OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[strider]

Ukraine are not members of Nato. Nato members (including non Nato AU) have supplied the Ukraine defence forces with assets SINCE they were invaded.

So you think none of this is to do with ukraine potentially becoming a nato member and then establishing a f**kload of "nato" military bases? ... and lets not be dumb enough to not realise nato largely equals the usa

 

[Avenger]

Even when you try and view a different perspective, you are warned twice before you proceed. Land of the free? What a f**king joke!

 

[Avenger]

So you think none of this is to do with ukraine potentially becoming a nato member and then establishing a f**kload of "nato" military bases? ... and lets not be dumb enough to not realise nato largely equals the usa

Click on that video or just search ‘Ukraine is burning’ on YouTube. This was predicted years before the ‘invasion.’

The Ukrainians have a significant Neo nazi element. The tragedy is that it’s a significant minority whilst the peasant majority from both sides suffer like in every war.

 

[strider]

Click on that video or just search ‘Ukraine is burning’ on YouTube. This was predicted years before the ‘invasion.’

The Ukrainians have a significant Neo nazi element. The tragedy is that it’s a significant minority whilst the peasant majority from both sides suffer like in every war.

Yup .... i dont need convincing ..... this isnt as simple as what we are being fed down here in sheep land

 

[Gronk]

So you think none of this is to do with ukraine potentially becoming a nato member and then establishing a f**kload of "nato" military bases? ... and lets not be dumb enough to not realise nato largely equals the usa

You're not making sense here. He was elected with a mandate to bringing Ukraine out of post soviet union era into a modern European country. In inclusion in nato is because why ? Nobody else but russia. Why did Finland etc also apply ?

 

[Bandwagon]

Heres a hypothetical ..... why do we take such large offense to China moving in on Pacific islands and PNG?.... they are putting money into those nations that can help them yeah? .... those nations should be able to take advantage of what works for them right now?

We think China is bad right? Concerned they might setup military bases, missiles and what not yeah? Yanks said they would take action if this shit happened.

Yet russia shouldnt have similar concerns about nato lobbing into their next door neighbour?

We aren't invading those islands as far as I can tell.

Why would you want to equate strategic foreign policy goals and decisions with actual war?

 

[Bandwagon]

^^^^^ context. If we were invaded by Indonesia and many of the opposition parties were pro Indonesia and several TV stations were pro Indonesia owned by billionaire personal friends of the Indonesian merkins , what would you expect our PM to do ? Put up with pro Indonesia propaganda spewing from the merkins because democracy or f**k them off ? Is it authoritarian or is it stern nationalism implemented whilst you are at war ?

It's both.

But anyway, there is no way you can equate what's happening in the Ukraine with any experience we might have, the Russians an the Yanks have been f**king around there for decades. The situation could simply not happen here in a similar manner.

 

[Chipmunk]

I think people forget that Russia/Ukraine/Belarus have historically been the same 'country' (Kieven Rus) of the same group of people (East Slavs) for more than 1000 years. Is it not essentially a civil war?

 

[Bandwagon]

Click on that video or just search ‘Ukraine is burning’ on YouTube. This was predicted years before the ‘invasion.’

The Ukrainians have a significant Neo nazi element. The tragedy is that it’s a significant minority whilst the peasant majority from both sides suffer like in every war.

You could argue though that every country has a Neo Nazi problem, the difference in the Ukraine is that they armed these merkins, but you have to ask why they would feel the need to do that?

 

[strider]

We aren't invading those islands as far as I can tell.

Why would you want to equate strategic foreign policy goals and decisions with actual war?

I dont think russia went in over night either ... this has been evolving over time

 

[strider]

You're not making sense here. He was elected with a mandate to bringing Ukraine out of post soviet union era into a modern European country. In inclusion in nato is because why ? Nobody else but russia. Why did Finland etc also apply ?

Who was elected? The current puppet zelensky?

There are lots of reasons euro countries want to be included in nato (and other groups like the EU) .... money is a large part. Getting tight with the yanks is still very advantageous in the yank dominated world.

 

[hindy111]

Because the Americans decide who the bad guys are. Haven’t you been watching the Rambo franchise ?

They took capitalism to a new level. All that's left is a population where 5% are rich then a fake middle class followed by a bunch of poor merkins with no healthcare.
I mean what's the difference between poor and middle class in America now? They have enough credit to borrow money off the rich before they eventually clock up debt and half will get fleeced.

When a boat is built poorly is gets holes. One won't make it sink or two but they are there. Slowly more appear and out of know where the boat sinks. America has people and a lot of them and they are all armed with guns. I wouldn't want to be rich and living there in about 20yrs time. More holes are emerging and the ship will begin to sink.

China are just taking pot shots with Russia. The whole thing is staged and not random in any way. They are purposely attacking the west's economy and taking down an empire.

 

[Bandwagon]

I dont think russia went in over night either ... this has been evolving over time

Yes, since before they invaded and annexed the Crimea.

But how does that make comparing an actual war to a situation where there is no war a thing?

 

[hindy111]

So you think none of this is to do with ukraine potentially becoming a nato member and then establishing a f**kload of "nato" military bases? ... and lets not be dumb enough to not realise nato largely equals the usa

I think Russia and China are bringing down an empire. It's a good time. Ukraine is a pawn in the game. Inflation is crippling everyone. But countries like the USA are the ones they want to bring down and they no they can't win using fire-power. I mean a bloody war with bombs? USA would destroy everyone in less then a week.

They'll just create unrest. Make the divide in their system get larger between rich and poor and let their own people fight amongst themself. 360 million people with big egos sold a lie and most armed with guns who have been getting screwed over by their own system based on a bunch of greedy merkins. What do people thinks going to happen here?
Enjoy the show. We will start to see fireworks

 

[hindy111]

You're not making sense here. He was elected with a mandate to bringing Ukraine out of post soviet union era into a modern European country. In inclusion in nato is because why ? Nobody else but russia. Why did Finland etc also apply ?

Well how many of these rich western nations fear China and Russia along with a growing amount of wealth in these other 3rd world nations? India is a good example of a nation starting to take a big piece of the pie.
It won't effect us in our lifetime but think in 50yrs. Does India or China or Russia still want to be where they are now? They've been f**ked and abused for years. End goal for them is to be using us like we use them to have a wealthy population and a high standard of living.
Pull you dick and dream all you like about equality. We have great lives here. We take for granted healthcare,clean water, warm beds and food. That's just basics for us. We also want new cars, holidays,big screen tvs, entertainment and eat out. These poor nations just want the essentials for their people and they are working towards it.
I mean why should they have to live like that and why should we get to live how we do? You think they are happy about it? f**k no. The end goal is to flip the coin. And we know it.
We'll do whatever we can to avoid it and if things get dirty so be it. We are not clean skins in the way the world operates. Far from it.

 

[strider]

Yes, since before they invaded and annexed the Crimea.

But how does that make comparing an actual war to a situation where there is no war a thing?

Im not trying to say it as a justification for a war ....i think they need to negotiate something rather than keep provoking and pouring in billions worth of weapons. Thats just making it worse.

 

[Bandwagon]

Im not trying to say it as a justification for a war ....i think they need to negotiate something rather than keep provoking and pouring in billions worth of weapons. Thats just making it worse.

Oh for sure a negotiated settlement is the go ( that's where it ends anyways eventually ) . But that'll take all parties coming t the table and willing to make concessions, and I don't see Ukraine as conceding territory taken by force as a concession that should be imposed upon them, and it doesn't appear Putin is willing to give that up.

So that leaves it where it is, until it gets to a stage where some merkins position is weak enough that they're willing to make concessions that they're not willing to make now.

I'd also make the point though that the provocation here is a two way street. Your post suggests it's all on the west ( well the US and NATO ) which is fanciful at best. The Russians invaded Ukraine, now they might attempt to justify that, but at the end of the day they went to war. There's no question about that.

 

[Gronk]

 

[the phantom menace]

Pull you[r] dick and dream all you like about equality. We have great lives here. We take for granted healthcare,clean water, warm beds and food. That's just basics for us. We also want new cars, holidays,big screen tvs, entertainment and eat out. These poor nations just want the essentials for their people and they are working towards it.
I mean why should they have to live like that and why should we get to live how we do? You think they are happy about it? f**k no. The end goal is to flip the coin. And we know it.
We'll do whatever we can to avoid it and if things get dirty so be it. We are not clean skins in the way the world operates. Far from it.

Fantastic phrasing... should be made into a t-shirt!

But agree with everything you've posted below - it's far from a capitalism/us good, them bad situation.

 

[Suitman]

Ukraine are playing the smart war with western intelligence and military power assistance. And so they f**king should.
Moscow is finally finding out that they are not the military superpower they thought they were. In fact, they are a f**king shambles with enforced conscripts fleeing, and getting pushed back easily in previously gained Ukraine territory. They can't even provide their conscripts with decent weapons or supplies. They've even asked the conscripts to provide their own winter clothing ffs.
This not such a good scenario.
It puts Putin into a situation he never thought he would be in. He thought he would win this war (it's not a military operation) in 3 days. It's now been 7 months.
Will he resort to tactical (lol) nukes? I f**king hope not.