OT: Current Affairs and Politics

[Chipmunk]

So, can any of you Labor "lovers" justify the Fed's decision to spend $368 BILLION on 8 Subs and the infrastructure to maintain them.,
I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the comments of the greatest Prime Minister ever, Paul Keating and his views today on this decision. He absolutely smashed them. And he is the most Labor of them all.

$368 Billion!!! FFS.

That could be spent on -

- 200 new schools @ $500 million each = $100 Billion.
- 200 new hospitals @ $500 million each = $100 Billion
- Sydney - Melbourne High Speed Rail = $100 - $150 Billion

That still leaves another $100 - $150 Billion to be spent.
I understand that we need a defence budget, but this is just seriously pissing away taxpayers money.

The Commonwealth doesn't build and/or own hospitals and schools.
A fast train trip from Sydney to Melbourne will cost more than flying.

 

[Twizzle]

The Commonwealth doesn't build and/or own hospitals and schools.
A fast train trip from Sydney to Melbourne will cost more than flying.

well, according to Utopia, it wasn't feasible

 

[Bandwagon]

So, can any of you Labor "lovers" justify the Fed's decision to spend $368 BILLION on 8 Subs and the infrastructure to maintain them.,
I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the comments of the greatest Prime Minister ever, Paul Keating and his views today on this decision. He absolutely smashed them. And he is the most Labor of them all.

$368 Billion!!! FFS.

That could be spent on -

- 200 new schools @ $500 million each = $100 Billion.
- 200 new hospitals @ $500 million each = $100 Billion
- Sydney - Melbourne High Speed Rail = $100 - $150 Billion

That still leaves another $100 - $150 Billion to be spent.
I understand that we need a defence budget, but this is just seriously pissing away taxpayers money.

Firstly this is initiated by the Coalition, they scrapped the French deal, and set us on this path. Prior to that you could go back over another decade or two with kicking the can down the road on subs, it's really been an area where both parties have contributed to a clusterf**k.

The problem now for the current government is they take this deal, or can it and start the entire process again, meanwhile the Collins class just keeps on getting older.

Having said all that, I tend to agree with Keating, in the extremely unlikely event China decided to invade Australia, it has to be by sea, and not exactly by stealth as you'd be talking quite the flotilla, so as he says missile systems and air power are a pretty effective deterrent there, and a hell of a lot cheaper, and it's tech we can deal with locally, pretty much right away.

The advantage of subs though is in protecting shipping, being so reliant as we are on imports, like even for fuel, any attack on Australia would involve a blockade of some nature, and that can happen well out of range of land based missiles or planes, that's where a sub you just can't see is heavily advantageous, cause you'll never know if it's there or not, so like a mobile speed camera, it's more of a deterrent than its numbers suggest.

So from a defence point of view, you're not spending that money on hospitals or schools as an alternative, but you could be spending it on industry in order to make us more self sufficient, and hence less reliant on imported goods.

Or you could ignore all the talk about either this or that, and realise that we're funded by debt anyways and despite the recent blowouts we're still way short of being the basket case that other nations are and so have plenty of headroom to do all sorts of one off spending. Even big numbers like this.

 

[Bandwagon]

The Commonwealth doesn't build and/or own hospitals and schools.

Technically correct, but in reality the Feds do stump up the coin for specific projects, so yeah they do indeed fund the building of schools and hospitals.

 

[Gronk]

They just found out another Morrison secret appointment.

Karen Andrews somehow finds a way to shift blame Albo. LOL.

 

[the phantom menace]

Came across this today, and thought this thread is the appropriate place to park it - ready for next time someone tries to use the lazy and simplistic term in their posts.

 

[the phantom menace]

Only 7 more days... thanks f**k.

Saw this in my travels, and had a laugh.

 

[Gronk]

 

[the phantom menace]

Forgot those f**kers even exist, and still get a smattering of loony votes.

 

[Gronk]

Yeah I don’t get it. Small pee pee, daddy didn’t take you to the circus? Surely there are other ways to express your anxieties than kill helpless elephants or giraffes.

 

[Gronk]

I’m plopping this here before anyone plops their counter plopaganda that trophy hunting is good for something.

Trophy hunting's contribution to conservation? Not much

Nearly a year after an American hunter killed Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe, a study finds fault with wildlife protection claims

www.cbsnews.com

 

[hineyrulz]

It’s pretty f**king f**ked, rich men with small dicks mostly.

 

[GongPanther]

NASA Snake-Like Robot Could Be Used for Tunnel Warfare

Obviously off topic, but an interesting story.

 

[Suitman]

Yeah I don’t get it. Small pee pee, daddy didn’t take you to the circus? Surely there are other ways to express your anxieties than kill helpless elephants or giraffes.

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Giraffes? Fair dinkum!!
Are you for real?
Where is the sicko pleasure in killing such a placid animal which is such an easy target?

SOME humans should be eliminated from this earth.
Those last two photos sicken me.
Actually, all the photos do, but the bottom two pictures churn my stomach.

 

[Gary Gutful]

NASA Snake-Like Robot Could Be Used for Tunnel Warfare

Obviously off topic, but an interesting story.

Exobiology Extant Life Surveyor (EELS) principal investigator Masahiro Ono recently said the military could find the EELS problematic because of their tendency to shit the bed under pressure but they are working hard to create an improved robot coach.

 

[hindy111]

Giraffes? Fair dinkum!!
Are you for real?
Where is the sicko pleasure in killing such a placid animal which is such an easy target?

SOME humans should be eliminated from this earth.
Those last two photos sicken me.
Actually, all the photos do, but the bottom two pictures churn my stomach.

It's f**king weird

 

[Suitman]

It's f**king weird

It's not just weird, it is bizarre, and sick and offensive and cruel and basically, beyond comprehension.

Yet, these people are running for a job in our parliament and want to represent the population.
Why don't the media call out these f**king sickos?

 

[the phantom menace]

Article about supposed key issue in the Parramatta electorate.

'There's no rules whatsoever': Voters hit hard by rental crisis could return key seat to Labor at NSW election

The key Western Sydney seat lost by Labor in 2011, has the second-highest proportion of renting households in the state, for voters under stress it will be front of mind at the ballot box.

www.abc.net.au

 

[the phantom menace]

And about how both parties have been campaigning more heavily there than anywhere else... bell-weather seat?

We tracked where Dominic Perrottet and Chris Minns have campaigned — one seat stood out

Following the Liberal and Labor leaders' movements this month has revealed one Sydney battleground seat is getting the most attention, as people in NSW prepare to head to the polls next Saturday.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Soren Lorenson]

Yeah I don’t get it. Small pee pee, daddy didn’t take you to the circus? Surely there are other ways to express your anxieties than kill helpless elephants or giraffes.

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Is that Glenn McGrath? (top photo)