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hindy111

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Absolutely.

However:

* we had a mass shooting, so the government banned guns

* our government pumps millions of dollars into healthcare every year

* our government doesn't mandate that having abortions is illegal, often at the cost of one (sometimes, two) lives

* students in Australia can generally point out Australia on a map


Australia has its issues, but the USA is a joke country.


I think many Australians have head in sand and don't understand how we are able to have our great lives but. And we are able to use our methods with such a small population.

If our population hit 100 million we won't be living like we do. At the moment we need x amount of resources and exports to sell to make us all live ok and let x amount of brown peoples in to do the shit work.
Majority of us have it pretty good.

Think what happens once our population is 3 or 4 times the amount. How many more immigrants will we need to bring in and how much more resources will we need to sell to keep us all living comfortably?

America has so much unrest cause there is so many people without money,

Plenty of dickhead Aussies to. And plenty of smart Amercians. I dont get the bit hate towards the general American and this view they are all dumb.
 

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I think many Australians have head in sand and don't understand how we are able to have our great lives but. And we are able to use our methods with such a small population.

If our population hit 100 million we won't be living like we do. At the moment we need x amount of resources and exports to sell to make us all live ok and let x amount of brown peoples in to do the shit work.
Majority of us have it pretty good.

Think what happens once our population is 3 or 4 times the amount. How many more immigrants will we need to bring in and how much more resources will we need to sell to keep us all living comfortably?

America has so much unrest cause there is so many people without money,

Plenty of dickhead Aussies to. And plenty of smart Amercians. I dont get the bit hate towards the general American and this view they are all dumb.

The USA has its share of difficulties, to be fair. A large population is one of them.

But that is offset somewhat by their economy - they're a wealthy nation.

In my opinion, one of the USA's biggest problems as a nation, is that American politicians are afraid to buck trends that they've been putting into place for centuries.

Rational nations would see that they have a huge problem with gun culture, and make a difficult decision to mitigate that - instead, through a combination of being too afraid to upset the powerful gun lobby groups, and and being too afraid to upset the ignorant American population that cries "It's our right to have guns!", they focus that energy elsewhere, and school kids continue to get killed in senseless shootings.

When people have tried to make changes (such as Obama), it has been met with such stiff opposition, that genuine change could not be effected.

The USA's military expenditure is US $750 billion; for comparison, China (with 3 times the population of the USA), spends US$237 billion in their military (source: world population review.com).

In 2020, the USA spent US $11,945 per person on healthcare (or US $4.18 trillion) (health system tracker.org). That was US $4,000 higher per person that any other high-income nation. Australia, meanwhile, spent AUS $83.5 billion on on hospitals, and AUS $66.9 billion on primary healthcare (aihw.gov.au).

So, aside from the population differences, why the disparity?

Way smarter people than me have discussed it, in terms that I can't understand - but I think it boils down to culture.

The USA perpetuates this idea that they are the greatest nation on the planet, and that they are the world's peacekeepers, and it's in their best interests to keep these ideas alive - the war machine generates a lot of money, after all, and extracting blind patriotism from your populace means they effectively turn a blind eye to the issues that are present in their nation.

The USA is desperate for a leader with real leadership - someone who can buck the trend, not tow the line, and make meaningful change, even after upsetting people.

Until then, they will continue to be an laughingstock, imo.
 

hindy111

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And how many Aussies will mock Americans for saying they live in the greatest country in the world yet how many Aussies travel and bang on we are the best country to live in. I feel like we are constantly being told how great a country we are. I'm not suggesting they we aren't but it's hypocritical
 

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Old mate is not sure about tomorrow (today?) cos he gets fed disinformation from the deep state, but huge if true.

 

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A cooker bashed Nancy Pelosi’s husband with a hammer in his own home. Is in for emergency brain surgery.




Not the first time however.

 

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And how many Aussies will mock Americans for saying they live in the greatest country in the world yet how many Aussies travel and bang on we are the best country to live in. I feel like we are constantly being told how great a country we are. I'm not suggesting they we aren't but it's hypocritical

I don't think this is the best country on Earth, but it's a for damn sure better than the USA.

Universal health care, kids can go to school without fear of being shot to pieces, women can choose to abort if that is their decision (just recently in the USA, there was a case where a woman was raped, fell pregnant, and was forced to keep the baby, due to the USA's backwards abortion laws)....

Every nation has issues, but the USA tries to pretend it is the bees' knees, and its systematic oppression and brainwashing of its people is beyond laughable.

Not to mention the number of black people being killed by police still to this day.

The USA is a joke. It has deep-seated issues that will require genuine leadership to fix - and we saw how they respond to genuine leaders while Obama was in charge...
 

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Much of the problems in the US stem from the way their democracy works. Between voting being optional, and not as easy to do in a lot of places as it should be, people need to be motivated to vote.

That's led to the kind of politics they have where it's far more viable to cater to the extremes and rile up voters to get them to the polls. The extreme partisan divide on issues suits both the GOP and the Democrats, it gets out the vote.

Then you have a court system with lifetime political appointees that has become a proxy for legislative change.

To top it off, it's pretty clear in all sorts of ways that moneyed interests get far to much say. This of course is a problem for most if not all democracies, but in the US it's amplified because there are many very well resourced moneyed interests.

Probably most contentiously I'd say there really isn't a viable left in the US, the Democrats are by no means leftist ( they're socially progressive, not leftists ) and the GOP is borderline batshit crazy right by comparison to our right here. What that means is the clash of ideas happens around a more right leaning individualistic perspective, there's no real political voice for the collective, so f**k you I got mine is more the narrative than that of the common good.
 

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Social media is now controlling the world in a way. Atleast helping to shape the way peoples minds think.
So China owns Tik Dik
Musk owns Tweet tweet
And Zuchnuts owns Istanbul

So how does one not get all mixed up from their true self listening to these turds.
Simple tune out.
 

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The uncomfortable flip-side to Gina Rinehart hatred​

There’s an uncomfortable truth behind the high-profile fallout between Australian netball and Gina Rinehart, according to some First Nations leaders.


Netball: Netball Australia's financial future is in peril after mining company Hancock pulled a $15 million sponsorship deal.


There’s an uncomfortable truth behind the high-profile fallout between Australian netball and Gina Rinehart, according to some First Nations leaders.
Netball Australia was dealt a major financial blow after billionaire Rinehart’s mining company Hancock Prospecting pulled the plug on a $15 million sponsorship deal.
The crippling financial blow came after revelations Diamonds players had concerns about wearing a team uniform that included sponsorship branding from Mrs Rinehart’s company.
This was due to comments made by Rinehart’s father Lang Hancock, who infamously suggested in 1984 Indigenous Australians should be sterilised to “breed themselves out” in coming years.
Businesswoman Gina Rinehart has copped backlash for pulling millions in sponsorship for Netball Australia. Picture: Hancock Prospecting

Businesswoman Gina Rinehart has copped backlash for pulling millions in sponsorship for Netball Australia. Picture: Hancock Prospecting
While plenty, including the likes of Australian Boxing royalty Anthony Mundine, have slammed Mrs Rinehart’s actions, some First Nations leaders say her support for Australia’s Indigenous community more broadly has been invaluable.
Former chairman of the Coalition government’s Indigenous Advisory Council, Nyunggai Warren Mundine, tasked those “b**ching” about the fallout to put their money where their mouth is and fork out for Netball Australia by other means.
“[Lisa Wilkinson] and Peter [Ford] got a few bucks,” he tweeted, responding to the two journalists.

Nyunggai Warren Mundine said critics need to put their money where their mouth is. Picture: Tim Hunter.
Wilkinson recently took an on-air swipe at Mrs Rinehart, refuting claims from the miner that sport and politics can be separated.
“Donate it to Netball Australia,” Mr Mundine continued
 

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“In fact, all the people b**ching and complaining about Gina Rinehart here, put your money where your mouth/tweeter is.
“I reckon with all the whinging here; you could easily raise more than $15m. And even I can support that.”
Another to praise Mrs Rinehart for her contributions to Indigenous Australians was Clinton Wolf, managing director of National Indigenous Times and non-executive director of Madalah LTD, a not-for-profit that offers secondary and tertiary education scholarships for Indigenous children in Western Australia.
He argued that Mrs Rinehart had let her actions do the talking over the years.
In an op-ed published by the National Indigenous Times, Mr Wolf detailed in length how significant Mrs Rinehart’s funding was to Madalah and other Indigenous organisations.
“Madalah is chronically underfunded, due in part to the Western Australian Government continually refusing to provide any funding which is ironic given they have reaped a record $11 billion budget surplus in the last two years due in no small part to the mining industry,” he wrote.

Clinton Wolf went in to bat for Mrs Rinehart in a recent opinion piece in the National Indigenous Times.
“If it wasn’t for the Federal Government providing some funding as a result of decisions made by the former Federal Minister for Indigenous Affairs Nigel Scullion and current Minister Linda Burney, the future of Madalah and the exceptional service and support it delivers would have been bleak at best.
“It was because of these reasons, the Board of Madalah made an unprecedented and absolutely necessary decision to approach WA Industry about providing ongoing funding in a desperate bid to secure as many Indigenous scholarships for prospective students as it possibly could.
“The Madalah Board’s decision ended up being correct because when it comes to supporting Indigenous education In Western Australia, it is Industry that has stepped up to the plate to address the widening funding shortfall.”
Mr Wolf said Rinehart’s Roy Hill Community Foundation developed the Hanrine Futures Program, approaching Madalah to partner with them to secure scholarships.
“The Roy Hill Community Foundation quickly committed to a multi-year, multimillion-dollar funding arrangement to ensure that many Indigenous kids could now have the opportunity they so desperately needed.” he continued.
“The Roy Hill Community Foundation’s Hanrine Futures Program funded by the Hancock Group of companies will provide long-term scholarships as well as training, work experience and internships through to employment.”
“Did Madalah agonise over partnering with Mrs Rinehart and her companies? Absolutely not.”
“Madalah is proud to say that Mrs Gina Rinehart’s companies are among Madalah’s most important sponsors and supporters.”

Australian Diamonds player Donnell Wallam is the third Indigenous player to play on Australia’s national netball team.
Mr Wolf took umbrage with links being made between Gina Rinehart and her late father, Lang Hancock’s past comments about Indigenous people.
It is said Mr Hancock’s unsavoury comments from the 1980s about sterilising Aboriginal people was a driver behind Indigenous player Donnell Wallam’s hesitance to wear the company’s logo.
“Since when do we judge someone because of who their parents are or were or what they said?” Mr Wolf said.
“What people perceive about someone is often the exact opposite of who that person actually is.
“Madalah’s experience has been that Mrs Rinehart is a kind and generous person who genuinely cares about Madalah and its Indigenous students.
“Mrs Rinehart should be applauded for her generous sponsorship of Netball Australia, Madalah and a host of other very worthy causes that desperately need financial support, which she supports without fanfare.
“While others have criticised her from the sidelines, she does deeds with a good heart. Actions always speak louder than words.”
Senator Nampijinpa Jacinta Price is another Indigenous leader to support Mrs Rinehart’s move to pull funding. Picture: Monique Harmer

Senator Nampijinpa Jacinta Price is another Indigenous leader to support Mrs Rinehart’s move to pull funding. Picture: Monique Harmer
Indigenous Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price was another Indigenous leader to back Ms Rinehart’s decision, labelling Netball Australia’s response “utterly ridiculous”.
“It’s absolutely ridiculous that there’s this notion that it’s okay now days, to judge individuals on the basis of what their mother, father, uncle, aunty, somebody who their related too, did,” she told Sky News on Monday night.
“If that was the case, there would be a lot of people, Indigenous people included, that we would all look down upon because of someone else’s actions or behaviours.
“It’s utterly ridiculous that this ever occurred.”
Mr Price said Ms Rinehart’s contributions to Indigenous Australia “deserved respect”.
“She (Gina) has supported Indigenous Australians across a number of various ways … and she’s been extremely generous because she cares about the welfare of Indigenous Australians,” she said.
“To turn around and decide ‘oh hang on a second, no I don’t want to wear this because I am choosing to be upset by comments made by somebody else related however many years ago’ … it’s ridiculous.”
As for Ms Price’s thoughts on Netball Australia, she didn’t hold back.
“Unless you’ve got a cool few million in your back pocket to support your sporting code, your woke sense of self-importance should be your private opinion and your private opinion only,” she said on Facebook.
Mrs Rinehart’s venture Hancock Prospecting has a history of supporting initiatives for Indigenous Australians

Mrs Rinehart’s venture Hancock Prospecting has a history of supporting initiatives for Indigenous Australians
“Sporting codes, corporates and society, in general, need to grow a spine and stop pandering to self-righteous individuals on the basis saying ‘No’ to their selfish demands just might attract accusations of racism or bigotry.”
The miner claims its contributions to Indigenous Australians total over $300m over a broad range of areas.
“Initiatives that promote the health and wellbeing of Indigenous Australians, fund services in remote and rural communities, encourage participation in education and art, are funded by Hancock and Roy Hill, and many other industry participants,” A company statement said.
“Mining is making a real difference to the people where we operate with Hancock and Roy Hill having contributed well in excess of $300M to Indigenous Australians in the form of royalty payments over the past seven years alone.

 

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Hancock and Roy Hill having contributed well in excess of $300M to Indigenous Australians in the form of royalty payments over the past seven years alone.

Royalty payments are now charitable, not payments for the resources taken and land used.

This kind of puff piece would be far more credible if it didn't try to tie what is a very normal and everyday business expense to generosity.
 

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Agree. Overrearch in that media statement. I preferred their original statement where they named specific programs. Thought that was quite strong. I might reach out to Gina and see if she needs any external affairs support.
 

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Agree. Overrearch in that media statement. I preferred their original statement where they named specific programs. Thought that was quite strong. I might reach out to Gina and see if she needs any external affairs support.

Good idea, I'm pretty certain that's come straight outta her PR machine, hence no attribution.
 

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Anyway, I'm just glad the rest of us aren't having to justify what our old man said in 1984. I'd have to have to explain my way out of the suggestion that "the Mortimer boys should be sodomised with a red hot poker".
 

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If Hancock pull their sponsorship for Fremantle Dockers, V'landys should be straight on the phone to them to sign a 10 year sponsorship deal with the NRL, with the last five years to be a sponsorship of a guaranteed Perth Bears.
 

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So clearly we have a couple of people (Twiz and Bandy) who aren’t Gina fans and I get that. My personal experiences with one of her companies on the east coast weren’t pleasant.

But has she done anything wrong on this Netball issue?
 

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