinson and sports scientist Stephen Dank were not the club's first choices in 2011 to run what it thought would be a cutting edge supplements program.

He said the preferred candidate, working in the English Premier League, could not join Essendon until May 2012.

"Had we secured this preferred applicant then the experience of the Essendon Football Club and 34 young men would have been very different," he said.

Dank had assured the club the supplements were compliant. He had even presented supporting evidence
James Hird, Former Essendon coach
"Instead the sliding door we walked through introduced Essendon to the world's of Dean Robinson and, at Robinson's suggestion, Stephen Dank."

Hird said he was comfortable running a supplements program on the proviso the substances were AFL and ASADA approved, players would not be harmed and gave informed consent, and club doctor Bruce Reid gave final approval.

"The supplements program then, from my perspective, had sound logic, important goals, the people the club had engaged presented as credible and successful, the structure for the program was right and the protocol for decision-making and player welfare had integrity," he said.

Hird said he trusted the governance of the program and the people directly in charge of administering it.

Stephen Dank
PHOTO: James Hird said disgraced former sports scientist Stephen Dank did not follow club protocol. (AAP: Julian Smith)
"I concentrated on my task as head coach, satisfied that the supplement piece of the high-performance puzzle at Essendon was compliant," he said.

Hird said he first learned in 2012 of Dr Reid's concerns the protocol was not being followed.

"I re-emphasised the protocols that needed to be in place via email to Robinson. I was clear. Crystal clear," he said.

"Importantly, to our knowledge at that time, this was the scope of the problem, because Dank had assured the club the supplements were compliant.

"He had even presented supporting evidence."

Dank was later sacked, Robinson's role scaled back and the supplements program modified so that only Dr Reid could administer injections.

Hird 'eternally sorry'

Hird said he was "eternally sorry" to the 34 former and current Essendon players who will sit this season out as they serve a 12 month ban for injections administered as part of the supplements program.

"I promised the players I would create an environment in which they would become the very best footballers they could be and, in return, they would give their all," he said.

"This was our promise to each other."

The ABC will broadcast a live interview with James Hird on ABC News24 and News Radio on Sunday evening.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-...nts-sports-scientist-essendon-bombers/7090080

well this is one way to look at things
 

muzby

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dear mr hird:


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Eion

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Nope, but there's been a fair amount of repeated info in these countless pages so just rehashing that manly dodged not only a bullet, but a nuclear strike.
 

Pierced Soul

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What a load of wank.

Hird was up to his neck it it and he is trying to rewrite history now.

someone needs to tell hird its the victors who write history, not the coach who implemented a drug cheating program which has the effect of decimating his club for years to come. i'm waiting for the players to start the lawsuits :cool:
 

Perth Red

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Surely he should be suing Dank and Robinson if that is true? I wonder if he has these documents that laid claim to it all being above board?
 

Suitman

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Surely he should be suing Dank and Robinson if that is true? I wonder if he has these documents that laid claim to it all being above board?

Would those documents, and others, be the ones that mysteriously went missing when ASADA came calling?
It wouldn't surprise me if they resurfaced again at some stage.

Suity
 

Danish

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Would those documents, and others, be the ones that mysteriously went missing when ASADA came calling?
It wouldn't surprise me if they resurfaced again at some stage.

Suity


I suspect they'll magically reappear during private meetings with anyone who attempts to sue them by claiming "ignorance"
 

madunit

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at this stage, what the AFL, Essendon Club, Hird and the Essendon players all have in common is a lack of a scapegoat.

With Dank out of the picture, all parties are trying to dump this elsewhere instead of accepting the punnishment, but they only have each other to blame.

Watch for some barely heard of person, possibly never before mentioned in this whole scandal, to be brought forward and hung out to dry with all this shit on him.
 
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Will be interesting to see how this all comes to an end. A few days ago there was talk that it would be possible for Essendon to take this to some court in Switzerland for an appeal and I thought that would almost certainly be what happened.

Not so sure now...

I think the AFL are starting to realise that you can't play both sides of the argument with the public and get away with it forever. You can't claim that you are the victim in the media when you are doing everything in your power to get off the hook behind closed doors, at least not forever anyway.

You can only play those sort of tactics in the short run. You need the situation to blow over really quickly. That way no one looks at the details too closely. WADA and ASADA have now managed to drag this out to the point where all the gritty details have been bubbling to the surface for quite some time now. The more the average Joe learns about what is going on, the worse it looks for the AFL.

I think the big knobs at AFL house are starting to realise this and they will also know that the wider AFL watching public will be calling for someones blood in the very near future.

A lot of the public are starting to realise that the AFL tried to pull one over them and that they have made a complete mess of this situation by trying to wangle a way out of it instead of just admitting guilt and taking their medicine.

On top of this, any help the AFL gives Essendon will have a negative impact on all the other teams in the competition and the vast majority of fans won't stomach that either.

The AFL would be well served to cop this decision sweet now, abide by the WADA sanctions given to this group of players and perhaps even throw up a couple of scapegoats for the slaughter.

You can't really stage manage this situation anymore, it is already a complete clusterf**k. Regardless of what the AFL and Essendon think about how guilty they are, the court of public opinion is now siding with ASADA and WADA. Fans of the other AFL clubs just want the whole thing to be over. They see the damage that has happened to the game and they blame Essendon for doing it. Even Essendon fans are coming around to the fact that they deserve to be punished.

As a rugby league fan and an AFL hater, I hope the AFL find some way to appeal. Take it to the highest court in the world and spend all your money doing so. They will not win and in the process, they will continue to alienate a large number of fans.

When they lose again I hope they then choose to reject the WADA and ASADA code. That way, my tax dollars won't be funding that shit sport.

It is a national embarrassment and shouldn't even be in the top 10 sports in the country.
 

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