OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Gronk]

^^^^^

 

[84 Baby]

Beyond reasonable doubt with no body ? Unlikley.

What would I know ? They convicted Bruce Burrell for Kerry Whelan's murder without a body.

Check out the Parallel Dimension spooky thread.
It won’t be guilty. Ruling being made on everything else but to set up retrial if solid evidence found

 

[84 Baby]

WOW!

 

[84 Baby]

That was like us last week! 20 minutes after halftime tripping over ourselves but then in the final quarter, BANG BANG BANG. Dawson found guilty

 

[84 Baby]

Beyond reasonable doubt with no body ? Unlikley.

What would I know ? They convicted Bruce Burrell for Kerry Whelan's murder without a body.

“No body, no murder” is a fallacy.
Per the judge, Dawson’s been done in by himself. If he’d said nothing at all, he’d have looked way more guilty but there would have been zero evidence.
Edit - also Burrell cases had a lot more distinct timeline and other evidence used.

 

[Gronk]

“No body, no murder” is a fallacy.
Per the judge, Dawson’s been done in by himself. If he’d said nothing at all, he’d have looked way more guilty but there would have been zero evidence.

You think that f**king the baby sitter worked against him ?

 

[84 Baby]

You think that f**king the baby sitter worked against him ?

That was a piece to motive, as judge said, not damning in itself.
The thing that really worked against him was making shit up.

 

[Incorrect]

In other news I just walked past Tony Abbott in Martin Place. Merkin takes up 2 lanes when he swaggers his way down the street.

Speaking of f**kwits.

I remember seeing Abbott in the Fairfax Pyrmont office back when I worked there. He's a bigger unit than I thought he'd be.

 

[Gronk]

Broadcaster Erin Molan has been awarded $150,000 in damages after she had a partial victory in her defamation case against the Daily Mail Australia over an online story she alleged wrongly suggested she was an “arrogant woman of white privilege”.

In a decision on Tuesday, Federal Court Justice Robert Bromwich found a June 5, 2020, article by the Daily Mail did not call Molan a racist, as she had alleged, but did defame her in other ways. He said the Sky News host was entitled to a “substantial, but not excessive award of damages”.

In a small win for the Daily Mail, Bromwich found Molan “did engage in conduct that was likely to offend persons because of their race or ethnic origin” during a May 2020 broadcast of 2GB rugby league show The Continuous Call Team, which was the subject of the article. This served to reduce the damages payout.

Molan filed Federal Court defamation proceedings against the Daily Mail in 2020 over an article and two related tweets in June that year that reported remarks made by her during the 2GB broadcast, in which she referred to Pacific Islander NRL players by using the phrase “Hooka, Looka, Mooka, Hooka, Fooka”.

 

[Gronk]

Gorby died today.

 

[the phantom menace]

He seemed a goon 'un. Getting saluted with slices of pizza must come pretty close to a career highlight,

 

[Gary Gutful]

He seemed a goon 'un. Getting saluted with slices of pizza must come pretty close to a career highlight,

I've only had it happen to me a handful of times. Very satisfying.

 

[Gronk]

Remember when some drunk piloted his tub into the bank and disrupted global supply chains ?




Well derp 2.0 has just happened.

 

[Gronk]

 

[the phantom menace]

 

[Gary Gutful]

Quit your whinging Unions NSW.

 

[Gronk]

Quit your whinging Unions NSW.

Says the cohort who enjoy all or some of their 38hour week, 4 weeks leave, penalty rates, umpteen sick days, parental leave, holiday loading, unfair dismissal laws and OH&S.

 

[hindy111]

Says the cohort who enjoy all or some of their 38hour week, 4 weeks leave, penalty rates, umpteen sick days, parental leave, holiday loading, unfair dismissal laws and OH&S.

I've never been in the union cause I nearly always have been self employed.. I reckon personaly they where great to get us where we are now. But I feel like nowdays they are out of date. Atleast in some industries. And I do have friends that legit needed help and they basicaly gave them the ignore.


Here is a story of the unions when I worked on the Anzac Bridge. We needed to shut power to the site down for a day. Me and the other two sparkles where more then happy tomcome in on the monthly site/construction RDO and have the following Monday off. Get the job done so it didn't effect 50 other workers.
Then the union rep on site informed and we had to abort it. Why?
It meant 50 guys basicaly did next to nothing for the day we shut power down. No lifts, no lights etc. Government job. Basicaly 25k in wages flushed down drain. Shit like this is what makes unions counter productive and a pain in the arse.

 

[Gronk]

I've never been in the union cause I nearly always have been self employed.. I reckon personaly they where great to get us where we are now. But I feel like nowdays they are out of date. Atleast in some industries. And I do have friends that legit needed help and they basicaly gave them the ignore.


Here is a story of the unions when I worked on the Anzac Bridge. We needed to shut power to the site down for a day. Me and the other two sparkles where more then happy tomcome in on the monthly site/construction RDO and have the following Monday off. Get the job done so it didn't effect 50 other workers.
Then the union rep on site informed and we had to abort it. Why?
It meant 50 guys basicaly did next to nothing for the day we shut power down. No lifts, no lights etc. Government job. Basicaly 25k in wages flushed down drain. Shit like this is what makes unions counter productive and a pain in the arse.

No doubt that there are many stories that can frame the union movement as being an inconvenience to industry and sea anchor to productivity. However those anecdotes don’t really paint the real picture.

For every worksite brouhaha, there has been meaningful reforms in wage parity, workplace safety and worker entitlements. One side of politics has been waging a war against unions and since 1996 union “power” and deunionisation has been rampant. Laws introduced by Howards specifically unlocked compulsory union membership and that has lead to a decline in union numbers and coincidentally (?) stagnation of wage growth.

Ultra low wage growth isn’t accidental. It is the intended outcome of government policies

Employment Minister Mathias Cormann has let the cat out of the bag. The government has been trying to supress wages.

theconversation.com

Past it’s use by date ? Be careful what you wish for, as nobody can deny that the deunionisation of Australia has resulted not only in wage stagnation, but rising wage inequality and the casualisation of the workforce.

Indeed the convervative policy makers are pushing for the abolition of the minimum wage. I urge you to read this bullshit opinion piece and tell me if that’s the non-union Australia that you want to live in.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/lowpaid-work-provides-dignity-mps-urged-to-scrap-1949-minimum-wage-unions-slam-appalling-push/news-story/12f8a45237c9ae5b5a893c42748a0934

 

[hindy111]

No doubt that there are many stories that can frame the union movement as being an inconvenience to industry and sea anchor to productivity. However those anecdotes don’t really paint the real picture.

For every worksite brouhaha, there has been meaningful reforms in wage parity, workplace safety and worker entitlements. One side of politics has been waging a war against unions and since 1996 union “power” and deunionisation has been rampant. Laws introduced by Howards specifically unlocked compulsory union membership and that has lead to a decline in union numbers and coincidentally (?) stagnation of wage growth.

Ultra low wage growth isn’t accidental. It is the intended outcome of government policies

Employment Minister Mathias Cormann has let the cat out of the bag. The government has been trying to supress wages.

theconversation.com

Past it’s use by date ? Be careful what you wish for, as nobody can deny that the deunionisation of Australia has resulted not only in wage stagnation, but rising wage inequality and the casualisation of the workforce.

Indeed the convervative policy makers are pushing for the abolition of the minimum wage. I urge you to read this bullshit opinion piece and tell me if that’s the non-union Australia that you want to live in.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/lowpaid-work-provides-dignity-mps-urged-to-scrap-1949-minimum-wage-unions-slam-appalling-push/news-story/12f8a45237c9ae5b5a893c42748a0934

Was it though? Well I reckon it has a lot more to do with the internet. The whole world being connected. We aren't just competing against the guy next door anymore but with some kid in Bangladesh.
Individuals having the power to purchase direct from overseas. Companies being able to set up easily overseas. Who goes to travel agents anymore etc?

I'd also say the type of people we are using for immigration is helping keep wages down. They come from 3rd world. And accept low pay amd living standard as it's an upgrade to what had.

We can't just lift our wages and think of just Australia anymore. Lift them to high and all our products we export also get more expensive.

Anyhows I am not against the unions. I just don't think they are relevant in all fields anymore or atleast not as much.
I think they are important in factories,nurses etc. Not so much in trades.