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Gronk

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Shortest stint ever.

So who's up next ?
Their process is weird compared to ours. When we knife a leader a new one has got the gig by lunchtime. In the UK they campaign with tv ads etc and months later they have a new one. Even then they picked a dud. The other bloke with the messy hair Boris came across as Mr Bean 2.0.
 

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Their process is weird compared to ours. When we knife a leader a new one has got the gig by lunchtime. In the UK they campaign with tv ads etc and months later they have a new one. Even then they picked a dud. The other bloke with the messy hair Boris came across as Mr Bean 2.0.

Seems they've decided to change the process.

Shortest stint ever.

So who's up next ?

Boris is the front runner at the moment.

Yeah, it's funny as f**k.
 

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I talked to a guy who works for railway. Friend of friend.
His spin was Government keeps f**king then over. They organise meetings, nobody shows up. They won't back pay them and little things like this. Of course this is his view. But it all just seems about money and wanting a pay rise. He didn't mention much about trains being unsafe. Seemed a bit clueless to it all.
 

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Paywalled, so I don’t know what the trigger revolt thing is. Also The seat of Parramatta is already held by the libs, so I don’t know what’s going on there. Maybe the current guy is retiring? Or is the revolt thing a preselection tussle?

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Paywalled, so I don’t know what the trigger revolt thing is. Also The seat of Parramatta is already held by the libs, so I don’t know what’s going on there. Maybe the current guy is retiring? Or is the revolt thing a preselection tussle?

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Current LNP guy (Geoff Lee) is one of 9 NSW LNP MPs deserting the sinking ship... so they need a replacement candidate for Parramatta.


Libs tried a female candidate with some apparent Eels links for the federal seat in the area, but got smashed.

Didn't know Tim Mannah was a slimy Liberal - but I can't see his previous Eels links being much of a vote-winner to save a seat for an old and tired LNP government on it's way out?
 

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Current LNP guy (Geoff Lee) is one of 9 NSW LNP MPs deserting the sinking ship... so they need a replacement candidate for Parramatta.


Libs tried a female candidate with some apparent Eels links for the federal seat in the area, but got smashed.

Didn't know Tim Mannah was a slimy Liberal - but I can't see his previous Eels links being much of a vote-winner to save a seat for an old and tired LNP government on it's way out?
I wish him well and if he wins preselection and then a seat, best of British luck. The bear pit of state politics is not as savage as it is in the Federal sphere, so he won’t be as exposed.

I guess my angle here is that I reckon there are two types of politicians these days. One who is parachuted into a gig with expectation of doing what you are told. The other is a person who needs to fight dirty just to exist and I’m not sure that Timmy has that in him. Which is a good thing, because if being an absolute lying manipulative merkin is necessary to survive in politics, then Tim’s better off out of there.
 
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I can't get through the paywall to the article yet, but found one link to it where the headline says Mannah rejected the approach...

So it might all just be the Libs being desperate to try and find anything (e.g. Eels links) they think might randomly boost their candidate and avoid them losing the seat? Odds are there's probably someone who the party members think would do the best job/has the support of the local branch, but is the "wrong faction" etc for the LNP leadership to support?
 

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Free speech ~ It's a can of worms. Or is it ?




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Can the right to freedom of opinion and expression be limited?​


Derogation
Under article 4 of the ICCPR, countries may take measures derogating from certain of their obligations under the Covenant, including the right to freedom of opinion and expression 'in time of public emergency which threatens the life of the nation and the existence of which is officially proclaimed'. Such measures may only be taken 'to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, provided that such measures are not inconsistent with their other obligations under international law and do not involve discrimination solely on the ground of race, colour, sex, language, religion or social origin'.

Limitation
In addition, under article 19(3) freedom of expression may be limited as provided for by law and when necessary to protect the rights or reputations of others, national security, public order, or public health or morals. Limitations must be prescribed by legislation necessary to achieve the desired purpose and proportionate to the need on which the limitation is predicated.

Rights of reputation of others
In a case which involved a complaint about a law prohibiting denial of the holocaust, the UN Human Rights Committee stated that the restriction of the complainant's freedom of expression was permissible as it was necessary for respect of the rights and reputations of others.

National security
The national security limitation would justify prohibitions on transmission of information, including 'official secrets', which would adversely affect the security of the nation, provided the prohibition is reasonable, is effective to protect national security, and restricts freedom of expression no more than is necessary to protect national security.

Public order
'Public order' is understood to mean the rules which ensure the peaceful and effective functioning of society. The limitation in article 19(3) would justify prohibitions on speech that may incite crime, violence or mass panic, provided the prohibition is reasonable, is effective to protect public order, and restricts freedom of expression no more than is necessary to protect public order.

Public health

The public health limitation has not been tested before the Human Rights Committee.

Public morals
The Human Rights Committee has stated that there is no universally applicable standard for what constitutes public morality. A restriction on certain pornographic material, for example pornographic material depicting minors, would be an example of a limitation on freedom of expression based on public morality. In Australia, the National Classification Scheme is designed to provide consumers with information about publications, films and computer games, to allow them to make informed decisions about appropriate entertainment material for themselves and their children. The Scheme is based on the following principles:

  • adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want
  • minors should be protected from material likely to harm or disturb them
  • everyone should be protected from exposure to unsolicited material that they find offensive
  • the need to take account of community concerns about depictions that condone or incite violence, particularly sexual violence, and the portrayal of persons in a demeaning manner.
 

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The USA is a joke country, surely?

I mean, it cannot possibly be a real thing?

A gun in every home - oh, some innocent school kids got shot? More guns in schools!

Nah, don't wear a helmet when you ride your bike

Nah, don't wear a seatbelt when you drive your car

Oh, you're pregnant after a horrific sexual assault? Keep the baby


FMD... It's the Mr. Bean of countries...
 

Gronk

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The USA is a joke country, surely?

I mean, it cannot possibly be a real thing?

A gun in every home - oh, some innocent school kids got shot? More guns in schools!

Nah, don't wear a helmet when you ride your bike

Nah, don't wear a seatbelt when you drive your car

Oh, you're pregnant after a horrific sexual assault? Keep the baby


FMD... It's the Mr. Bean of countries...
I don't know what you are concerned about.

 
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