Origin 2013 NSW side

[Joker's Wild]

Gallen off the bench? lol no, for so many reasons I dont have the space to list

Furgo is starting to prove his attitude and maturity is where it needs to be. He is a Raider too so Loz will love him.

 

[Raider_69]

I honestly recon a bloke of his combination of size, speed and strength is what the blues need to be marking up on Inglis
Josh Morris did a nice job last year and if he gets the job based on that so be it, but if they give Fergo a chance, i think unlike Moz who is capable of holding his own against Inglis, Fergo has the talent and ability not to just hold his own, but take it too him and make QLD start scheming to stop him.

 

[tigertiger]

"Mitch is there because he's ready," Daley stressed of the playmaker with nine Origin games under his belt. "You look at the way his game has improved this season because he's actually doing less now in his role at the Roosters.
"And that's the way I want him to play for NSW. What he's doing at the Roosters ... he hasn't felt the weight of responsibility to do everything and that's what I want him to be like in Origin."

:crazy: Go d help us :crazy:

 

[big hit!]

re Hayne, he has been most threatening for NSW on the left wing. whether it's his combination with Pearce, Bird & Jennings, or his pure acceleration and ability to take advantage of the bird offload (jennings has done well from this too) from second phase play to dominate his opponent, well i'm still unsure. but it is undeniable that he is much more threatening in this role when all of bird, pearce & jennings play then he was at fullback. in fact, he was largely ineffective, as stewart is, at fullback because the QLD kick chase is so disciplined and strong.

game won't be won in the backs though. it's going to be won with the middle rotation. more than who is FB. more than who is the halves combo, daley needs to get this right. it is where QLD have eventually got on top in recent seasons. Stuart got it wrong with Gallen playing 80 mins as a prop and substituting Tamou with Creagh or Watmough. NSW need to be winning this area of the game between the 50-70 min mark. It's imperative that Tamou is on the field after a spell here and another prop who is going to be fresh, effective and break the line and keep the NSW advance rolling forward. It can't be Gallen. It can't be Merrin. It can't be Watmough. They can't all even be in the same squad - they are all middle backrowers now. Sure have Gallen on the field as the middle backrower, but two front line NSW props need to be in the mix and taking hit ups in every set at this stage. Gallen can't be hogging two hitups in every set during this period, just bouncing off players and running sideways and not getting the QLD props back peddling.

Get them going backwards in the middle, and it will allow the NSW outside weapons to take on the line on the hop just like Petero, Hannant, Shillo & Scott have allowed Cronk and Thurston to do at the 50-70 min stage in years past.

 

[Mr Angry]

The Morris bros were awesome in the All Stars, first time same side for years. Yes it took the QLD coach to do it. Not just defence, they attack well too and will trouble QLD. I do expect to see this.

This is not of concern, other positions are.

 

[Big_nick]

I would like to see how Sezer goes with a decent fullback. Probably is not origin ready yet, but a stint in city vs country next year will do him good

 

[timka4]

Sezer is good and plays with maturity but not ready for it.

Carney I thought showed again today and the doggies game why he will be 5/8 for NSW.

It'll be
6. Carney
7. Pearce
no question

 

[big hit!]

Gallen could be out depending on his knee concerns.

TBH, I reckon NSW would function better without him, a bit like Cronulla did today. Never wish anything bad on a player but could be a silver lining out of it for the Blues.


AH - Farah
P - Tamou
P - Grant
MF - Merrin
RF - Lewis
LF - Bird


IP - Woods
IP - TLL/Mason/Fifita/we need a 4th prop to farkin standup!
IF - Watmough
IF - Sims

 

[timka4]

That's because when Gallen tries to play a role in ball playing, he doesn't play as well, which is why he should be prop.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Brett Stewart is a washed up slow coach,that doofus has lost all his pace,Brett Stewart without pace is about as good as Vegemite pizza

 

[big hit!]

That's because when Gallen tries to play a role in ball playing, he doesn't play as well, which is why he should be prop.

isn't effective as a prop. he's undersized, hits the defence, bounces, runs sideways, doesn't bend the line.

he wants to play 80 mins. props don't play 80 mins. a prop isn't effective at bending the line as well as having to tackle the opposition props and watch for cronk inside ball to slater over 80 mins.

don't be fooled by hitups stats. it doesn't tell you how effective the runs are at getting the team rolling forward.

There's a reason why NSW don't get much utilisation out of their bench prop and forwards in recent years. They don't get much game time and Gallen is a ball hog. With him out of the team, we will see a more balanced and shared performance from NSW forwards.

Gallen plays prop, QLD win 8 in a row. Shit man, he's been the constant in the other 7.

 

[isaiah]

just from today's selections, you can see the selectors going for:

stewart
hayne
jennings
j.morris
b.morris
maloney if carney is out
pearce
gallen
lewis
bird
tamou
farah
mannah

bench-
k.gidley
watmough
a.woods
merrin


i'm not too scared, 8 blot coming up

only change could be gallen out, merrin starts, who onto the bench?
fifita, or two untried props on a bench too risky for laurie? how is TLL?

 

[coolumsharkie]

Fafita must be a chance after today

 

[timka4]

isn't effective as a prop. he's undersized, hits the defence, bounces, runs sideways, doesn't bend the line.

he wants to play 80 mins. props don't play 80 mins. a prop isn't effective at bending the line as well as having to tackle the opposition props and watch for cronk inside ball to slater over 80 mins.

don't be fooled by hitups stats. it doesn't tell you how effective the runs are at getting the team rolling forward.

There's a reason why NSW don't get much utilisation out of their bench prop and forwards in recent years. They don't get much game time and Gallen is a ball hog. With him out of the team, we will see a more balanced and shared performance from NSW forwards.

Gallen plays prop, QLD win 8 in a row. Shit man, he's been the constant in the other 7.

Gallen often does bend the line, not as much as some other props like Tamou and Scott, but his metres/hit up stats haven't lied the past couple of series, pretty sure he has made the most metres per run everygame bar one or two in the past two years.

I do agree though with your gripe with him hogging the ball, he doesn't need to take 18-22 hitups in origin.

Agreed with Fafita comment aswell, he is definitely putting his hand up this year.

 

[timka4]

After watching game 3 2012 again tonight, it was interesting too see in the last 20min of the game, NSW switch Hayne from right wing to right centre in attack, and J Morris from right centre to right wing. However they were switching back in defense to their original positions. Not a bad ploy to use again maybe, however this time for the full game.

Hayne made a good 30 m break, playing centre, which helped set up the kick for Farah to kick to J Morris' try (catch of Boyd's shoulder). Which is lucky cause I'm not sure Hayne would of had the speed to get to the kick like Morris did, as J. Morris was sitting on the wing

Am I crazy?

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Would have no problems with Fifita getting picked. He's like Tony Williams but with ticker.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

only change could be gallen out, merrin starts, who onto the bench?
fifita, or two untried props on a bench too risky for laurie? how is TLL?

Broken foot the last I heard so would be unlikely. Which is a pity because he was hitting career best form.

*edit* Cleared of a broken foot and it appears to be nerve damage. Having scans today.

 

[adamkungl]

Don't understand why there isn't a bigger push for Hayne to fullback, which back line seems more dangerous?

1. Stewart
2. Hayne
3. Jennings
4. Morris
5. Morris

Or

1. Hayne
2. Merritt
3. Jennings
4. Morris
5. Morris

:lol: First one by the length of Gasnier's chin.

Wouldn't complain if Ferguson makes the side, but you'd think Morris would get there as the incumbent. Wighton's a gun too but he's probably a couple of years off barring injury.

1. Stewart
2. Hayne
3. Jennings
4. Morris
5. Morris
6. Carney
7. Pearce

is my pick, with next in line if injuries occur being Uate in the back 3, Fergo in the centres, Maloney at 6 and Reynolds at 7

 

[adamkungl]

We don't need a utilty. It's only worth playing one when they are almost specialist at being a utility. Not because they have played a few different positions at club level. Just because we had someone like Craig Wing, doesn't mean we have to force someone else to be.
I could maybe see Josh Reynolds being like that in the future. But while we have Farah who is playing out of his skin right now, taking him off would be nothing but bad.

Agree with this logic, aside from the niggling worry if someone goes down injured.

But that raises the big question - is no one in the halves still better that Gidley?

 

[BennyV]

Agree with this logic, aside from the niggling worry if someone goes down injured.

But that raises the big question - is no one in the halves still better that Gidley?

I dont know if Daley has earmarked Gidley the way Stuart did - I know I've been mentally preparing myself for the disappointment of Gidley being named, but there is still a small chance that he wont get picked.

The main issue with having a utility that is an exclusive half/hooker (other than the fact that it will be Gidley) is that it's a waste of a forward spot; Stuarts thinking (and pressumably Daley's) is that a backrower like Watmough or Gallen can slot into prop...there's 4 bench positions that need to go to 2 props (specialist props like Woods or TLL, possibly Merrin at a stretch), Watmough and 1 other. IMO, this should be an impact player of the Tariq Sims or Tony Williams (2011 Model) variety, but if it's a utility player, it should be someone who can play in the backrow at the very least - thinking outside the box, people like Sutton, Uate, etc. Lewis and Bird can cover the halves in the case of an injury, but if one of them goes down, we'd be screwed anyway. Particularly if the fallback in Gidley.