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[Bandwagon]

Two terms, in particular – ‘carbon neutral’ and ‘net-zero carbon’ – are often used interchangeably but represent very different approaches to combatting climate change.

CARBON NEUTRAL​

Carbon neutrality means balancing greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by ‘offsetting’ – or removing from the atmosphere – an equivalent amount of carbon for the amount produced.

This can be achieved by buying ‘carbon credits’ – in essence, permission to emit carbon dioxide or other GHG in exchange for offsetting the effects of those emissions – and/or by supporting GHG-reduction initiatives such as renewable-energy projects.

However, a commitment to carbon neutrality does not require (or even necessarily imply) a commitment to reduce overall GHG emissions. A carbon-neutral business needs only to offset the GHG emissions it produces – even if those emissions are increasing.

NET-ZERO CARBON​

In contrast, a commitment to net-zero carbon means reducing greenhouse gas emissions with the goal of balancing the emissions produced and emissions removed from the earth’s atmosphere.

Take, as a simplified example, the case of air travel: if, in total, people within a given business take 10 flights per year, the organisation could achieve carbon neutrality for those 10 flights simply by buying enough carbon credits or by supporting renewable-energy projects to offset the emissions (or a combination of the two).

To achieve net-zero carbon, the company would need to reduce the number of flights per year as much as possible (to five, for instance) and also invest in projects that remove from the atmosphere the carbon dioxide produced by emissions from the other five flights.

Extrapolate a similar pattern across all the ways a business might produce emissions – such as heating its buildings or buying from suppliers who produce emissions – and the company achieves net-zero by:

• reducing its GHG emissions across all these activities as much as possible
• supporting/funding the removal of carbon dioxide produced by any emissions the business does produce.

Carbon neutral vs net-zero: What's the difference? (and why it matters)

www.herbertsmithfreehills.com

Yeah, what I said Rammy Gutful.

 

[Bandwagon]

Yep. Other forms of energy are rapidly catching up, but coal will continue to be an important part of the energy mix.

Also, decarbonising the economy will actually require more mining not less - particularly critical minerals/new economy minerals. I dont think everyone understands this and I predict it could be an issue that slows down the rate at which we ultimately decarbonise.

Whilst we still think about energy in terms of a centralised generation and distribution model I don't think we really can move on from coal powered generation in this country, least not any time soon, because that entire model is based around the fact that it's the easiest and cheapest way to use coal fired generation.

Of course inevitably the infrastructure we have will become redundant, and we'll have to do something about replacing it with something, but the market doesn't seem to be one least bit interested in that something being prolonging the life of coal fired power at all.

 

[Bandwagon]

Yeah, what I said Rammy Gutful.

Yeah, maybe that was a bit harsh.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yeah, maybe that was a bit harsh.

All good mate.

 

[strider]

When you say investment, I guess you are talking about the investment of time and the frequency of reporting ? Fair enough, because the new government is actually giving a f**k about it.

Albanese Government passes Climate Change Bill in the House of Representatives

The Albanese Government’s Climate Change Bill 2022 has passed the House of Representatives today. The Bill will enshrine into law an emissions reduction target of 43 per cent from 2005 levels by 2030 and net zero emissions by 2050. It has brought together business, industry, unions, farmers...

www.pm.gov.au

Well Nine publishing think they put a fair bit into it, but the people arent lapping it up. Described as the biggest disappointment. Said they think its important so will keep at it, but disappointed it doesnt do as well as expected.

Apparently sport is the big thing. Particularly AFL on The Age .... interesting cos i dont think SMH puts a bucketload into sport, but i dont look at theage as much

 

[hindy111]

Other fun fact, the streaming service Stan was going to be called .... Ned .... but some Tasmanian held the legal rights to the name Ned and wouldnt give em up.

Mik

 

[strider]

Mik

If only it was happening now, could have suggested it

 

[hindy111]

I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist. But I reckon its being pushed by these European countries so they can keep their economy strong. I mean really what do they have?
The likes of India and China are becoming very powerfull. In 50yrs both are going to be so much more dominant. What will the Nordic economies and very wealthy countries look like?

So for them it's kind of a game changers sort of thing. One may say it helps extend their life at the top of the tree.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I'm not saying climate change doesn't exist. But I reckon its being pushed by these European countries so they can keep their economy strong. I mean really what do they have?
The likes of India and China are becoming very powerfull. In 50yrs both are going to be so much more dominant. What will the Nordic economies and very wealthy countries look like?

So for them it's kind of a game changers sort of thing. One may say it helps extend their life at the top of the tree.

@TheRam likes this guy and so do I. And he's not on board with the climate stuff either. He has however cured his own heart disease so respect.

 

[strider]

I think humans are probably wrecking the world. There is probably a limit to how many people the world can support.

But it never sits well when merkins embark on propaganda campaigns to conn people to their way. Calling everything an emergency is just f**king stupid, but the dopes seem to lap it up and respond to it. Social media has sent us down a path of peer pressure and virtue signalling for anything and everything, and manipulative people are using it to get their way.

The WEF and the great reset is real - when almost every world leader recites the same phrases its obvious someone is pulling some strings behind them all .... its just a question of whether you think its a good or bad thing.

 

[hindy111]

I think humans are probably wrecking the world. There is probably a limit to how many people the world can support.

But it never sits well when merkins embark on propaganda campaigns to conn people to their way. Calling everything an emergency is just f**king stupid, but the dopes seem to lap it up and respond to it. Social media has sent us down a path of peer pressure and virtue signalling for anything and everything, and manipulative people are using it to get their way.

The WEF and the great reset is real - when almost every world leader recites the same phrases its obvious someone is pulling some strings behind them all .... its just a question of whether you think its a good or bad thing.

Have you ever considered that's our mission. What other purpose do we have? Just to keep going on and on and on and on and on? So more and more of us can experience what we have already experienced. Get bigger Tvs? Safer cars?
It is just a new set of eyes getting to see what we've seen.

What's the end goal here to want us to keep going forever?


Maybe us cooking up the planet will cause it too explode which may have some sort of chain reaction. Create a new universe.
Heck maybe we are all living sperms. And this is how long it takes. Heat planet up, it explodes and we impregnate this motherf**ker.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I think humans are probably wrecking the world. There is probably a limit to how many people the world can support.

But it never sits well when merkins embark on propaganda campaigns to conn people to their way. Calling everything an emergency is just f**king stupid, but the dopes seem to lap it up and respond to it. Social media has sent us down a path of peer pressure and virtue signalling for anything and everything, and manipulative people are using it to get their way.

The WEF and the great reset is real - when almost every world leader recites the same phrases its obvious someone is pulling some strings behind them all .... its just a question of whether you think its a good or bad thing.

The video I posted if it's the right one he believes that there is actually climate change due to humans but that it's beneficial as otherwise we'd be in a carbon drought. And on the wrecking the planet thing I believe we are in many ways but it is definitely not through eating meat. In fact I'm sure that it's the complete opposite. It's the monocropping to grow plants that kills whole ecosystems and trillions of animals. Cows are carbon neutral. But there's a huge profit in feeding people grains. And maybe it helps that it keeps them dumb and sick at the same time.
As for the WEF you must be off your head. It's a total coincidence that governments everywhere started saying we've got to Build Back Better all at the same time.

 

[Bandwagon]

The WEF and the great reset is real - when almost every world leader recites the same phrases its obvious someone is pulling some strings behind them all .... its just a question of whether you think its a good or bad thing.

As for the WEF you must be off your head. It's a total coincidence that governments everywhere started saying we've got to Build Back Better all at the same time.

Without going into whether or not these statements are true, if for a moment we accept that they are, then I reckon it'd be helpful to wrap a bit of historical context around it.

Was it a coincidence that the entire west embraced neoliberalism in the eighties, was it another iteration of the new world order, or was(is) it that those economic theories become the prevalent or dominant theories of the day because they were seen to solve problems and inefficiencies in our economic models we were using? Country by country across the west we adopted the same or similar practices and policies over time.

Without doubt you could claim this was some form of new world order, indeed an earlier version of "build back better" where the way economies across the globe worked was changed dramatically. But was it centrally driven as is the claim around the WEF and the latest "build back better"?

Certainly it has become more centralised as international organisations have gone balls deep into supporting neo liberalism as the dominant economic theory, but it didn't appear to begin that way as countries adopted policy direction over a decade or so having seen how it had worked elsewhere.

So what are we left with? Either the "elite" brought about those changes through a cabal of the new world order, meaning that the current "build back better" is merely the latest iteration of what has been going on for at least most of our lives, or Humans being Humans, and many leaders lacking much in the way of original thought or imagination simply herded around the same ideas.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Without going into whether or not these statements are true, if for a moment we accept that they are, then I reckon it'd be helpful to wrap a bit of historical context around it.

Was it a coincidence that the entire west embraced neoliberalism in the eighties, was it another iteration of the new world order, or was(is) it that those economic theories become the prevalent or dominant theories of the day because they were seen to solve problems and inefficiencies in our economic models we were using? Country by country across the west we adopted the same or similar practices and policies over time.

Without doubt you could claim this was some form of new world order, indeed an earlier version of "build back better" where the way economies across the globe worked was changed dramatically. But was it centrally driven as is the claim around the WEF and the latest "build back better"?

Certainly it has become more centralised as international organisations have gone balls deep into supporting neo liberalism as the dominant economic theory, but it didn't appear to begin that way as countries adopted policy direction over a decade or so having seen how it had worked elsewhere.

So what are we left with? Either the "elite" brought about those changes through a cabal of the new world order, meaning that the current "build back better" is merely the latest iteration of what has been going on for at least most of our lives, or Humans being Humans, and many leaders lacking much in the way of original thought or imagination simply herded around the same ideas.

If you're trying to suggest that Build Back Better is not centrally driven then I disagree. We have here a specific phrase often used within days or weeks of each other, and there is no question about where it comes from. And it's being said by many of the people who have gone through the WEF Young Global Leaders program. So maybe rather than question if BBB is centrally driven, I'd look at some of the things I'd previously assumed were not so.

 

[Incorrect]

Think I understand why climate change articles attract the least amount of traffic on the Nine Publishing sites....

 

[strider]

Think I understand why climate change articles attract the least amount of traffic on the Nine Publishing sites....

Ever tried reading the comments on articles? ... i have to occaissionally. They are mostly quite left leaning. I dont know if its the case that the more vocal (writing comments) are a niche group of readers???

 

[Bandwagon]

If you're trying to suggest that Build Back Better is not centrally driven then I disagree. We have here a specific phrase often used within days or weeks of each other, and there is no question about where it comes from. And it's being said by many of the people who have gone through the WEF Young Global Leaders program. So maybe rather than question if BBB is centrally driven, I'd look at some of the things I'd previously assumed were not so.

So a many people having gone through the same program at the same institution are apparently spouting the same ideas.

This is shocking.

Meanwhile "the great reset" appears to be gaining traction the world over with countries implementing these policy ideas, countries such as...er um, and oh. that one what's it called, never mind......

 

[Bandwagon]

Fact is build back better is a nice idea, but it'll require the failure of our current system to instigate any real change, and it's probably more likely to lean further into Laissez Faire than it is to adopt anything remotely focussed on creating more equity.

 

[Gronk]

I think humans are probably wrecking the world. There is probably a limit to how many people the world can support.

But it never sits well when merkins embark on propaganda campaigns to conn people to their way. Calling everything an emergency is just f**king stupid, but the dopes seem to lap it up and respond to it. Social media has sent us down a path of peer pressure and virtue signalling for anything and everything, and manipulative people are using it to get their way.

The WEF and the great reset is real - when almost every world leader recites the same phrases its obvious someone is pulling some strings behind them all .... its just a question of whether you think its a good or bad thing.

I think you’re buying into the deliberate misconstruing of an innocent slogan. Ironically you are claiming that people that don’t see it your way are being manipulated or conned into believing propaganda. Some could say the same about you.

It goes back to Prince (King) Charles saying "We have an incredible opportunity to create entirely new sustainable industries," the prince said. "The time to act is now."

Likewise the merkin Schwab said “The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future."

No more business as usual: in ‘The Great Reset’ business schools must lead the way

Business schools have vast and diverse expertise to contribute to rebuilding better in a post-pandemic world, but the problems it has laid bare require business schools to change too.

theconversation.com

The corporate world took the WEF statements about an opportunity to reset at face value. This is not in dispute whatsoever. Even small business have adapted and restructured because of the lessons learned and the opportunity that presented itself.

How to get your company strategy ready for the Great Reset

It is critical that businesses re-evaluate their digital transformation, skills and sustainability strategies in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.weforum.org

The great reset: key themes facing businesses | The Association of Corporate Treasurers

www.treasurers.org

However merkins took it on themselves to lay blame on what made them feel uncomfortable or caused them duress.

All of A sudden “…..baseless statements that the Great Reset is a strategic part of a grand conspiracy by the global elite, who somehow planned and managed the Covid-19 pandemic.

In this narrative, lockdown restrictions were introduced not to curb the spread of the virus, but to deliberately bring about economic collapse and a socialist world government, albeit run for the benefit of powerful capitalists.
The nebulousness of this conspiracy theory means it has found followers among anti-vaccine activists, anti-lockdown campaigners, new-age healers, and those on the far right and far left.”

What is the Great Reset - and how did it get hijacked by conspiracy theories?

A global Covid recovery plan by the World Economic Forum has inspired false rumours about the creation of a tyrannical world government.

www.bbc.com

 

[Twizzle]

I have zero interest in King Chuck or the monarchy.